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Post by Minormorris64 on Feb 18, 2019 11:12:24 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 18, 2019 11:22:39 GMT 1
I would be surprised on one hand that they would have the courage to do such a thing, it's a huge decision and a huge risk. On the other hand the importance of Brexit can not be underestimated and clearly a fair few aren't happy with that way he has managed that. I'm just in the middle of reading "How To Lose A Referendum: The Definitive Story of Why The UK Voted for Brexit", if you are Labour and support the UK remaining in the EU then the information regarding Corbyn's efforts at the time of the referendum aren't good reading. Crazy, crazy days when it comes to UK politics...
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Post by venceremos on Feb 18, 2019 11:31:33 GMT 1
Seven have resigned apparently.
It was coming. Labour and Remain have struggled to stay on the same side.
Personally, I welcome it and hope there'll be Tories doing likewise. British politics needs the two party system to break up.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Feb 18, 2019 11:33:48 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 18, 2019 11:52:30 GMT 1
Ms Berger said: "I cannot remain in the party that I have today come to the sickening conclusion is anti-Semitic. "I am leaving behind a culture of bullying, bigotry and intimidation."I very much doubt she's seen anything yet, I suspect they'll be after her more than ever now. By the by, does this now force by-elections?
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Feb 18, 2019 12:04:31 GMT 1
Ms Berger said: "I cannot remain in the party that I have today come to the sickening conclusion is anti-Semitic. "I am leaving behind a culture of bullying, bigotry and intimidation."I very much doubt she's seen anything yet, I suspect they'll be after her more than ever now. By the by, does this now force by-elections? No it doesn’t. Spiced rum.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 18, 2019 12:13:18 GMT 1
Ms Berger said: "I cannot remain in the party that I have today come to the sickening conclusion is anti-Semitic. "I am leaving behind a culture of bullying, bigotry and intimidation."I very much doubt she's seen anything yet, I suspect they'll be after her more than ever now. By the by, does this now force by-elections? Spiced rum. Oh I dunno, not necessarily a bad thing...
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 18, 2019 12:19:05 GMT 1
Quite frankly, with the country hurtling towards the biggest chaos in its history, this is the last bluddy thing we need from our oh so responsible MPs.
For goodness sake, get Brexit sorted out and then continue with your squabbles. Both our major parties are a laughingstock at the moment.
Like with the football I despair.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 18, 2019 12:29:30 GMT 1
Ms Berger said: "I cannot remain in the party that I have today come to the sickening conclusion is anti-Semitic. "I am leaving behind a culture of bullying, bigotry and intimidation."I very much doubt she's seen anything yet, I suspect they'll be after her more than ever now. By the by, does this now force by-elections? No, we elect the MP not their party. That was how Ukip managed to have any MPs. They can't come after Berger because she's outside the party now and, as she'd been threatened with deselection, I expect it's been pretty rough for her already. As a Labour supporter, I have mixed feelings. I'm saddened that the party's going through this and it might be the end of Labour's realistic hopes of achieving a majority government for the foreseeable future. On the other hand, I'm pretty disillusioned with the current Labour leadership and it feels like this needed to happen. Within Parliament, it probably won't change the balance much at all. The seven will sit as independents for now but a new party may emerge. Either way, they're going to be part of the centre left grouping. I hope something similar happens within the Tory party too - either a far right or a centrist breakaway, depending on which faction feels most alienated by whatever it is that May's doing. I suspect there's a vast number of people who don't feel represented by either of the two main parties at the moment and who are tired of the polarisation of our politics.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 18, 2019 12:35:22 GMT 1
Quite frankly, with the country hurtling towards the biggest chaos in its history, this is the last bluddy thing we need from our oh so responsible MPs. For goodness sake, get Brexit sorted out and then continue with your squabbles. Both our major parties are a laughingstock at the moment. Like with the football I despair. I don't think these are mere squabbles, they're fundamental differences about brexit and anti-Semitism. The government has failed to deliver anything on brexit and Parliament's enforced party lines haven't enabled a way around that to be found. I think this sort of break up of the whipped two party system is absolutely what the country needs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 12:36:32 GMT 1
Wasn't Umunna touted as a candidate before Corbyn became leader and said he was not interested for personal reasons? Shot himself in the foot !!! I have little sympathy for this turncoat.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 18, 2019 12:36:45 GMT 1
This is corporate PR and marketing politics. Next up: a party name. more "high profile" recruits, policy reveals, and lots of hype, all timed to do maximum damage.
The individuals involved have a finite but large quantity of seed capital from their puppet masters. If they have impact then they will get more funding. If not, then losses are low, strings will be cut and they will be dropped.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 18, 2019 12:37:29 GMT 1
This is corporate PR and marketing politics. Next up: a party name. more "high profile" recruits, policy reveals, and lots of hype, all timed to do maximum damage. The individuals involved have a finite but large quantity of seed capital from their puppet masters. If they have impact then they will get more funding. If not, then losses are low, strings will be cut and they will be dropped. Puppet masters?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 12:38:38 GMT 1
This is corporate PR and marketing politics. Next up: a party name. more "high profile" recruits, policy reveals, and lots of hype, all timed to do maximum damage. The individuals involved have a finite but large quantity of seed capital from their puppet masters. If they have impact then they will get more funding. If not, then losses are low, strings will be cut and they will be dropped. Got Mandelson written all over it.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 18, 2019 12:54:18 GMT 1
Ms Berger said: "I cannot remain in the party that I have today come to the sickening conclusion is anti-Semitic. "I am leaving behind a culture of bullying, bigotry and intimidation."I very much doubt she's seen anything yet, I suspect they'll be after her more than ever now. By the by, does this now force by-elections? They can't come after Berger because she's outside the party now and, as she'd been threatened with deselection, I expect it's been pretty rough for her already. I hope you are right but I'm really not too sure, first thoughts was that she will now be targeted for leaving the party. I wouldn't think that she was outside the party makes a lot of difference for those within the Labour ranks who are happy to dish out abuse. This doesn't look good on Corbyn and Labour and for that it might well be reason enough to continue the abuse. I guess time will tell. As for your thoughts, its clear you are not alone in that. I think Corbyn currently has the lowest approval rating ever for an opposition leader and that has in part has been driven by those in Labour who unhappy with his approach to Brexit. As for this... I suspect there's a vast number of people who don't feel represented by either of the two main parties at the moment and who are tired of the polarisation of our politics.
Absolutely.
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 18, 2019 12:58:48 GMT 1
Quite frankly, with the country hurtling towards the biggest chaos in its history, this is the last bluddy thing we need from our oh so responsible MPs. For goodness sake, get Brexit sorted out and then continue with your squabbles. Both our major parties are a laughingstock at the moment. Like with the football I despair. I don't think these are mere squabbles, they're fundamental differences about brexit and anti-Semitism. The government has failed to deliver anything on brexit and Parliament's enforced party lines haven't enabled a way around that to be found. I think this sort of break up of the whipped two party system is absolutely what the country needs. I absolutely agree with you and perhaps squabbles wasn’t quite the right word as of course any sort of anti semitism can never be petty. I just feel that until Brexit is sorted we need everyone to try and pull together as best they can. We have a disunited government and the opposition disuniting as well isn’t going to help us at all. I agree with your first post on this thread as well.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Feb 18, 2019 13:34:23 GMT 1
Brave decision which may lead to them losing their seats next election, but don’t blame them at all. Only under Corbyn, could Labour still be 7 points behind the shambles of this Govt, in the last poll.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 18, 2019 13:37:05 GMT 1
Hopefully this will be the end of Corbyn the terrorist.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 18, 2019 13:48:37 GMT 1
Hopefully this will be the end of Corbyn the terrorist. A message from The Voice of Reason there ….
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 18, 2019 13:56:31 GMT 1
Hopefully this will be the end of Corbyn the terrorist. A message from The Voice of Reason there …. He associates with Hamas, the IRA and numerous other groups. He is a terrorist sympathiser and has dragged the Labour party in such a terrible direction that some long standing MPs are leaving stating the party is inherently racist and anti-Semitic.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 18, 2019 13:59:52 GMT 1
This is corporate PR and marketing politics. Next up: a party name. more "high profile" recruits, policy reveals, and lots of hype, all timed to do maximum damage. The individuals involved have a finite but large quantity of seed capital from their puppet masters. If they have impact then they will get more funding. If not, then losses are low, strings will be cut and they will be dropped. Do feel that's a little unfair considering the reasons given for leaving. These are not trivial matters.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 18, 2019 14:17:12 GMT 1
A message from The Voice of Reason there …. He associates with Hamas, the IRA and numerous other groups. He is a terrorist sympathiser and has dragged the Labour party in such a terrible direction that some long standing MPs are leaving stating the party is inherently racist and anti-Semitic. Whilst I'm sure the revelation that he eats cold beans isn't going to cause much of a stir I'm pretty sure that there was also something in this new book just released about Corbyn spending nights getting drunk with friends and singing IRA songs. It's one thing to have sympathy for a cause, quite another to support proscribed terrorists organisations. And I think it's clear he does, or at least did. And yes, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter but in this case I would think the vast majority of people in the UK deem them the former rather than the latter. And that sort of thing doesn't tend to go down well with a good few... His past was always going to come back and bite him on the arris whenever he found himself at the forefront of the party (which in all honestly I don't think he ever thought he would be in the position he now finds himself).
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Post by venceremos on Feb 18, 2019 14:24:18 GMT 1
A message from The Voice of Reason there …. He associates with Hamas, the IRA and numerous other groups. He is a terrorist sympathiser and has dragged the Labour party in such a terrible direction that some long standing MPs are leaving stating the party is inherently racist and anti-Semitic. Well, various governments over the years, including Thatcher's, have "associated" with the IRA and other groups. That's the only way peace ever comes about and it doesn't make anyone a "terrorist". I'm dissatisfied with a few things about Corbyn but the nonsense about him being a terrorist or terrorist sympathiser isn't one of them. There's clearly an issue with anti-Semitism in the Labour party but I don't believe Corbyn is anti-Semitic and he certainly isn't a racist. However, there's a wider national issue regarding anti-Semitism and racism. Labour tends to wash its laundry in public where other parties don't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 14:25:35 GMT 1
These revelations were well known and publicised before labour took 40% of the national vote share and remain in that area ever since.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 18, 2019 14:59:44 GMT 1
Quite frankly, with the country hurtling towards the biggest chaos in its history, this is the last bluddy thing we need from our oh so responsible MPs. For goodness sake, get Brexit sorted out and then continue with your squabbles. Both our major parties are a laughingstock at the moment. Like with the football I despair. Ohi don’t know. Mass resignations could be the best way to stop Brexit, start again and do it properly....
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 18, 2019 15:01:59 GMT 1
i have not felt represented by the politicians for some time, shallow self serving egoistical and rushing to get there faces in the gravy train,is my view on most of them on all shades of the political spectrum.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 18, 2019 15:21:01 GMT 1
Quite frankly, with the country hurtling towards the biggest chaos in its history, this is the last bluddy thing we need from our oh so responsible MPs. For goodness sake, get Brexit sorted out and then continue with your squabbles. Both our major parties are a laughingstock at the moment. Like with the football I despair. Ohi don’t know. Mass resignations could be the best way to stop Brexit, start again and do it properly.... Good god, Brexit is happening. You've had 23 months to get your head round it.
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 18, 2019 15:21:30 GMT 1
Quite frankly, with the country hurtling towards the biggest chaos in its history, this is the last bluddy thing we need from our oh so responsible MPs. For goodness sake, get Brexit sorted out and then continue with your squabbles. Both our major parties are a laughingstock at the moment. Like with the football I despair. Ohi don’t know. Mass resignations could be the best way to stop Brexit, start again and do it properly.... Good point that.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 18, 2019 15:26:29 GMT 1
Ohi don’t know. Mass resignations could be the best way to stop Brexit, start again and do it properly.... Good god, Brexit is happening. You've had 23 months to get your head round it. Just suggesting start again (proper negotiations) and do it properly ( get a deal done that’s good for all)... not suggesting changing the outcome of any vote which didn’t include any timescales....
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Post by WATR on Feb 18, 2019 17:04:32 GMT 1
I see the new centrist party (that's not actually officially a party) is off to a flier as Angela Smith is forced to apologise for referring to ethnic minorities as people with a "funny tinge" hours after the launch. Truly incredible scenes.
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