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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 1:15:27 GMT 1
How many more threads on this matter. Paul Hurst will NEVER return to this football club, end of story
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Post by NDG on Feb 17, 2019 1:38:44 GMT 1
Yeah we will just ride it out, can't wait till the 20/21 season should be great under Ricketts with him knowing the none league game like the back of his hand, he has a brilliant 4 months experience at that level so it's all about planning for the future. I think he is the wrong manager for us. I just think it is too late to do anything about it. He was the wrong appointment and I do not know why we appointed someone so inexperienced for a relegation dogfight. I’ve seen two good , experienced manager’s in Turner and Mellon end up completely out of their depth in League One and we decided to go for Sam “6 months” Ricketts? We are screwed but I just hope Ricketts can get something out of these lads. I agree, I don't blame Ricketts for coming here when the club called for him but I do ask what the hell was BC and RW thinking, we could all see he wasn't going to be the Paul Hurst clone the club craved so much, it's back fired and if by some miracle we do stay up I still think we need too go all out next season appointing the right manager as Ricketts isn't good enough. No top 3 club should be going into a relegation dog fight the following season, doesn't matter who's left and who's new, it's just not good enough.
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Post by franthetownfan on Feb 17, 2019 4:42:09 GMT 1
Paul Hurst isn’t allowed because he dared to leave Town for bigger things. Nobody has ever done this before - blind loyalty is the only thing allowed in football. Never mind aspirations or earning more money. If I were him, I wouldn’t come back. Fans always act like they’re completely perfect in football - I get disappointed but the words people used were utterly ridiculous. He is better than and too good for this club.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Feb 17, 2019 7:12:36 GMT 1
So the chairman wanted him back, but Caldwell missus said no. And hurst has said he would come back because of the relationship he had with the chairman.
Can you blame the guy for going? Come from no where to the championship, he and everyone else knew we were a stepping stone, and when a bigger club came he’d be gone.
The regular argument is “it’s the way he left us that hurt” Well.. how could it of been better? Leave us with 6 weeks of the season remaining? To bring a new guy in to have a go at promotion? Or wait 6 weeks after Wembley and eat into a new managers settling in/recruitment time
He gave us our best season for 25 years and those who say if you came back I’m gone.. who do you think you are?! If you’re happy to be mediocre Shrewsbury town, who celebrate avoiding relegation and are happy with a 17th place finish then fair play.
I see it as you can go out with plain Jane, she’s average looking and rubbish in bed, or you can go out with Roxanne, she’s a wild ride and you know she’s gonna hurt you and run off with another man but she’s worth the risk
If he came, again it would be a stepping stone, a rebuild. And and what cost, pay Ricketts off, £130k ?? What will relegation cost us.. much more than that!
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Post by pughywasfree on Feb 17, 2019 7:32:30 GMT 1
The opportunity to get him back was after Askey went but I fear that ship has sailed now. The fact is we didn’t get him back and are we are paying for it now. br] Caldwells 'pride' is clearly important. You seem to have it in for Coldwell. I'd love to know why.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 17, 2019 7:55:53 GMT 1
I don't give two kicks to a monkey's nose what the purists say, but I don't want to be watching league 2 football probably followed by conference football in time. The board stumbled on Hurst and a formula that seemed to work. Askey and Ricketts were and are way out of their depth. For God's sake, do what's right for this football club and get in the bloke that knows how to organise and motivate a team at this level. Ricketts has no more idea than Ratcliffe and I'm not going to sit on the sidelines and watch this farce whilst this clown tries his hand at management. There is a manager out there that is currently out of work and who may be able to salvage something from this dire situation. GET HURST NOW. Otherwise, we will be relegated for sure. Oh, and to those that say they will hand in their season tickets if Hurst comes back - go right ahead and then watch the crowds improve when he injects some steel into the side and we start to win again. You'll all be sitting at home. I want Shrewsbury Town to keep its place in league one thank you very much. So, the worthy brigade can do what they like with their season tickets but my advice to the board would be to do all they can to bring Hurst back. NOW. lets spend money we haven't got bringing back the biggest failure in management this season and the same man who did the dirty on us less than a year ago what do you do next when hurst didn't work ? oh yeah, you said you won't come we really need supporters like you
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Post by salop81 on Feb 17, 2019 8:44:25 GMT 1
Caldwells 'pride' is clearly important. You seem to have it in for Coldwell. I'd love to know why. Caldwell gives it the lip service, his recruitment of managers is s**t, he’s made a mess of this season with his due diligence..!!! ...oh and he got his knickers in a twist when someone in the national press reported Shrews we’re going to pay JA off (this was on the Friday) he denied there was anything in it and was on record at being quite angry about it only to sack JA the following week... He’s a massive whopper and I’ll be happy when he ****s off..!
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Feb 17, 2019 8:48:18 GMT 1
The big rumour at the moment is that Walsall want Paul Hurst as manager !! I can just picture the scenario.....Shrews and Walsall 4th and 5th from bottom and it's the last match of the season. Whoever wins stays up. Arrrrrgh !! It would be nailbiting even if it's a crap game......and probably a sell-out. Nothing like an "exciting" end to the season. 😈😈🤔
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Post by block18shrew on Feb 17, 2019 9:05:43 GMT 1
They will not sack SR as he has just been allowed to bring in 10 new players a couple of weeks ago. We need to accept that the board will give him time to try and bed those players in. For me SR sets his team up in overly complicated ways. Trying to be to clever with formations, and style which results in players passing sidewards too often, or hitting long hopeful balls because the system they are being asked to play is too complicated / badly explained/ above the level of our players / needs more time than we have. He needs to keep it simple, give full backs some cover, let the players play. If the formations he sets out are too complicated for this level how was he setting up his team at Wrexham?....and getting results.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Feb 17, 2019 9:06:48 GMT 1
You seem to have it in for Coldwell. I'd love to know why. Caldwell gives it the lip service, his recruitment of managers is s**t, he’s made a mess of this season with his due diligence..!!! ...oh and he got his knickers in a twist when someone in the national press reported Shrews we’re going to pay JA off (this was on the Friday) he denied there was anything in it and was on record at being quite angry about it only to sack JA the following week... He’s a massive whopper and I’ll be happy when he ****s off..! This
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Post by chestershrew on Feb 17, 2019 9:22:51 GMT 1
They will not sack SR as he has just been allowed to bring in 10 new players a couple of weeks ago. We need to accept that the board will give him time to try and bed those players in. For me SR sets his team up in overly complicated ways. Trying to be to clever with formations, and style which results in players passing sidewards too often, or hitting long hopeful balls because the system they are being asked to play is too complicated / badly explained/ above the level of our players / needs more time than we have. He needs to keep it simple, give full backs some cover, let the players play. If the formations he sets out are too complicated for this level how was he setting up his team at Wrexham?....and getting results. I (fortunately) don’t watch Wrexham, so I don’t have first hand knowledge, but I believe he played a more standard 4-3-3 rather than what he is trying to do with us. However maybe it was more complicated, but he had a pre season to work on it. Or his players at Wrexham were more academic, or defences not as sharp. No idea, but I know it’s not working with us in league 1. I can see what he is trying but it’s not working and exposes us out wide without the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 10:57:20 GMT 1
The big rumour at the moment is that Walsall want Paul Hurst as manager !! I can just picture the scenario.....Shrews and Walsall 4th and 5th from bottom and it's the last match of the season. Whoever wins stays up. Arrrrrgh !! It would be nailbiting even if it's a cr@p game......and probably a sell-out. Nothing like an "exciting" end to the season. 😈😈🤔 That would be pouring even more salt into the gaping wounds. PH goes to Walsall and saves them instead. I think our relegation will be sealed before the last game so no exciting end i’m afraid.
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Post by northwestman on Feb 17, 2019 11:05:21 GMT 1
Someone on the Walsall Board has said that there's no chance that either Hurst or any other established Manager will want to join the Club because of their low budget and the fact that they always do things on the cheap.
Now where have I heard that before?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 17, 2019 11:10:02 GMT 1
So the chairman wanted him back, but Caldwell missus said no. And hurst has said he would come back because of the relationship he had with the chairman. That's certainly what he said wasn't it; no idea what paper it was included in but it was posted on the Town Facebook page. So he was most definitely interested in a return. He would have most certainly have considered it.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 17, 2019 11:12:41 GMT 1
The big rumour at the moment is that Walsall want Paul Hurst as manager !! I can just picture the scenario.....Shrews and Walsall 4th and 5th from bottom and it's the last match of the season. Whoever wins stays up. Arrrrrgh !! It would be nailbiting even if it's a cr@p game......and probably a sell-out. Nothing like an "exciting" end to the season. 😈😈🤔 That would be a nightmare for Town fans. I really don't what that to happen. But strange that considering his success at Town he hasn't yet found another job. Appreciate things didn't go will at Ipswich but looking to what has happened since, that appears to say more about Ipswich than Hurst. He's been out of the game for longer than I would have expected. Anyone but Walsall anyhow...
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 17, 2019 11:16:10 GMT 1
You seem to have it in for Coldwell. I'd love to know why. Caldwell gives it the lip service, his recruitment of managers is s**t, he’s made a mess of this season with his due diligence..!!! ...oh and he got his knickers in a twist when someone in the national press reported Shrews we’re going to pay JA off (this was on the Friday) he denied there was anything in it and was on record at being quite angry about it only to sack JA the following week... He’s a massive whopper and I’ll be happy when he ****s off..! I would think it would be the chairman who has the final say so? As for the Sun story, I suspect what the club were more upset about was the suggestion that they were trying to get out of paying Askey off rather that they weren't looking to do so. I think Caldwell gets a bit of a rum deal from some on here to be honest, I doubt he has the final say on things...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 11:25:28 GMT 1
They will not sack SR as he has just been allowed to bring in 10 new players a couple of weeks ago. We need to accept that the board will give him time to try and bed those players in. For me SR sets his team up in overly complicated ways. Trying to be to clever with formations, and style which results in players passing sidewards too often, or hitting long hopeful balls because the system they are being asked to play is too complicated / badly explained/ above the level of our players / needs more time than we have. He needs to keep it simple, give full backs some cover, let the players play. If the formations he sets out are too complicated for this level how was he setting up his team at Wrexham?....and getting results. The same could be said for John Askey when he was at Macclesfield. Successful in non league is one thing but to then step up to league 1 is something else. It's one heck of a steep learning curve.
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Post by callum on Feb 17, 2019 11:39:37 GMT 1
The big rumour at the moment is that Walsall want Paul Hurst as manager !! I can just picture the scenario.....Shrews and Walsall 4th and 5th from bottom and it's the last match of the season. Whoever wins stays up. Arrrrrgh !! It would be nailbiting even if it's a cr@p game......and probably a sell-out. Nothing like an "exciting" end to the season. 😈😈🤔 That would be a nightmare for Town fans. I really don't what that to happen. But strange that considering his success at Town he hasn't yet found another job. Appreciate things didn't go will at Ipswich but looking to what has happened since, that appears to say more about Ipswich than Hurst. He's been out of the game for longer than I would have expected. Anyone but Walsall anyhow... He certainly doesn't seem to be in a rush to get another job, I wonder if as part of his pay off Ipswich are paying him until he takes on another role?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 11:51:09 GMT 1
The big rumour at the moment is that Walsall want Paul Hurst as manager !! I can just picture the scenario.....Shrews and Walsall 4th and 5th from bottom and it's the last match of the season. Whoever wins stays up. Arrrrrgh !! It would be nailbiting even if it's a cr@p game......and probably a sell-out. Nothing like an "exciting" end to the season. 😈😈🤔 That would be a nightmare for Town fans. I really don't what that to happen. But strange that considering his success at Town he hasn't yet found another job. Appreciate things didn't go will at Ipswich but looking to what has happened since, that appears to say more about Ipswich than Hurst. He's been out of the game for longer than I would have expected. Anyone but Walsall anyhow... PH is no doubt chilling out without the pressure of football management on his shoulders after a reasonable pay off from Ipswich. The reason he's not working is more down to him not jumping back in to the first offer given and to allow himself some time to wait for the right opportunity to come along. The more time passes by at Ipswich the more his stock will rise again as the situation there is more terminal than just his apparent failings. Lambert is certainly not going to keep them up. The fact that he might have considered a return to us is a surprise but was a welcome one as far as fans like me were concerned. Unfortunately it's a 'was' and a 'were' and it didn't happen. Maybe those at the club should've but the knives away and done the right thing by moving heaven and earth to get him back. What's unfolding now is justification in itself as giving the job to someone without the necessary experience is now proving costly and a consequence that could easily been predicted.
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Post by northwestman on Feb 17, 2019 12:16:24 GMT 1
Ipswich seem to have had a similar experience to ourselves with regard to replacing their manager..
Hurst P15 W1 D6 L8 Lambert P18 W2 D5 L11
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Post by wakemanender on Feb 17, 2019 12:35:44 GMT 1
I used the phrase "in Hurst we trust" many times on this board during the tenure of PH. A phrase that now haunts me and will never use again in respect of any manager of this football club.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 17, 2019 12:50:31 GMT 1
You seem to have it in for Coldwell. I'd love to know why. Caldwell gives it the lip service, his recruitment of managers is s**t, he’s made a mess of this season with his due diligence..!!! ...oh and he got his knickers in a twist when someone in the national press reported Shrews we’re going to pay JA off (this was on the Friday) he denied there was anything in it and was on record at being quite angry about it only to sack JA the following week... He’s a massive whopper and I’ll be happy when he ****s off..! What would you have said to the press at that time?
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Post by venceremos on Feb 17, 2019 12:54:05 GMT 1
Someone on the Walsall Board has said that there's no chance that either Hurst or any other established Manager will want to join the Club because of their low budget and the fact that they always do things on the cheap. Now where have I heard that before? From fans of almost every lower league club that doesn’t look to spend money it hasn’t got would be my guess.
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Post by salopian89 on Feb 17, 2019 13:14:50 GMT 1
Something needs changing soon, we are sleepwalking back to League Two without putting up any fight. If we are still witnessing the same rubbish come 5pm after the home game to Wimbledon then we have to seriously consider a change.
Come March, Ricketts will have had his own signings for a full month and in charge since December. You’d expect to see signs of improved performances as a minimum in this time, even if point accumulation is slow at first but performances are argueably getting worse (excluding The FA Cup). Yesterday was horrific.
If a change of manager is to come and if Mr Hurst is the answer then it needs to be seriously considered. If he’s not, then whoever comes next Brian and Roly need to do something different about the selection process - we need experience at this level.
The team selection and tactic of long ball yesterday did not work. Every change made offered nothing new. I’m now resigned to Crawley away.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 18, 2019 15:00:17 GMT 1
Hurst is not interested in a return to our club. Despite the well timed tweet from his wife and other deflection tactics to avoid being in the heat over the Askey lies, many can see through it and know the truth.
The club is being horribly mismanaged from the top down. Time for change.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 15:01:45 GMT 1
Hurst is not interested in a return to our club. Despite the well timed tweet from his wife and other deflection tactics to avoid being in the heat over the Askey lies, many can see through it and know the truth. The club is being horribly mismanaged from the top down. Time for change. Shropshire infowars branch secretary checking in. Thanks for that Martin. I feel illuminated.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Feb 18, 2019 15:27:16 GMT 1
Someone on the Walsall Board has said that there's no chance that either Hurst or any other established Manager will want to join the Club because of their low budget and the fact that they always do things on the cheap. Now where have I heard that before? In my opinion it might be from those recordings you make of your sleep talking.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 18, 2019 15:32:03 GMT 1
Someone on the Walsall Board has said that there's no chance that either Hurst or any other established Manager will want to join the Club because of their low budget and the fact that they always do things on the cheap. Now where have I heard that before? In my opinion it might be from those recordings you make of your sleep talking. Thanks for that Andy, another pointless post.
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Feb 18, 2019 17:00:53 GMT 1
FFS. People need to stop being so childish and moaning every time we lose or draw and start getting behind him and the players.
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Post by blueboy62 on Feb 18, 2019 17:03:43 GMT 1
Caldwell gives it the lip service, his recruitment of managers is s**t, he’s made a mess of this season with his due diligence..!!! ...oh and he got his knickers in a twist when someone in the national press reported Shrews we’re going to pay JA off (this was on the Friday) he denied there was anything in it and was on record at being quite angry about it only to sack JA the following week... He’s a massive whopper and I’ll be happy when he ****s off..! What would you have said to the press at that time? BC had a duty, both legal and moral, to inform JA first of any decision to sack him. It would be outrageous for Askey to find out by reading it in the press or social media. Equally, he could not confirm to The Sun that he was thinking of sacking the manager or discussing compensation. I assume he angrily denied the rumour because whoever leaked the rumour put him in an impossible position. These situations are never easy and I have total sympathy with BC in this matter. Likewise, I would expect BC to appreciate a managers position when deciding to leave us. There's nothing to announce until an official decision has been made.
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