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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 13:15:28 GMT 1
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Post by tvor on Jan 21, 2019 13:22:01 GMT 1
Coyne/Ramsey certainly got a lot more out of what they inherited. It's far from unreasonable to expect Ricketts to be doing better than he is. Have a look at where the opposition that Coyne faced are in the league and then look at the teams Ricketts has faces. An unfair arguement. You need to look more closely into the current form of those teams at the time of coming into the games against us, which is a far better indicator. Many of the teams we've faced during Ricketts time in charge came into those games not on a good run of results.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 21, 2019 15:42:58 GMT 1
Have a look at where the opposition that Coyne faced are in the league and then look at the teams Ricketts has faces. An unfair arguement. You need to look more closely into the current form of those teams at the time of coming into the games against us, which is a far better indicator. Many of the teams we've faced during Ricketts time in charge came into those games not on a good run of results. prior to our game Blackpool had lost there last three home games
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Post by tvor on Jan 21, 2019 15:57:18 GMT 1
That is one example.
When Coventry came to us they were on a six game winless run with four defeats in those six games. Accrington were on a poor run of form when we played there, they hadn't won at home in the league for several games at that time. When Fleetwood came to us they had lost their last six away games in the league. Charlton came to us having lost three of their previous four away games.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:59:56 GMT 1
When you think the impact that Hurst had so quickly perhaps its spoilt this club?
Coming in mid season is always going to be tricky. I wasn't particularly inspired by a certain Alex Rodman, Toto Nsiala, Stefan Payne or Tyler Roberts when they arrived but they hit the ground running and look what at least the first three of them became (and the heartache when they left) and the last is now achieving.
Danny Coyne seemed to to turn this team and I can remember Paul Simpson coming in towards the end of the season and having an impact.
Ricketts hasn't done himself many favours with the players he has brought in. One to go straight on loan to his former club. One of his old chums who is on big wages and hasn't played for sometime. Another unproven and the final one was deemed not good enough by Askey.
I guess the proof is in the pudding. Or rather the eating of it, hopefully not in League Two.
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Post by chestershrew on Jan 21, 2019 16:21:10 GMT 1
This side should not go down because of the quality of the players it possesses. The centre halves Pairing that is picked regularly is slow. However we still have 3 out of 4 from the defence that finished 3rd last season. Plus we have an attacking full back that gives us greater options. We have enough quality it just needs managing. The midfield is inconsistent (maybe not grant) but the players available (particularly grant and Docherty) are very good, and have enough talent to be much higher. The strikers are our weak area, but I bet our strikers score more than the strikers did last season. The rest is about management, E.g. formations. In my opinion the talent of the playing resources we have available should not go down. the problem is consistency and finding the players strengths. apart from Coyne this season, with the other managers we had brief glimpses of the potential in the main we have been poor , inconsistent and at times turgid .so far the transfer window is underwhelming .and you are right it is about the coach getting the best out of the players and finding the tactics and formation that works best . I think the players are good enough, it’s the management of those players that have been lacking for most of the season. Hopefully SR can bring a couple of players into this squad, and we can start to be more effective consistently as he molds then into his team.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jan 21, 2019 17:45:22 GMT 1
You need to look more closely into the current form of those teams at the time of coming into the games against us, which is a far better indicator. Many of the teams we've faced during Ricketts time in charge came into those games not on a good run of results. prior to our game Blackpool had lost there last three home games Against some very good teams and in the cup.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 21, 2019 19:18:11 GMT 1
prior to our game Blackpool had lost there last three home games Against some very good teams and in the cup. true but we had a chance to warp it up in the first half we did not take it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 20:57:13 GMT 1
I don't care about the FA Cup in terms of measuring results, it's about the league. It's like that darts saying. Triples for show, doubles for dough.
We've not won in 5 league games. SR has won 1 league match in 8. I don't think were any better of, but he waves and talks a good game.
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Post by callum on Jan 21, 2019 21:20:47 GMT 1
If it hadn't been for a good 10 minute spell at Stoke I think he'd be starring down a barrel. I'm certainly unimpressed.
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Post by gtismygod on Jan 21, 2019 21:40:46 GMT 1
This thread is absolute nonsense.
What do you propose we do? Lurch from manager to manager, with no long-term vision, paying huge amounts of compensation if they don't immediately set us on a good run of form?
Ricketts needs 12 months minimum. Regardless of which league we're in next season.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jan 21, 2019 22:18:25 GMT 1
I would imagine the posters calling for change are the sort of people who order something from Amazon at 10.00pm and don't get it the next day are extremely disappointed.
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Post by shrewsace on Jan 21, 2019 23:11:45 GMT 1
Should Ricketts be shown more patience than Askey and, if so, why?
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Post by bexplorer on Jan 22, 2019 10:46:28 GMT 1
Sam Ricketts on his targets: “I think looking at the how well the club did last season, why can’t we do it again? Is it going to be easy? No. I haven’t come here to achieve mediocrity. I am here to achieve success and for me that means being at the top of the table.”
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Post by franthetownfan on Jan 22, 2019 10:47:42 GMT 1
Since he’s picked up a side with a s**t defence, 26 centre midfielders and a couple of lumps up front id say he’s doing fine considering they’re outside the drop. That said on current form Shrewsbury will be in the zone soon. The only thing that can really save is if a panic loan striker scores a few match winning goals - but in the current squad I don’t see anything to suggest the players will win a relegation battle.
The signing of a nostalgia trip who is one of the most injury prone players of all time - also another CM probably didn’t help the money they had available.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Jan 22, 2019 10:50:46 GMT 1
Based on the Jury which now resides in the Court of safe standing, Mr Ricketts must surely be on borrowed time.
Legal precedents have been set by the dismissal of Mr Askey.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 22, 2019 11:00:27 GMT 1
Eaves' goals saved us from relegation one year, and he will probably do the same for Gillingham this year.
We need someone similar.
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Post by bexplorer on Jan 22, 2019 11:25:53 GMT 1
I think Askey was sacked by fans as we know we dont have a sacking chairman.
As to SR my prediction was that he will be gone in February but with Doncaster game being postponed it may happen at the end of the next month
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Post by franthetownfan on Jan 22, 2019 12:04:38 GMT 1
Based on the Jury which now resides in the Court of safe standing, Mr Ricketts must surely be on borrowed time. Legal precedents have been set by the dismissal of Mr Askey. Can you ever just talk normally? You try way too hard to be funny. I’ll recommend you as a substitute for James Corden when he goes on holiday.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 22, 2019 12:12:55 GMT 1
Bearing in mind the amount we have presumably had to shell out to pay off Askey and his sidekicks, I'm just wondering as to whether lessons have been learnt with regard to the structuring of SR's contract just in case we need to address the issue at some future date.
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Post by tvor on Jan 22, 2019 12:36:22 GMT 1
Since he’s picked up a side with a s**t defence He didn't pick up a side with a s**t defence as you call it. At the time Ricketts came in our defence was around mid-table in the table of League 1 goals conceded this season. The squad still contained three quarters of the first choice back four from last season and, as an option, had a right back who played 30+ games for the side that won the League 1 playoffs last season. Far from a s**t defence.
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Post by bexplorer on Jan 22, 2019 13:12:47 GMT 1
Bearing in mind the amount we have presumably had to shell out to pay off Askey and his sidekicks, I'm just wondering as to whether lessons have been learnt with regard to the structuring of SR's contract just in case we need to address the issue at some future date. Clubs dont seem to be learning lessons. Look at Mourinho, he should have earned more from his sackings although they know of his third seasons. That issue at some future date might be next month and we know that the clubs in trouble looking for a " successful manager " are almost never in a good position to negotiate
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Post by venceremos on Jan 22, 2019 17:07:06 GMT 1
This thread is absolute nonsense. What do you propose we do? Lurch from manager to manager, with no long-term vision, paying huge amounts of compensation if they don't immediately set us on a good run of form? Ricketts needs 12 months minimum. Regardless of which league we're in next season. I've found us a boring watch for several games now but I agree with you. Ricketts hasn't made a good start but are we just going to keep changing managers until we find one that makes a good start, because a start is all some are prepared to give them these days? Getting ridiculous.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Jan 22, 2019 21:38:31 GMT 1
Based on the Jury which now resides in the Court of safe standing, Mr Ricketts must surely be on borrowed time. Legal precedents have been set by the dismissal of Mr Askey. Can you ever just talk normally? You try way too hard to be funny. I’ll recommend you as a substitute for James Corden when he goes on holiday. Have you been a prat all your life Franny?
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Post by callum on Jan 22, 2019 21:47:20 GMT 1
This thread is absolute nonsense. What do you propose we do? Lurch from manager to manager, with no long-term vision, paying huge amounts of compensation if they don't immediately set us on a good run of form? Ricketts needs 12 months minimum. Regardless of which league we're in next season. I've found us a boring watch for several games now but I agree with you. Ricketts hasn't made a good start but are we just going to keep changing managers until we find one that makes a good start, because a start is all some are prepared to give them these days? Getting ridiculous. Hurst is still lurking in the shadows!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 21:49:25 GMT 1
NO
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Post by tvor on Jan 29, 2019 21:52:08 GMT 1
We're 2-1 down at halftime, best to wait until full time, remember what happened at Stoke for example.
For the record I'm also far from convinced and he has a massive two days now until the window closes regardless of what happens tonight.
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Post by callum on Jan 29, 2019 21:59:57 GMT 1
I don't think he is, this is reminding me of the season we dropped out of the league when the cup masked Ratcliffe's inadequacies.
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Post by eclipsechaser on Jan 29, 2019 22:06:37 GMT 1
Ricketts will take us down . He hasn't improved us , in fact he has a worse average than Askey. Why did we make a panic appointment ? Whilst Coyne was doing well , we had no reason to rush, we could of taken months to choose a proven manager . Prepare for League 2 !
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Post by pepi64 on Jan 29, 2019 22:12:06 GMT 1
The Chairman should of had some balls and got Hurst back in!!
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