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Jan 19, 2019 22:50:30 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 22:50:30 GMT 1
Sick and tired of reading this.... seems to be every season, this is brought up. Dave Edwards is a massive risk and taken a massive wage which should of been spent on a goal scorer. Everyone moaned about Collins and said he wasn't a league one player. We are not Chelsea or Liverpool who can cherry pick the best. This is why Shrewsbury and smaller clubs are still in business, but every player is risk,some come good some don't. We are a club that has limited scouting in England Scotland and Wales, I do agree that Scottish league players are good (Shankland), but somebody with a 15+ goals may not suit the style of play and even adapt to English football and uprooting his family. Just give SR a chance in the summer when he has the chance to shape his squad rather than go for cheap options due to the wage limit. I think we will be OK, remember they were 8th and we happened to score 3 mid week. wage limit will always be the same .. we have turned into a club paying players off cause they are not what we expected so that’s a costly thing to be happen every other season but waterfall is on a good deal I’d imagine only way I see him going in on loan
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Jan 19, 2019 23:02:04 GMT 1
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jan 19, 2019 23:02:04 GMT 1
Either sign a striker otherwise be another 'root and branch' review in the Summer.
Get in them pockets Roland otherwise pack it in and sell up.
Already images of James Collins smashing them in against us in two weeks.
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Jan 19, 2019 23:31:30 GMT 1
Post by staffordshrew on Jan 19, 2019 23:31:30 GMT 1
Why?
The wage cap, we always abide by the rules that other clubs do not seem to.
Service: any stricker coming to us has got to know that he will get some back up.
The relegation battle and the need for instant goals.
Morals: We have missed out on a few or shipped out because of off field misdemeaners.
Our scouting always seems to end up finding midfielders, do we have any forwards in our scouting armoury?
Whatever changed Mr Angol's attitude.
In our favour: The cup run.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 20, 2019 0:03:02 GMT 1
your best shot is Henderson , 34 next week decent goalscorer , big favourite and part of the furniture at rochdale, probably easing himself into retirement and taking it easy during training what sort of tempting offer would you be giving him to up sticks and start a fresh ? and we’ve just signed a 33 year old On a 2 and a half year deal , Good enough old enough . Plenty about pilchard . Devante Cole not even getting a game . You happy with what we’ve got up top? I'm not happy with a lot of our players but what do you expect from Shrewsbury Town ? we made a massive gamble in bringing a favourite back which has meant we have had to offload lets face it, we all wanted that to happen up front we have Angol who I know can play better and hopefully he will okinberie has been far better than I expected , a big bonus laurent has been unlucky not to grab a goal or 2 recently Holloway has a few goals in him John Lewis still has to be paid by us injured or not we have Eisa who has potential and we have brought in a new lad who was judged by a lot before he even kicked a ball for us if they are not good enough to keep us up we go down simple as there's always next season we do it your way, there might not be a next season stop dreaming and get realistic
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Jan 20, 2019 0:34:27 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 0:34:27 GMT 1
It shouldn't be beyond us when you look to those players currently listed in the top scorers for the division... League One Top Scorers...
Sure you have the likes of Sunderland and Pompey listed but you also see Dale, Fleetwood, Walsall, Stanley included too. Just not worked out for us, doesn't seem to for Town... And Collins, Eaves, Ladapo and Toney have all played for us. I seem to remember all 4 were written off at one point or another by the sages on here. The first was to slow. The second too lazy The third only scored tap ins The fourth had a bad attitude. I await us to sign carlton on loan and then when he predictably doesn't score every game for them on here to start criticising him. As they did last season I might add also.
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Jan 20, 2019 9:45:15 GMT 1
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Post by block18shrew on Jan 20, 2019 9:45:15 GMT 1
It really gets me all this moaning about our lack of goals from our strikers. What about last season when we were riding high did we score many goals no did we have a striker who scored loads no. What we did have was a midfield that all chipped in with what 7;8;9 goals each , who are they this season ? So if we’re going to continually have a go at Holloway Angol etc maybe we should be looking elsewhere. A midfielder’s primary role in the team is to protect the defence and to support the attack. It would be unfair to expect two or three of our current midfielders to score 8/9 each a season. That is the job of a striker.
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Jan 20, 2019 10:44:35 GMT 1
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Post by philjh on Jan 20, 2019 10:44:35 GMT 1
And Collins, Eaves, Ladapo and Toney have all played for us. I seem to remember all 4 were written off at one point or another by the sages on here. The first was to slow. The second too lazy The third only scored tap ins The fourth had a bad attitude. I await us to sign carlton on loan and then when he predictably doesn't score every game for them on here to start criticising him. As they did last season I might add also.
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Jan 20, 2019 10:45:21 GMT 1
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Post by philjh on Jan 20, 2019 10:45:21 GMT 1
There is no guarantee that Carleton Morris is match fit ?
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Jan 20, 2019 10:54:20 GMT 1
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Jan 20, 2019 10:54:20 GMT 1
It’s an interesting question. I suppose Bury St Edmunds has Greene King, Faversham has Shepherd Neame and Chiswick has Fuller’s.
I guess it would be a case of market saturation, these things are often governed by supply and demand. For the avoidance of doubt, I sometimes do partake in ale when off duty but have no interest in opening a micro-brewery at this stage.
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Jan 20, 2019 13:18:30 GMT 1
Post by champagneprince on Jan 20, 2019 13:18:30 GMT 1
With regards to goals scored these are the stats from the last few seasons to avoid relegation
2017-2018 - 20th Dale (49), 19th Walsall (53) 2016-2017 - Gillingham (59), Bury (61) 2015-2016 - Town (58), Fleetwood (52) 2014-2015 - Colchester (58), Crewe (43) 2013-2014 - Crewe (54), County (64)
Median Average - 56 Mean Average - 55
= 1.20 goals a game and at present we are on 1.04 gpg. So yes, we do need to score more goals.
What's Kaikai up to nowadays? Was at Palace and on loan at Charlton last season but seems to have gone completely off the radar.
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Jan 20, 2019 14:47:44 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 14:47:44 GMT 1
Don’t we have a striker At the club that’s proven at this level ? The money is avalible . 6 months into the season . Still no decent forward . Or winger . Tight owner. He is from Shropshire 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 15:06:45 GMT 1
B&A always goes through this lack of goal scorer navel gazing every summer and January windows.
Last season 4 players got into double figures, we have played lone strikers under our 3 most recent managers.
It now appears that the modern centre-forward is more of an all rounder, brings others in to game runs the channels, create space, etc. Midfielders push forward to get in the box to fill the space, make late runs and second/third man runs. For example, Laurent had our best opportunities yesterday. And scored the winner Tuesday.
We splashed 175 grand on Grant Holt and it got us nowhere, we flogged him for a tidy profit and had to start again. I remember Junior Agogo scoring 20 plus for Bristol Rovers years ago as they finished mid-table.
John McGinley scored 20 as we were relegated from the 2nd tier.
As soon as Okenberhri got 5 in 5, or whatever, scouts were sniffing (before realising he's got a lot more development to do). We can't splash the cash to get one and it's highly unlikely a goal scorer will stay here anyway beyond half a season.
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Jan 20, 2019 15:19:37 GMT 1
Post by davycrockett on Jan 20, 2019 15:19:37 GMT 1
and we’ve just signed a 33 year old On a 2 and a half year deal , Good enough old enough . Plenty about pilchard . Devante Cole not even getting a game . You happy with what we’ve got up top? I'm not happy with a lot of our players but what do you expect from Shrewsbury Town ? we made a massive gamble in bringing a favourite back which has meant we have had to offload lets face it, we all wanted that to happen up front we have Angol who I know can play better and hopefully he will okinberie has been far better than I expected , a big bonus laurent has been unlucky not to grab a goal or 2 recently Holloway has a few goals in him John Lewis still has to be paid by us injured or not we have Eisa who has potential and we have brought in a new lad who was judged by a lot before he even kicked a ball for us if they are not good enough to keep us up we go down simple as there's always next season we do it your way, there might not be a next season stop dreaming and get realistic But we keep increasing our turnover through lucrative sales and sell ons and cup runs last year and this yet we rarely see this reflect in signings... Weve made £225k in prize money just in the FA cup with £135k for unexpectedly beating Stoke but it never seems to make a difference to Scrooge ... what would be the reduction in income just through relegation? Start with the £440 k difference from the EFL not to mention reduced gate et al
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Jan 20, 2019 15:27:07 GMT 1
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Post by accordingtome on Jan 20, 2019 15:27:07 GMT 1
B&A always goes through this lack of goal scorer navel gazing every summer and January windows. Last season 4 players got into double figures, we have played lone strikers under our 3 most recent managers. It now appears that the modern centre-forward is more of an all rounder, brings others in to game runs the channels, create space, etc. Midfielders push forward to get in the box to fill the space, make late runs and second/third man runs. For example, Laurent had our best opportunities yesterday. And scored the winner Tuesday. We splashed 175 grand on Grant Holt and it got us nowhere, we flogged him for a tidy profit and had to start again. I remember Junior Agogo scoring 20 plus for Bristol Rovers years ago as they finished mid-table. John McGinley scored 20 as we were relegated from the 2nd tier. As soon as Okenberhri got 5 in 5, or whatever, scouts were sniffing (before realising he's got a lot more development to do). We can't splash the cash to get one and it's highly unlikely a goal scorer will stay here anyway beyond half a season. can't or won't?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 15:32:30 GMT 1
B&A always goes through this lack of goal scorer navel gazing every summer and January windows. Last season 4 players got into double figures, we have played lone strikers under our 3 most recent managers. It now appears that the modern centre-forward is more of an all rounder, brings others in to game runs the channels, create space, etc. Midfielders push forward to get in the box to fill the space, make late runs and second/third man runs. For example, Laurent had our best opportunities yesterday. And scored the winner Tuesday. We splashed 175 grand on Grant Holt and it got us nowhere, we flogged him for a tidy profit and had to start again. I remember Junior Agogo scoring 20 plus for Bristol Rovers years ago as they finished mid-table. John McGinley scored 20 as we were relegated from the 2nd tier. As soon as Okenberhri got 5 in 5, or whatever, scouts were sniffing (before realising he's got a lot more development to do). We can't splash the cash to get one and it's highly unlikely a goal scorer will stay here anyway beyond half a season. can't or won't? One and the same with the Club run the way it is. Everyone knows how prudent RW is. When we're doing well people praise that policy. When we aren't doing well he's tight/unambitious/ripping the Club off/whatever.
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Jan 20, 2019 16:49:23 GMT 1
Post by gainsparkshrew on Jan 20, 2019 16:49:23 GMT 1
No financial power.. and bad managerial signings this season unproven managers being let loose with funds, Yep OK that's Wrexham in a nutshell What is it now, 6/7 consecutive defeats... lost to Fylde !...who , where ??. Keep up the great work Agent Barrow
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Jan 20, 2019 16:53:52 GMT 1
I'm not being funny here, but we need to sign a striker who can score goals and fall in love with the place! Look at the league one top scorers this season! John Marquis over 100+ games for Doncaster and Henderson over 200+ games for Rochdale. We need a goal scorer who actually enjoys playing for Shrewsbury, living here and the people. Remember folks, a happy worker is a better worker!
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Post by tvor on Jan 20, 2019 17:36:23 GMT 1
A 20 goal a season striker far from guarantees success. As Nicko mentioned about Grant Holt, that season we scr@ped into 7th on the final day of the season when two other sides would have finished above us if it were not for points deductions. Gillingham have Eaves goals but aren't doing much better than us, similarly with the lad at Rochdale.
What does concern me is a lack of experienced options up front. Yes we could do with a striker who would contribute more goals but we also need a bit more know how up front in my opinion. Angol has experience but appears to be well out of favour, the other two are inexperienced. It will be disappointing if we don't add a striker with experience before the end of the window.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 17:55:15 GMT 1
What does concern me is a lack of experienced options up front. Yes we could do with a striker who would contribute more goals but we also need a bit more know how up front in my opinion. . Yes, agree. Someone with guile and experience. Imagine someone like Grant up top.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 17:58:27 GMT 1
I'm not being funny here, but we need to sign a striker who can score goals and fall in love with the place! Look at the league one top scorers this season! John Marquis over 100+ games for Doncaster and Henderson over 200+ games for Rochdale. We need a goal scorer who actually enjoys playing for Shrewsbury, living here and the people. Remember folks, a happy worker is a better worker! Angol actually has a similar sort of record as Marquis pre Marquis' move to Doncaster. Similar also to Ian Henderson. (1 in 4). Really quite annoying that's hes been left aside for so long now to be honest and that he hasn't been tried with okenabirhie.
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Jan 20, 2019 18:15:54 GMT 1
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Post by londonshrew75 on Jan 20, 2019 18:15:54 GMT 1
The Angol situation is becoming a joke now. Why even have him on the bench ? You get the feeling that he would rather do nothing than go out on loan, which could also be a problem. Brilliant work Askey. If the kid from Reading is his plan to get us out of trouble then that's a hell of a gamble !
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Jan 20, 2019 18:19:09 GMT 1
Post by tvor on Jan 20, 2019 18:19:09 GMT 1
Angol wasn't a bad signing, he had a 1 in 3 record in League 1 when he joined us and he started the season doing well. What the hell has gone wrong since is anyone's guess, but it does need to be resolved sooner rather than later.
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Jan 20, 2019 18:52:30 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 18:52:30 GMT 1
It shouldn't be beyond us when you look to those players currently listed in the top scorers for the division... League One Top Scorers...
Sure you have the likes of Sunderland and Pompey listed but you also see Dale, Fleetwood, Walsall, Stanley included too. Just not worked out for us, doesn't seem to for Town... And Collins, Eaves, Ladapo and Toney have all played for us. Imagine having all 4 of them on our books now Of course, 3 of the 4 were loanees at the time when with us and from what I remember Ladapo wanted to return back south once his loan ended. In the case of Tom Eaves, wasn't his first spell on loan with us cut short by his parent club, Bolton? He's another player who had to drop down a division for a couple of years before again finding his feet. Always a tough one when you have loanees, especially forwards. Do well and they are in the shop window and suddenly they are too expensive for us to sign. Likewise like Ladapo they join us when they are not quite ready and it's the next club or so who ultimately end up with the improved/finished article. Kyle Vassell was another one who found his scoring boots once he left us, he even got a move to the championship with Rotherham although I'm not sure if that move has really worked out for him.
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Jan 20, 2019 19:08:01 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 20:21:12 GMT 1
Injury cut short his loan spell here. Winnall was desperate to come back as he was impressed with the set up here under Turner. He was delighted to leave wolves when he did as he despised Dean Saunders (not the only one I might add). Alas we never went back in for him scunny did and the rest is history.
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Jan 20, 2019 20:35:21 GMT 1
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Jan 20, 2019 20:35:21 GMT 1
People saying a goalscorer doesn’t guarantee success?
Success isn’t always winning things . In our case someone scoring 20 odd goals and helping us finish in mid table rather than relegation places is success !!
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Jan 20, 2019 21:11:32 GMT 1
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Post by shrewsoftheworld on Jan 20, 2019 21:11:32 GMT 1
And Collins, Eaves, Ladapo and Toney have all played for us. I seem to remember all 4 were written off at one point or another by the sages on here. The first was to slow. The second too lazy The third only scored tap ins The fourth had a bad attitude. I await us to sign carlton on loan and then when he predictably doesn't score every game for them on here to start criticising him. As they did last season I might add also. Spot on You can add (‘one of own’) Tom Bradshaw to that list who was written off by many as too lightweight... There are undoubtedly issues with our forward options at the moment but It isn’t just a case of one ‘marquee’ signing but more about increasing the threat throughout the team. As a team we haven’t created chances on a regular basis & that needs resolving just as much as the personnel up top. The current formation has made us more solid & in control of games but the limited chances created have primarily fallen to Laurent who (despite other qualities) lacks the composure/technique to score regularly. AAH doesn’t fit that role so either a rejuvenated Angol or Smith will need to step up from our current crop. There are ‘natural goalscorers’ we could realistically target, either from smaller clubs/lower leagues/out of favour elsewhere (such as Billy Kee at Accrington) but there are no guarantees we could tempt them here or that it would work (as we have seen many times)
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Jan 20, 2019 21:16:27 GMT 1
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Jan 20, 2019 21:16:27 GMT 1
People saying a goalscorer doesn’t guarantee success? Success isn’t always winning things . In our case someone scoring 20 odd goals and helping us finish in mid table rather than relegation places is success !! I don’t think “people” are talking about the player being a success, not whether signing the next Bahrudin Atajic would fire us to the FA Cup final.
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Jan 20, 2019 21:24:01 GMT 1
Post by Worthingshrew on Jan 20, 2019 21:24:01 GMT 1
Ajose would have been a good signing in my opinion, got good track record and often scored against us. I’m sure we could have secured him rather than him going to Mansfield.
They also got Jorge Grant who scored loads for Nottts County last season.
There are players out there, not just youngsters who’ve got about 2 career goals.
We sign experienced players in other areas, like Grant, but rarely strikers.
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 20, 2019 21:24:20 GMT 1
So many examples given of good goal scorers at this level we’ve let go. Why?
Well our moronic fans write them off far too quickly and drive them away, certainly doesn’t help
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