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Post by martinshrew on Jan 18, 2019 12:28:14 GMT 1
If you leavers want to raise your spirits, watch last nights rally in London on utube. My hero, Kate Hoey, gave a brilliant speech. She raised the topic of Anna Soubry being called a Nazi. Kate said she had been accused of being a Nazi on 20 occasions just recently. Sir Rocco Forte and me wouldn't invite each other round for tea, he isn't a great speaker, but his facts were interesting. (When he praised Thatcher you should have seen the withering look my hero Kate gave him!). The Roccofellah stated that a much larger proportion of our trade comes from outside the EU, so why aren't there large hold-ups at the border? I was amazed by Ian Duncan Smiff. His account of a trip to Germany to represent the Prime Minister was absolute class, very funny.
Certainly lifted the spirits of those of us who would rather spend £39 billion on public services in Britain than spend it on drunken EU officials.
Power to the people. Brilliant. Totally agree with your final comments also.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 18, 2019 12:31:07 GMT 1
OK.. so the Government won by 19 votes - minus 10 DUP votes, they still won by 9 but don't let the facts get in the way.
By the way 3 Labour MPs also voted in favour of the Government!
That's supposing the 10 DUP hadn't voted at all. If they had voted against then the Govt would have lost by 1. As happened to Callaghan in 1979.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 18, 2019 13:11:04 GMT 1
Funny how those 10 votes are keeping the Tories in power. Those 10 against last night would have ended the Tory reign of terror against the poor and vulnerable in the UK, but no, they instead vote to prop up a dead horse of a government. I'd call that quite a substantial say, wouldn't you? OK.. so the Government won by 19 votes - minus 10 DUP votes, they still won by 9 but don't let the facts get in the way.
By the way 3 Labour MPs also voted in favour of the Government!
Maths not your strong suite Keith? Given their dislike of the backstop if it weren't for Theresa's bribe those DUP MPs don't just disappear off into a void, they would likely have voted against the government delivering a loss by a margin of one.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 18, 2019 14:32:21 GMT 1
Ahhhhhhhhh! That is what I feel like doing now! Did anyone ever see an opinion poll prior to the original referendum in 2016! The vast majority said that remain would win by be between 2 to 4%. So what happened! People didn't change their minds, they lied to the pollsters! Why, because they didn't want to be as anti foreigner. Result, a lot of remain voters stayed at home because of the polls and we end up with this mess! Here's a crazy idea, call a second referendum and ban all pre vote polls. Let's see what the result is then! Who can blame leavers for lying to pollsters, given all the abuse and slander we face, just because of the way we voted. Give it a rest. Where's my tiny violin? Anybody lying to a pollster is either being mischievous (fair enough) or is too daft to realise it's private. Of course leavers aren't/weren't all racist. But there are such things as racists - even amongst those who deny or don't realise it - and they would be leavers, not remainers. It doesn't help your case when we see the woman on her way into the Farage rally last night telling Newsnight that the country needs another Oliver Cromwell and Enoch Powell. Some people with very nasty views have felt empowered, not embarrassed. Those are the "saboteurs" that need crushing.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 18, 2019 15:11:11 GMT 1
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 18, 2019 15:18:57 GMT 1
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 18, 2019 15:31:39 GMT 1
I thought you lot all loved the gilets jaunes?
I don't think I've ever tasted them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 15:55:28 GMT 1
Certainly lifted the spirits of those of us who would rather spend £39 billion on public services in Britain than spend it on drunken EU officials. [/p]
Power to the people. [/quote] They could spend an extra £39 billion now if the political will was there.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 18, 2019 16:23:25 GMT 1
I'm a frayed knot, Matron. The brandy glasses at Brussels would run dry.
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Post by shrewder on Jan 18, 2019 17:27:02 GMT 1
If you leavers want to raise your spirits, watch last nights rally in London on utube. My hero, Kate Hoey, gave a brilliant speech. She raised the topic of Anna Soubry being called a Nazi. Kate said she had been accused of being a Nazi on 20 occasions just recently. Sir Rocco Forte and me wouldn't invite each other round for tea, he isn't a great speaker, but his facts were interesting. (When he praised Thatcher you should have seen the withering look my hero Kate gave him!). The Roccofellah stated that a much larger proportion of our trade comes from outside the EU, so why aren't there large hold-ups at the border? I was amazed by Ian Duncan Smiff. His account of a trip to Germany to represent the Prime Minister was absolute class, very funny.
Certainly lifted the spirits of those of us who would rather spend £39 billion on public services in Britain than spend it on drunken EU officials.
Power to the people. I expect when the time comes when the £39 billion is back in the government's hands it will miraculously disappear or have been absorbed in some way and the so called financial gain from leaving will not materialise.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 18, 2019 17:57:50 GMT 1
If you leavers want to raise your spirits, watch last nights rally in London on utube. My hero, Kate Hoey, gave a brilliant speech. She raised the topic of Anna Soubry being called a Nazi. Kate said she had been accused of being a Nazi on 20 occasions just recently. Sir Rocco Forte and me wouldn't invite each other round for tea, he isn't a great speaker, but his facts were interesting. (When he praised Thatcher you should have seen the withering look my hero Kate gave him!). The Roccofellah stated that a much larger proportion of our trade comes from outside the EU, so why aren't there large hold-ups at the border? I was amazed by Ian Duncan Smiff. His account of a trip to Germany to represent the Prime Minister was absolute class, very funny.
Certainly lifted the spirits of those of us who would rather spend £39 billion on public services in Britain than spend it on drunken EU officials.
Power to the people. I expect when the time comes when the £39 billion is back in the government's hands it will miraculously disappear or have been absorbed in some way and the so called financial gain from leaving will not materialise. The projection is that, far from having £39 billion more, the government will have £80 billion less each year by 2033. With the NHS, social services, education, the police etc stretching to breaking point already, that's a very grim prospect and, for me, far too high a price to pay for "freedom" from some imagined oppression.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 18, 2019 18:06:09 GMT 1
I expect when the time comes when the £39 billion is back in the government's hands it will miraculously disappear or have been absorbed in some way and the so called financial gain from leaving will not materialise. The projection is that, far from having £39 billion more, the government will have £80 billion less each year by 2033. With the NHS, social services, education, the police etc stretching to breaking point already, that's a very grim prospect and, for me, far too high a price to pay for "freedom" from some imagined oppression.
I wouldn't worry. The EU won't exist then.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 18, 2019 18:12:53 GMT 1
The projection is that, far from having £39 billion more, the government will have £80 billion less each year by 2033. With the NHS, social services, education, the police etc stretching to breaking point already, that's a very grim prospect and, for me, far too high a price to pay for "freedom" from some imagined oppression.
I wouldn't worry. The EU won't exist then.
We could have an £80 billion bet on that …..
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