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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 8, 2019 8:03:56 GMT 1
You know he plays for the Republic of Ireland and considers himself Irish don’t you? Having refused a call up from Northern Ireland. Regardless of which side of the Irish border he was born on, he’s Irish. Hilarious. You recognise his argument whilst saying he shouldn’t be allowed to make it. Eh? But he doesn't does he. At all. And what's this about "allowed"? Who has said he shouldn't be allowed to do it? He chose to do it and now people are reacting as a result. He may do so again in the future, I doubt anyone is going to say he should't be allowed to do so. Just that people think he shouldn't do so. There were no doubt a good few lads in that lineup who weren't English or British, they didn't see a need to turn their back to prove the point. He ought to grow up and he (and anyone else too) who doesn't think an act like that isn't going to result in insults being thrown in his direction are very much mistaken. It was a really stupid thing to do.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 8, 2019 8:36:05 GMT 1
Long live James McClean! The great, the like of which we will never see again, warrior of a man James McClean. Super James McClean. Using his freedoms to refuse to respect & remember our fallen soldiers - what a gent. Heroic James McClean. God help us. Personally I think he comes across as a bit of a scum bag. But each to their own.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jan 8, 2019 11:07:09 GMT 1
McClean grew up on an estate alongside people whose innocent loved ones were murdered by British soldiers, so the notion that he should "respect" Britain is ludicrous. Time for a lot of people to pack the sectarian garbage in, and educate themselves. This would be a good start: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
Then why didn't he stay in Ireland if he hates us so much. As former IRA men have said, mistakes were made on both sides. If I'd gone to the Republic and behaved like that, I very much doubt I'd have come out alive. He can rev up and **** off for me.
www.joe.ie/sport/pic-james-mcclean-both-abused-and-praised-for-turning-away-during-god-save-the-queen-504658
I would add, don't think all Irish people are like him. I've met some sound blokes and ladies from the Republic. In fact, I was sat next to a former Irish jump jockey for meals in November when we did the nile cruise. He often used to come and sit by us and have a drink in the evening, and could he drink! Despite being disabled when a horse fell on him during a race, he told me he didn't regret a minute of it. I used to help him up steps if there was no hand rail during trips. A bigger contrast to thing we're all wasting so much time on I can't imagine.
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Post by WATR on Jan 8, 2019 11:15:38 GMT 1
McClean grew up on an estate alongside people whose innocent loved ones were murdered by British soldiers, so the notion that he should "respect" Britain is ludicrous. Time for a lot of people to pack the sectarian garbage in, and educate themselves. This would be a good start: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
Then why didn't he stay in Ireland if he hates us so much.
He was born in Britain?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 8, 2019 11:22:31 GMT 1
Then why didn't he stay in Ireland if he hates us so much.
He was born in Britain? Obviously JT was referring to the island itself rather than the sovereign state.
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Post by Dancin on Jan 8, 2019 11:33:22 GMT 1
He seems quite happy to paid with the money with the Queen's head on it?
Or does he get paid in Euros?
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jan 8, 2019 12:24:48 GMT 1
Sadly the truth about our colonial history, Days of Empire etc, is deliberately white washed and misrepresented within the education system. Not really sure I agree with this. I agree maybe back in the day (70/80s for me), but today GCSE History encourages critique of Empire and British history generally. I have sat in on and helped teach GCSE history that clearly does this and encourages students to look at all aspects and effects of Empire on indigenous people and their cultures. This critique goes right to degree level of course. Thanks for the update, I'm happy to stand corrected on my original comment. Thinking back it's ironic that my generation where taught that children within the Soviet bloc where being force fed a sanitized version of history while we where being fed a totally pro-Britain are always the good guys version of the same history
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Post by Simon Spuunktrumpet on Jan 8, 2019 12:51:58 GMT 1
Is this thread for real? A supporter of an illegal criminal organsiation that murdered hundreds of civillians of the UK (EG tim parry), gets a song sang about him because of his overt protestations, and the snowflake brigade on here are ashamed. Get over yourselves. Hes a horrible human with horrible beliefs. People on here have very short memories of the evil the IRA caused.
ps those in the south stand , sat where I am in block 2 every game we can barely hear you singing, it may be loud where you it isn't anywhere else
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2019 13:00:35 GMT 1
Is this thread for real? A supporter of an illegal criminal organsiation that murdered hundreds of civillians of the UK (EG tim parry), gets a song sang about him because of his overt protestations, and the snowflake brigade on here are ashamed. Get over yourselves. Hes a horrible human with horrible beliefs. People on here have very short memories of the evil the IRA caused. ps those in the south stand , sat where I am in block 2 every game we can barely hear you singing, it may be loud where you it isn't anywhere else that was the party political broadcast from the Lynch mob
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Post by keithb123 on Jan 8, 2019 13:01:39 GMT 1
McClean grew up on an estate alongside people whose innocent loved ones were murdered by British soldiers, so the notion that he should "respect" Britain is ludicrous. Time for a lot of people to pack the sectarian garbage in, and educate themselves. This would be a good start: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)Did you know that as a right of passage for Irish school children they are taken to Drogheda to look at a mumified head of Oliver Plunkett and told about how the English treated Irish people.. Good God, that was in the 1600's FFS
So what about the British people who were tortured, kneecapped, murdered by the IRA. Those killed in cowardly bombings and other attacks?
Here is a list of some of the IRA atrocisties in the last 40 - 50 years, but it's ok as they were fighting for freedom.
1970s
1971, 12 January: Two bombs exploded at the house of government minister Robert Carr. This attack was one of 25 carried out by the Angry Brigade between August 1970 and August 1971. The Bomb Squad was established at Scotland Yard in January 1971 to target the group, and they were apprehended in August of that year.[13][14] 1971, 31 October: A bomb exploded in the Post Office Tower in London causing extensive damage but no injuries. The "Kilburn Battalion" of the IRA claimed responsibility for the explosion but The Angry Brigade also claimed to have carried out the attack. It's likely it was the work of the Angry Brigade and not the IRA.[15] 1972, 22 February: Aldershot bombing: The Official Irish Republican Army ('Official' IRA) detonated a car bomb at Aldershot British Army base, Hampshire. The blast killed seven civilian staff. 1972, 19 September: The group Black September posted a letter bomb to the Israeli embassy in London killing an Israeli diplomat.[16] [17] 1973, 8 March: The Provisional Irish Republican Army ('Provisional' IRA) planted four car bombs in London. Two of the bombs exploded outside the Old Bailey and the Ministry of Agriculture, injuring dozens. The bombs outside New Scotland Yard and an army recruitment office near Whitehall were defused. 1973, 10 September: The Provisional IRA set off bombs at London's King's Cross and Euston stations, injuring 21 people.[18] 1973, 18 December: 1973 Westminster bombing: An IRA car bomb exploded outside the Home Office building in Millbank, London, injuring 60 people. 1974, 4 February: M62 coach bombing: An IRA bomb exploded aboard a bus carrying British soldiers and several of their family members in Yorkshire, killing nine soldiers and three civilians. 1974, 17 June: Houses of Parliament bombing: An IRA bomb exploded at the Houses of Parliament, causing extensive damage and injuring 11 people.[19] 1974 17 July: Tower of London bombing: A bomb exploded in the Tower of London, killing one and injuring 41. 1974, 5 October: Guildford pub bombings: IRA bombs exploded in two pubs frequented by British military personnel in Guildford, Surrey. Four soldiers and a civilian were killed and 44 injured. 1974, 22 October: An IRA bomb exploded in Brooks's gentleman's club in London, injuring three people.[20] 1974, 7 November: An IRA bomb exploded in a pub frequented by British military personnel in Woolwich, London, killing a soldier and a civilian. 1974, 14 November: James Patrick McDade, Lieutenant in the Birmingham Battalion, of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) was killed in a premature explosion whilst planting a bomb at the Coventry telephone exchange in 1974. 1974, 21 November: Birmingham pub bombings: IRA bombs exploded in two pubs in Birmingham, killing 21 people and injuring 182. 1974, 18 December: 1974 Bristol bombing: Two IRA bombs exploded in one of Bristol's shopping districts in the run up to Christmas, injuring 17.[21] 1975, 27 August: Caterham Arms pub bombing: An IRA bomb exploded in a pub frequented by British military personnel in Caterham, Surrey, injuring 33.[22] 1975, 5 September: An IRA bomb exploded in the lobby of the Hilton Hotel, London, killing two people and injuring 63. 1975, 9 October: Green Park tube station bombing: An IRA bomb exploded by Green Park tube station in London, killing one. 1975, 18 November: IRA members threw a bomb into Walton's restaurant in London, killing two people and injuring 23. 1975, 27 November: IRA gunmen assassinated political activist and television personality Ross McWhirter in Enfield Town, London.[23] 1975, 6–12 December: Balcombe Street siege: Four IRA members, who were fleeing from the police, barricaded themselves inside a flat in London and held the two occupants hostage. The siege lasted for six days and ended when the IRA members surrendered and released the hostages. 1975, 20 December: Biddy Mulligan's pub bombing: The Ulster Defence Association (UDA) bombed Biddy Mulligan's pub in the Kilburn area of London. Five people were injured. It said it bombed the pub because it was frequented by Irish republican sympathizers.[24] 1976, 4 March: Cannon Street train bombing: An IRA bomb exploded in an empty train at Cannon Street station in London, injuring eight. 1976, 15 March: West Ham station attack: An IRA bomb exploded on a train at West Ham station in London, injuring seven. The bomber then shot two people while fleeing, killing one. 1976, 27 March: Olympia bombing: An IRA bomb exploded at the Olympia, London, killing one and injuring over 80 people. 1978, 17 December: Co-ordinated IRA bombs exploded in Manchester, Liverpool, Coventry, Bristol and Southampton, injuring at least seven in Bristol.[25] 1979, 17 January: A bomb exploded at a Texaco oil terminal on Canvey Island, Essex, tearing a hole in a tank that was initially thought to contain aviation fuel.[26][27] 1979, 17 February: Glasgow pub bombings: The Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) bombed two pubs frequented by Catholics in Glasgow, Scotland. Both pubs were wrecked and a number of people were wounded. It said it bombed the pubs because they were used for Irish republican fundraising.[28] 1979, 30 March: Airey Neave killed when a bomb exploded under his car as he drove out of the Palace of Westminster car park. The Irish National Liberation Army (INLA) claimed responsibility.
1980s
1980, 30 April: Iranian Embassy siege: Six Iranian Arab gunmen stormed the Iranian Embassy in London and took hostages. The siege lasted for six days, until the hostages were rescued in a raid by the SAS which was broadcast live on TV. Two of the hostages were killed, while the hostage-takers were all either killed or captured. 1981 January: Bomb inside RAF band barracks in RAF Uxbridge. A security patrol discovered the bomb surrounded by drums of petrol. The barracks were evacuated but the device exploded before the bomb disposal arrived. The blast was heard up to 2 miles away. There were two minor injuries. 1981, 10 October: The IRA detonated a bomb outside Chelsea Barracks, London, killing two and injuring 39. 1981, 26 October: The IRA bombed a Wimpy Bar on Oxford Street, killing Kenneth Howorth, the Metropolitan Police explosives officer attempting to defuse it. 1982, 14 March: The bombing of the London offices of the African National Congress (ANC), which opposed the apartheid government of South Africa, wounding one person who was living upstairs. General Johann Coetzee, former head of the South African Security Police, and seven other policemen accepted responsibility for the attack after the end of the apartheid government.[29] 1982, June: Abu Nidal killed the Israeli ambassador in London.[30] 1982, 20 July: Hyde Park and Regent's Park bombings: IRA bombs exploded during British military ceremonies in Hyde Park and Regent's Park, London, killing eleven soldiers of the Household Cavalry and the Royal Green Jackets. 1983, 17 December: Harrods bombing: An IRA car bomb exploded outside Harrods department store in London, following a telephoned warning. Five people were killed, including three police officers, and the sixth victim - another police officer - died in hospital from his injuries a week later. 90 other people were injured but survived. 1984, 12 October: Brighton hotel bombing: In an attempt to assassinate Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, the IRA detonated a bomb in the Grand Brighton Hotel during the Conservative Party conference. It killed five Conservative Party members, including MP Anthony Berry. 1986, Sangtar Singh Sadhu was shot in an assassination attempt in west London. Sikh extremists are suspected.[31] 1986, Tarsem Singh Toor was assassinated. Sikh extremists are suspected.[31] 1988, 21 December: Pan Am Flight 103 blown up by a bomb in a suitcase while in flight over Lockerbie, Scotland after taking off from Heathrow. All 259 of the plane's passengers and crew were killed, along with 11 Lockerbie residents, claiming a total of 270 lives. 1989, 3 August: A man using the alias Mustafa Mahmoud Mazeh accidentally blew himself up along with two floors of a central London hotel while preparing a bomb intended to kill author Salman Rushdie.[32] 1989, 22 September: Deal barracks bombing: Eleven Royal Marines bandsmen were killed and 22 injured when an IRA bomb exploded at the Royal Marines base in Deal, Kent.
1990s
1990, 14 May: :The IRA bombed an army education centre in Eltham, London, injuring seven. 1990, 16 May: The IRA bombed a minibus at an army recruitment centre in Wembley, London, killing one soldier and injuring four. 1990, 1 June: A British soldier was killed and two wounded in an IRA gun attack at Lichfield City railway station, Staffordshire. 1990, 9 June: Honourable Artillery Company bombing: The IRA detonated a bomb at the Honourable Artillery Company's barracks in London, injuring 19. 1990, 26 June: Carlton Club bombing: The IRA bombed a London club for Conservative politicians, fatally wounding one and injuring 20. 1990, 20 July: London Stock Exchange bombing: The IRA detonated a bomb at the London Stock Exchange causing damage to the building but no injuries.[33] 1990, 30 July: Ian Gow, Conservative MP, was assassinated by the IRA when a booby trap bomb exploded under his car outside his home in East Sussex.[34] 1991, 7 February: The IRA carried out a mortar attack of 10 Downing Street, in an attempt to assassinate Prime Minister John Major and his cabinet. One of the shells exploded in the back garden of 10 Downing Street but there were no deaths. 1991, 18 February: An IRA bomb exploded at Victoria Station. One man killed and 38 people injured. 1991, 15 November: An IRA bomb exploded in St Albans city centre. Two fatalities, both members of the provisional IRA (Patricia Black and Frankie Ryan), were the only casualties. 1992, 28 February: An IRA bomb exploded at London Bridge station, injuring 29 people. 1992, 10 April: Baltic Exchange bombing: A large IRA truck bomb exploded outside the Baltic Exchange building in the City of London, following a telephoned warning. It killed three people and caused £800 million worth of damage – more than the total damaged caused by the 10,000 explosions that had occurred during the Troubles in Northern Ireland up to that point.[35] A few hours later a bomb exploded in Staples Corner. 1992, 7 June: Wanted IRA member Paul Magee opened fire on unarmed police officers Constable Sandy Kelly and Special Constable Glenn Goodman during a routine traffic stop in North Yorkshire. Kelly escaped injury when a single bullet ricocheted off his radio, but Goodman was hit four times, and later died in hospital.[36] 1992, 25 August: The IRA planted three firebombs in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Bombs were placed in Shoplatch, The Charles Darwin Centre and Shrewsbury Castle, the latter causing the most damage as the castle housed the Shropshire Regimental Museum and many priceless historical artifacts were lost and damaged by fire and smoke. No fatalities or injuries were recorded. 1992, 12 October: Sussex Arms bombing: A bomb exploded in the gents' toilet of a pub in Covent Garden, killing one person and injuring four others. 1992, 16 November: IRA planted a bomb at the Canary Wharf, but was spotted by security guards. The bomb failed to detonate. 1992, 3 December: The IRA detonated two car bombs in central Manchester, injuring 65 people.[37] 1993, 28 January: 1993 Harrods bombing: Far-left Red Action members together with the IRA bombed Harrods in London, injuring four. 1993, 27 February: Camden Town bombing: An IRA bomb exploded on Camden High Street in London, injuring 18. 1993, 20 March: Warrington bomb attacks: Two small bombs exploded in litter bins outside shops in Warrington, Cheshire, killing a three-year-old boy injuring more than 50 people. A 12-year-old boy became the second fatality when he died in hospital from his injuries several days later. IRA members had sent a telephoned warning but it was inaccurate. 1993, 24 April: Bishopsgate bombing: The IRA detonated a huge truck bomb in the City of London at Bishopsgate. Police had received a telephoned warning but were still evacuating the area at the time of the explosion. A journalist was killed, over 40 people were injured, and £350 million worth of damage was caused.[35] 1994, March: Heathrow mortar attacks: The IRA launched a series of mortar attacks on Heathrow Airport near London. The attacks caused severe disruption but little damage. 1994, 26–27 July: A group of Palestinians detonated two car bombs in London, one outside the Israeli embassy[30] and one outside Balfour House, home to a Jewish charity. The attacks injured twenty people.[30] 1994, 13 August: 2.5 lbs of Semtex packed into a bicycle left outside Woolworths in Bognor Regis, exploded damaging 15 shops. A similar bomb found in nearby Brighton.[38] 1995, 24 January: The editor of the Des Pardes, Tarsem Singh Purewal, was shot and killed near to the newspaper's Southall office.[39] 1996, 9 February: London Docklands bombing: The IRA detonated a powerful truck bomb in the Canary Wharf financial district of London, following telephoned warnings. The blast caused severe damage and killed two people. 1996, 18 February: Aldwych bus bombing: An improvised high explosive device detonated prematurely on a bus travelling along Aldwych in central London, killing Edward O'Brien, the IRA member transporting the device and injuring eight others. 1996, 15 June: Manchester bombing: The IRA detonated a powerful truck bomb in central Manchester, following a telephoned warning. It was the biggest bomb detonated in Britain since the Second World War. It caused widespread damage and injured over 200 people, but there were no deaths. 1999, 17 April, 24 April, 30 April: 1999 London nail bombings: David Copeland set off three nail bombs in London targeting the black, Bangladeshi and gay communities respectively, killing three people (including a pregnant woman) and injuring 129. Copeland, a far-right extremist, was convicted of murder on 30 June 2000.
Refer also to the list of IRA terrorist incidents presented to Parliament between 1980 and 1994, listed halfway down the page here
2000s Memorial in London's Hyde Park to the victims of the 7 July bombings.
2000, 20 September: The Real IRA fired an RPG-22 rocket launcher at the MI6 headquarters in London. 2001, 4 March: The Real IRA detonated a car bomb outside the BBC Television Centre in London, damaging the front of the building and injuring one person.[40] 2001, 3 August: The Real IRA detonated a car bomb in Ealing, London, damaging buildings and injuring seven people. 2001, 4 November: Real IRA car bomb in Birmingham.
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 8, 2019 13:03:57 GMT 1
Is this thread for real? A supporter of an illegal criminal organsiation that murdered hundreds of civillians of the UK (EG tim parry), gets a song sang about him because of his overt protestations, and the snowflake brigade on here are ashamed. Get over yourselves. Hes a horrible human with horrible beliefs. People on here have very short memories of the evil the IRA caused. ps those in the south stand , sat where I am in block 2 every game we can barely hear you singing, it may be loud where you it isn't anywhere else 1st post for 11 years after berating the Pope then ? With St George in my heart keep me English, with St George in my heart I pray, with St George in my heart keep me English, keep me English till my dying day. The fact that the songs been adopted by such racist groups as the EDL (not to mention te EBF) should give you a clue as to why it’s not welcomed by decent footy fans..would imagine most of those singing this also support these groups so nothing to do with...
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Post by keithb123 on Jan 8, 2019 13:16:53 GMT 1
I for one do not condone sectarian or racist songs, however, with Shrewsbury having been subject to an IRA attack maybe there is still bad feelings:
1992, 25 August: The IRA planted three firebombs in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Bombs were placed in Shoplatch, The Charles Darwin Centre and Shrewsbury Castle, the latter causing the most damage as the castle housed the Shropshire Regimental Museum and many priceless historical artifacts were lost and damaged by fire and smoke. No fatalities or injuries were recorded.
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Post by shrewswolf on Jan 8, 2019 14:33:38 GMT 1
Long live James McClean! The great, the like of which we will never see again, warrior of a man James McClean. Super James McClean. Using his freedoms to refuse to respect & remember our fallen soldiers - what a gent. Heroic James McClean. God help us. Personally I think he comes across as a bit of a scum bag. But each to their own. So do I, I was being sarcastic. He’s a monumental bellend. Still, some seem to think he’s the bees knees. Definitely each to their own.
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Post by scooter on Jan 8, 2019 14:35:36 GMT 1
so Irish history started in 1971 ? It was a green paradise before, with no violence
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2019 14:37:12 GMT 1
so Irish history started in 1971 ? It was a green paradise before, with no violence its when sky news started ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 14:37:28 GMT 1
I for one do not condone sectarian or racist songs, however, with Shrewsbury having been subject to an IRA attack maybe there is still bad feelings: 1992, 25 August: The IRA planted three firebombs in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Bombs were placed in Shoplatch, The Charles Darwin Centre and Shrewsbury Castle, the latter causing the most damage as the castle housed the Shropshire Regimental Museum and many priceless historical artifacts were lost and damaged by fire and smoke. No fatalities or injuries were recorded. Well indeed. I for one am still very bitter about the damaged carpet in the castle.
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Post by scooter on Jan 8, 2019 14:39:16 GMT 1
so Irish history started in 1971 ? It was a green paradise before, with no violence its when sky news started ;-) I was going to refer to Sky and Premier League, but didn’t bother
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Post by keithb123 on Jan 8, 2019 15:07:18 GMT 1
I for one do not condone sectarian or racist songs, however, with Shrewsbury having been subject to an IRA attack maybe there is still bad feelings: 1992, 25 August: The IRA planted three firebombs in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Bombs were placed in Shoplatch, The Charles Darwin Centre and Shrewsbury Castle, the latter causing the most damage as the castle housed the Shropshire Regimental Museum and many priceless historical artifacts were lost and damaged by fire and smoke. No fatalities or injuries were recorded. Well indeed. I for one am still very bitter about the damaged carpet in the castle. Wouldnt have expected any other sort of response from you. So no harm done then? As per your avatar you seem happy to support this sort of thing. What a ridiculous reply. So, because it was lucky that there was no serious harm, damage or loss of life that everything should be accepted.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 8, 2019 17:11:55 GMT 1
Hilarious. You recognise his argument whilst saying he shouldn’t be allowed to make it. Eh? But he doesn't does he. At all. And what's this about "allowed"? Who has said he shouldn't be allowed to do it? He chose to do it and now people are reacting as a result. He may do so again in the future, I doubt anyone is going to say he should't be allowed to do so. Just that people think he shouldn't do so. There were no doubt a good few lads in that lineup who weren't English or British, they didn't see a need to turn their back to prove the point. He ought to grow up and he (and anyone else too) who doesn't think an act like that isn't going to result in insults being thrown in his direction are very much mistaken. It was a really stupid thing to do. He ought to grow up? I'd like to see you try that argument with a bunch of republicans. He's Irish, that's the point. His experience isn't the same as any other non-British player. There's been animosity and hostility between British and Irish for generations. Now, thankfully, we're at peace and may that continue forever, but I see no problem in anyone peacefully declining to show solidarity with the armed forces of a country with whom your people have been at war. It's odd that the most sensitive reaction to McClean's actions comes from random groups of football fans. I wonder how directly they've suffered at the hands of Irish republicans? Seems to me it's just tribal goading going on, which makes it odd that you think the guy with first hand experience of the issue and who's making a political point is the one who should "grow up". Perhaps you think Tommie Smith and John Carlos in Mexico '68 should have been more grown up, rather than give the black power salute. Maybe you think Colin Kaepernick and the many who followed him by taking the knee ought to grow up too.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 8, 2019 17:18:43 GMT 1
Personally I think he comes across as a bit of a scum bag. But each to their own. So do I, I was being sarcastic. He’s a monumental bellend. Still, some seem to think he’s the bees knees. Definitely each to their own. I have no idea what sort of person McClean is and it really doesn't matter either way. The point is he's entitled to make his peaceful protest and does so consistently, which takes some courage. I doubt many on here would do it in the reverse circumstances.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 8, 2019 17:28:36 GMT 1
Is this thread for real? A supporter of an illegal criminal organsiation that murdered hundreds of civillians of the UK (EG tim parry), gets a song sang about him because of his overt protestations, and the snowflake brigade on here are ashamed. Get over yourselves. Hes a horrible human with horrible beliefs. People on here have very short memories of the evil the IRA caused. What were his "overt protestations" then? On what basis do you accuse him of being an IRA supporter (I'm assuming you can't mean the loyalist organisations who also murdered hundreds)? I have a much longer memory than you give me credit for and I remember dreadful things happening to people on all sides, republican, loyalist, British. Do we take it you were one of the chanters then? I'd hope you'd have the courage to admit you were one of that courageous, principled group.
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 8, 2019 17:38:20 GMT 1
Well indeed. I for one am still very bitter about the damaged carpet in the castle. Wouldnt have expected any other sort of response from you. So no harm done then? As per your avatar you seem happy to support this sort of thing. What a ridiculous reply. So, because it was lucky that there was no serious harm, damage or loss of life that everything should be accepted. What a **** Standard Matron....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 17:45:37 GMT 1
Clearly this thread is an emotive subject for some.
Debate the topic by all means but please keep it civil.
I've just had to amend 2 posts for bad language directed at individual board members.
Thanks
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 8, 2019 17:53:39 GMT 1
Eh? But he doesn't does he. At all. And what's this about "allowed"? Who has said he shouldn't be allowed to do it? He chose to do it and now people are reacting as a result. He may do so again in the future, I doubt anyone is going to say he should't be allowed to do so. Just that people think he shouldn't do so. There were no doubt a good few lads in that lineup who weren't English or British, they didn't see a need to turn their back to prove the point. He ought to grow up and he (and anyone else too) who doesn't think an act like that isn't going to result in insults being thrown in his direction are very much mistaken. It was a really stupid thing to do. I'd like to see you try that argument with a bunch of republicans. Deary me...is that the level we're at now. So where do we go from here, are you going to tell some violent right wing nut jobs that it's OK to insult the flag, the anthem, the country? After you... And I think I have made it perfectly clear that the issue here is when he turned his back on the flag and anthem of the country he now calls home. I have no issue with his decision not to wear a poppy. This is not about solidarity with the armed forces. What many people do have an issue with however, was his actions in the US when he was playing for the Albion. And as to the reaction, well that's perfectly clear, there are many people who don't take too kind to people insulting their country. He's Irish? So what. What does that matter that he is not English, does not consider himself British. Did those other lads who aren't English or British do the same? Did they see a need to turn their back because it is not their flag, not their anthem? No, of course not. Just because he is Irish does not give him a free pass to turn his back on the flag and anthem of the country in which he now lives. If he insults the country where he now lives then its no surprise that there are those who are more than happy to throw insults right back a him. And fair enough, he brought that upon himself. What else would you expect. And its hardly a surprise that it is certain football fans that he gets stick from considering he's a...well a footballer. I think that's a given. As for Kaepernick, it certainly didn't do him or his cause any good at all. If you are going to make some political gesture its better not to do so by a lack of respect to the country in which you live because, as with McClean, you tend to find people don't like that sort of thing. He had a platform, he could have used it well. Instead he made the decision to make a statement during the national anthem. That was only going to go one way. Not sure how else I can get this through to you but when you don't show respect and insult a country you going to get it thrown back at you and you really only have yourself to blame.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 18:08:16 GMT 1
Wouldnt have expected any other sort of response from you. So no harm done then? As per your avatar you seem happy to support this sort of thing. What a ridiculous reply. So, because it was lucky that there was no serious harm, damage or loss of life that everything should be accepted. What a **** Standard Matron.... Howwible howwible Matron. You pair of snowflakes really need to lighten up. Honestly some people are offended by anything nowadays. Give me a shout if you need me to mop your furrowed brows x
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Post by shrewswolf on Jan 8, 2019 18:53:22 GMT 1
So do I, I was being sarcastic. He’s a monumental bellend. Still, some seem to think he’s the bees knees. Definitely each to their own. I have no idea what sort of person McClean is and it really doesn't matter either way. The point is he's entitled to make his peaceful protest and does so consistently, which takes some courage. I doubt many on here would do it in the reverse circumstances. Courageous James McClean! I’m delighted you think he’s courageous for standing against remembrance for those lost in war. I think he’s a disgrace.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2019 18:58:08 GMT 1
I have no idea what sort of person McClean is and it really doesn't matter either way. The point is he's entitled to make his peaceful protest and does so consistently, which takes some courage. I doubt many on here would do it in the reverse circumstances. Courageous James McClean! I’m delighted you think he’s courageous for standing against remembrance for those lost in war. I think he’s a disgrace. ever thought that it may be down to his family ? you can pick your friends but you cant pick your family but what does it matter what the reason is you dont know it but have judged anyway
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Post by tvor on Jan 8, 2019 19:12:14 GMT 1
Blimey! the level of ignorance demonstrated by some in this thread is nothing short of staggering.
I'm not going to waste my time entering into slanging matches with people who are clearly so badly informed, or maybe just plain blinkered and prejudiced. I can only suggest, and recommend, that they go away an educate themselves on British/Irish history, not over a mere 40 of 50 years but over the last 700 or 800 years in order to understand the deep and complex reasons behind why things are now as they are and how continual British interference and British policy brought this about.
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Post by venceremos on Jan 8, 2019 19:16:54 GMT 1
I have no idea what sort of person McClean is and it really doesn't matter either way. The point is he's entitled to make his peaceful protest and does so consistently, which takes some courage. I doubt many on here would do it in the reverse circumstances. Courageous James McClean! I’m delighted you think he’s courageous for standing against remembrance for those lost in war. I think he’s a disgrace. I'm delighted you seem to have given this so much thought. Have you ever taken an unpopular public stance on something that brought you a lot of hostility? If you had, you might appreciate that, whether or not you agree with the stance, it takes courage to do it. His family and the community that raised him probably don't share your views either.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 8, 2019 19:26:11 GMT 1
Blimey! the level of ignorance demonstrated by some in this thread is nothing short of staggering. I'm not going to waste my time entering into slanging matches with people who are clearly so badly informed, or maybe just plain blinkered and prejudiced. I can only suggest, and recommend, that they go away an educate themselves on British/Irish history, not over a mere 40 of 50 years but over the last 700 or 800 years in order to understand the deep and complex reasons behind why things are now as they are and how continual British interference and British policy brought this about. I don't want to get int a slagging match but I would just like to understand whether you would have no issue and deem it perfectly acceptable say if England fans booed the Irish national anthem at games? Considering the history of the two nations? Ad that the past trumps the present and the future when looking to what is and is not acceptable to many when looking to such things?
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