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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Dec 27, 2018 18:22:59 GMT 1
Reliably informed last Saturday that the following will be departing and no real surprises:- Coleman Emmanuel Kennedy Jones Gnahoua Morris Loft Colkett Jules Morris Hendrie Yeah right . Unless if you know Ricketts or Caldwell I don’t believe that for a second
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 18:25:10 GMT 1
I would be disappointed to see Bryn Morris leave. He's playing at this level with Wycombe so must have something about him.
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Post by criftins on Dec 27, 2018 18:34:00 GMT 1
If true then looks like two centre backs coming in which to me is the number priority with a new keeper. If we are being brutally honest neither Waterfall or sadly Sadler are good enough now to take us forward to where we are looking to be ie a top ten side.
Can’t imagine we’ll find a proven goal scorer especially in the January window everyone else either wants them or won’t let them go.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 18:40:48 GMT 1
Luke Waterfall is on a 3 year deal so I can't see him going anywhere soon.
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Post by londonshrew75 on Dec 27, 2018 18:57:10 GMT 1
We messed up last season by having 1 keeper on loan and the other in on a 1 year deal. January will all be about if the lad goes back to Rangers. Let's face it if we loose him we could be in trouble, even though he spends big chunks of games missing. This will test Ricketts contacts that he must have considering he has recently finished playing. I've got a feeling we'll end up getting Edwards back as a "gee em up" panic policy as a replacement. Centament will only last a while though.....
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Post by venceremos on Dec 27, 2018 18:59:44 GMT 1
Reliably informed last Saturday that the following will be departing and no real surprises:- Coleman Emmanuel Kennedy Jones Gnahoua Morris Loft Colkett Jules Morris Hendrie Getting rid of Morris twice over? Clearly not in our future plans then …..
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Post by TheFoz on Dec 27, 2018 19:12:03 GMT 1
We need a new LB.
That will allow Beckles to compete with Sadler and Waterfall for a place at CB.
A new striker is essential too but that’s going to be hard to come by in January.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 19:26:57 GMT 1
I would be very disappointed if Morris left.
I look at Norburn and I look at Morris and think, we could have saved a quarter of a million there.
Anyhow, a good guess would be Jones, Hendrie and Gnahoua to leave. Apart from them, who knows.
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 27, 2018 20:01:48 GMT 1
We need a new LB. That will allow Beckles to compete with Sadler and Waterfall for a place at CB. A new striker is essential too but that’s going to be hard to come by in January. Could of taken a chance on Shankland pre-season, he was available at £200,000ish (Their chairman admitted he would have accepted that). Roll on 6 months and he's got 28 goals in 24 games and talks of a move to Rangers/Celtic for £600k is on the cards.
Plenty of other examples, Jayden Stockley at Exeter is a good one. Would have been cheaper before the start of this season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 20:26:02 GMT 1
I would be very disappointed if Morris left. I look at Norburn and I look at Morris and think, we could have saved a quarter of a million there. Anyhow, a good guess would be Jones, Hendrie and Gnahoua to leave. Apart from them, who knows. Sadly Morris didn't get a look in under Askey. Is Norburn justifying his large transfer fee? From what I've seen so far I don't think so.
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Post by JohnG on Dec 27, 2018 20:34:30 GMT 1
Agree with sentiments above, Bryn Morris is deserving of a future at this club in my opinion. Unfortunately I don't make those decisions!
We've sent him to Wycombe to get games under his belt, which he has done pretty well I believe. A player who was too quickly and easily shipped out by Askey.
There are plenty who could be allowed to leave, but would need clubs to take on their contracts so we don't have to pay them off.
Jones, Jules, Hendrie, Gnahoua have no future here. Loft and Kennedy were very poor signings and not good enough. Abo Eisa could be another possibility.
Coleman, Colkett will return to parent clubs.
Arnold has a stay of execution as number 2 keeper.
Could be interesting when the transfer window opens. Although I would expect quality loans in rather than too many permanent additions.
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Post by northwestman on Dec 28, 2018 11:10:35 GMT 1
Reliably informed last Saturday that the following will be departing and no real surprises:- Coleman Emmanuel Kennedy Jones Gnahoua Morris Loft Colkett Jules Morris Hendrie Getting rid of Morris twice over? Clearly not in our future plans then ….. LJL survives again then!
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Post by northwestman on Dec 28, 2018 11:16:39 GMT 1
I have a feeling Morris doesn't want to come back. I remember reading some article about him where he states that he is really enjoying playing his football at Wycombe.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 12:19:27 GMT 1
Always great to look at players with rose tinted specs. Morris would not have featured so much if Ogogo had not got injured. Nowhere near as good as Norburn. Midfielders we don't lack and I feel more sorry that Colkett is probably going (attitude ) as he has shown potential.
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Post by venceremos on Dec 28, 2018 13:48:02 GMT 1
Always great to look at players with rose tinted specs. Morris would not have featured so much if Ogogo had not got injured. Nowhere near as good as Norburn. Midfielders we don't lack and I feel more sorry that Colkett is probably going (attitude ) as he has shown potential. Isn't it possible that Morris is now a better player, having been a regular starter at Wycombe, than he was here, playing his first full season in a bits and pieces, filling in role? I'd say that was very likely. I'd also say it seems to be you that's looking at our current midfield with rose tinted specs. It's good on its day but has yet to show the consistency we need to improve our position. Too many mistakes and too many dips in form from game to game and even during games. Added to which we'll lose Docherty in May, if not sooner. We might be foolish to write off a player performing well in a team with fewer resources, yet still 6 places and 4 points above us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 15:14:07 GMT 1
Always great to look at players with rose tinted specs. Morris would not have featured so much if Ogogo had not got injured. Nowhere near as good as Norburn. Midfielders we don't lack and I feel more sorry that Colkett is probably going (attitude ) as he has shown potential. Isn't it possible that Morris is now a better player, having been a regular starter at Wycombe, than he was here, playing his first full season in a bits and pieces, filling in role? I'd say that was very likely. I'd also say it seems to be you that's looking at our current midfield with rose tinted specs. It's good on its day but has yet to show the consistency we need to improve our position. Too many mistakes and too many dips in form from game to game and even during games. Added to which we'll lose Docherty in May, if not sooner. We might be foolish to write off a player performing well in a team with fewer resources, yet still 6 places and 4 points above us. I assume then that your argument would also include El Abd. Sorely needed by your reckoning in our defence which is the Achilles Heel not the midfield.
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Post by venceremos on Dec 29, 2018 12:58:23 GMT 1
Isn't it possible that Morris is now a better player, having been a regular starter at Wycombe, than he was here, playing his first full season in a bits and pieces, filling in role? I'd say that was very likely. I'd also say it seems to be you that's looking at our current midfield with rose tinted specs. It's good on its day but has yet to show the consistency we need to improve our position. Too many mistakes and too many dips in form from game to game and even during games. Added to which we'll lose Docherty in May, if not sooner. We might be foolish to write off a player performing well in a team with fewer resources, yet still 6 places and 4 points above us. I assume then that your argument would also include El Abd. Sorely needed by your reckoning in our defence which is the Achilles Heel not the midfield. Our having an achilles heel would imply that we are generally strong with one critical vulnerability. We are not generally strong, we're generally average, in all positions. But your comparison is nonsense, unless you're claiming El Abd was also a young pro in his first full season when he was with us …. indeed.
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Post by tvor on Dec 29, 2018 15:55:23 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 18:21:01 GMT 1
I assume then that your argument would also include El Abd. Sorely needed by your reckoning in our defence which is the Achilles Heel not the midfield. Our having an achilles heel would imply that we are generally strong with one critical vulnerability. We are not generally strong, we're generally average, in all positions. But your comparison is nonsense, unless you're claiming El Abd was also a young pro in his first full season when he was with us …. indeed. Morris was not a young pro. He had a season and a half to make his mark with us and was never really successful. He had been around a bit and never really cut it anywhere. He did have one recommendation from Jimmy Floyd (impressive eh). The defence has always been our problem from pre-season to now. Last season we were hanging on to narrow wins thanks to the defence. Not so this.
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Post by venceremos on Dec 29, 2018 20:17:09 GMT 1
Our having an achilles heel would imply that we are generally strong with one critical vulnerability. We are not generally strong, we're generally average, in all positions. But your comparison is nonsense, unless you're claiming El Abd was also a young pro in his first full season when he was with us …. indeed. Morris was not a young pro. He had a season and a half to make his mark with us and was never really successful. He had been around a bit and never really cut it anywhere. He did have one recommendation from Jimmy Floyd (impressive eh). The defence has always been our problem from pre-season to now. Last season we were hanging on to narrow wins thanks to the defence. Not so this. You mean the same Bryn Morris who joined us less than 2 years ago, aged 20, having played more than twice as many games for England at all levels (many as captain) from U16 to U20 as he’d played first team club games, which were mostly on short loans? That “not a young pro” Morris? I repeat: Last season was his first as a first team pro. He didn’t do badly at all but we had a particularly good loanee. This season he appears to have progressed and his team is doing better than us. So yeah, just like El Abd ... Not sure why you think JFH’s recommendation is to be mocked either. Apart from his impressive playing career, he did manage a small club to promotion from this division. On that basis, would you dismiss the recommendations of almost every Salop manager ever?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 20:41:44 GMT 1
Morris was not a young pro. He had a season and a half to make his mark with us and was never really successful. He had been around a bit and never really cut it anywhere. He did have one recommendation from Jimmy Floyd (impressive eh). The defence has always been our problem from pre-season to now. Last season we were hanging on to narrow wins thanks to the defence. Not so this. You mean the same Bryn Morris who joined us less than 2 years ago, aged 20, having played more than twice as many games for England at all levels (many as captain) from U16 to U20 as he’d played first team club games, which were mostly on short loans? That “not a young pro” Morris? I repeat: Last season was his first as a first team pro. He didn’t do badly at all but we had a particularly good loanee. This season he appears to have progressed and his team is doing better than us. So yeah, just like El Abd ... Not sure why you think JFH’s recommendation is to be mocked either. Apart from his impressive playing career, he did manage a small club to promotion from this division. On that basis, would you dismiss the recommendations of almost every Salop manager ever? He took over Rowett's top of the league side and failed everywhere else when he thought he was too big for little old Burton. Unlike Hurst who built a side but thought he was too big for little old Shrewsbury and has so far failed. Jacobson is the only player with a Shrewsbury connection playing for Wycombe that could feel hard done by Salop. I seriously cannot see how Morris could ever compare with our current midfield. Ogogo wouldn't get into it and his reserve wouldn't do either. Nolan last year was the only one comfortable on the ball. I would say that all four present incumbents are comfortable on the ball.
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Post by tvor on Dec 30, 2018 14:28:56 GMT 1
I have a feeling Morris doesn't want to come back. I remember reading some article about him where he states that he is really enjoying playing his football at Wycombe. He did, but reading the Wycombe forum most would be surprised if we didn't recall him. I'll be disappointed if we don't.
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Post by venceremos on Dec 30, 2018 18:53:49 GMT 1
You mean the same Bryn Morris who joined us less than 2 years ago, aged 20, having played more than twice as many games for England at all levels (many as captain) from U16 to U20 as he’d played first team club games, which were mostly on short loans? That “not a young pro” Morris? I repeat: Last season was his first as a first team pro. He didn’t do badly at all but we had a particularly good loanee. This season he appears to have progressed and his team is doing better than us. So yeah, just like El Abd ... Not sure why you think JFH’s recommendation is to be mocked either. Apart from his impressive playing career, he did manage a small club to promotion from this division. On that basis, would you dismiss the recommendations of almost every Salop manager ever? He took over Rowett's top of the league side and failed everywhere else when he thought he was too big for little old Burton. Unlike Hurst who built a side but thought he was too big for little old Shrewsbury and has so far failed. Jacobson is the only player with a Shrewsbury connection playing for Wycombe that could feel hard done by Salop. I seriously cannot see how Morris could ever compare with our current midfield. Ogogo wouldn't get into it and his reserve wouldn't do either. Nolan last year was the only one comfortable on the ball. I would say that all four present incumbents are comfortable on the ball. Burton had lost 5/15 under Rowett, they lost 3/30 under Hasselbaink. So, who contributed most to getting that team to win the league? Yeah, rubbish “achievement “. I’m not saying Morris walks into this midfield in January. I’m saying he was good, seems to have improved, is still young and can get better. His pedigree through the junior national teams tells anyone that. Two further things. Docherty could leave next month and will leave in just over 4 months and Grant will be 32 next summer, so let’s not think this midfield is for the long term. Second point - if this midfield was as good as some think (and I’ve been guilty of this), we’d dominate more games and be a lot higher up the table. The truth is it’s good in spells but those spells are too short and not produced consistently enough. Norburn has yet to prove he’s a 90 minute player, Laurent makes a lot of mistakes, Docherty isn’t always a dominant force and teams sometimes play around Grant - all good players and the youngsters are improving, like Morris. In its good spells, this season’s midfield is better than last season’s but, for consistent effectiveness, last season’s wins easily so far. To return to the original point, it seems rash to me to think we can discard Morris on the basis that he wasn’t a first choice in his first full season.
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Dec 30, 2018 21:20:43 GMT 1
Meanwhile...back on topic
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Post by Dale on Dec 30, 2018 23:28:28 GMT 1
Don't know if Toto is back in favour at Ipswich but if not any chance of getting him back on loan. We really miss his pace in the centre of defence. Maybe joined by Nolan or Edwards if Docherty is recalled by Rangers. Expensive options I know but if we can free up some wages from players going out on loan maybe a possibility. Nah sod him, not after the way he slapped in his transfer request three days before the start of the league season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 23:46:53 GMT 1
The radio team were talking about Dave Edwards yesterday and Nick Southall mentioned local boy Billy Jones as someone who like Edwards would like to play for his hometown club
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Post by thesensationaljt on Dec 31, 2018 0:01:41 GMT 1
I've not heard any rumours sofa, but Jones will be 32 in March, hasn't played for Rotherham since October, then gets a game in December, and promptly gets sent off. Suddenly he gets homesick for Shrewsbury.
Whatever......
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Post by Dale on Dec 31, 2018 13:31:09 GMT 1
The radio team were talking about Dave Edwards yesterday and Nick Southall mentioned local boy Billy Jones as someone who like Edwards would like to play for his hometown club Where is Billy Jones now? Last I heard of he was at Sunderland but I know he isn’t there now.
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Post by Stavvy on Dec 31, 2018 13:45:08 GMT 1
The radio team were talking about Dave Edwards yesterday and Nick Southall mentioned local boy Billy Jones as someone who like Edwards would like to play for his hometown club Where is Billy Jones now? Last I heard of he was at Sunderland but I know he isn’t there now. He's at Rotherham Dale. Hardly played this season and got his chance in their last game but got sent off.
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Post by 18stfc86 on Dec 31, 2018 14:01:01 GMT 1
New goalkeeper coming in on a season long loan.
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