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Post by Minormorris64 on Aug 6, 2019 10:33:28 GMT 1
I didn't enjoy Tony Blair winning 3 Elections, but I didn't spend the next however long trying to reverse the result, you just get on with life, its too short as it is
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 19:34:59 GMT 1
I didn't enjoy Tony Blair winning 3 Elections, but I didn't spend the next however long trying to reverse the result, you just get on with life, its too short as it is Well, if you didn't exercise your right to vote in a GE every 4/5 years, that's your hard luck.
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Post by Drew on Aug 6, 2019 21:22:10 GMT 1
This is democracy in action. At last the referendum result is going to be implemented. Referendum vote was to leave, general election both biggest parties stood on a manifesto to leave and European elections the three leave parties picked up most seats. Likely hood is a general election in November so no one can moan at anything being undemocratic. You might not like the results of the above but that's something different. Fantastic isn't it. Feeling very excited.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 6, 2019 21:57:27 GMT 1
I didn't enjoy Tony Blair winning 3 Elections, but I didn't spend the next however long trying to reverse the result, you just get on with life, its too short as it is Well, if you didn't exercise your right to vote in a GE every 4/5 years, that's your hard luck. Can we look forward to getting a referendum every 4/5 years? Even if we could we won't be able to get back in the EU with our current terms. So it's a one off, that's what makes it so much more important than having to put up with Maggie or Blair until the mood of the electorate changes.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 6, 2019 22:23:00 GMT 1
I can't wait to find out how my life will be enriched after October.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 6, 2019 22:33:53 GMT 1
I can't wait to find out how my life will be enriched after October. Don't worry, the masters of mis-information are in charge. All we have to do is whistle a happy tune keep calm and cling on.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Aug 7, 2019 8:52:17 GMT 1
I didn't enjoy Tony Blair winning 3 Elections, but I didn't spend the next however long trying to reverse the result, you just get on with life, its too short as it is Well, if you didn't exercise your right to vote in a GE every 4/5 years, that's your hard luck. I ALWAYS vote, have done so in EVERY national and local election and 2 referendums since 1982.
The point I was trying to get across was pretty simple, but if you don't want to take it on board then hey-ho.
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 7, 2019 9:16:09 GMT 1
Well, if you didn't exercise your right to vote in a GE every 4/5 years, that's your hard luck. I ALWAYS vote, have done so in EVERY national and local election and 2 referendums since 1982.
The point I was trying to get across was pretty simple, but if you don't want to take it on board then hey-ho.
We knew what you were saying, those with a certain blinkered, and now quite hysterical viewpoint chose to take it the wrong way. The obsession with overturning democracy is quite sickening.
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Post by salop27 on Aug 7, 2019 10:23:07 GMT 1
Another shameful attempt by the Labour party to take power seems to be in motion with McDonnell saying Labour wouldn't block a 2nd Scottish independence referendum. This will no doubt encourage a Labour/Snp pact to try to set up a new government if the government falls in a no confidence vote. So the possible break up of the UK is a price the labour party are willing to pay to get into power,cant get much lower.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 7, 2019 10:55:15 GMT 1
This masters of mis-information tendency is catching on at all levels of the Conservative party.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Aug 7, 2019 13:39:12 GMT 1
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-war_consensusI can’t remember if I’ve posted the above link before in this discussion, and I don’t really care. “Consensus” was what delivered the great period of growth in living standards following WWII. Left and right differed on how to arrive at our goals, but the majority agreed on what Britain should look like and what direction it should be heading in. The lack of it currently is the single greatest failure of Leave and is what will ultimately scupper Brexit. We’re in a situation where young people, young families such as my own, still just starting out in life in real terms despite many of us now being mid to late 30s following the “lost decade” after the Global Financial Crisis, are staring at the increasingly likely prospect of another deep recession in a country which still hasn’t recovered from the last one, where public services are on life support as it is. For those of us living in Shropshire we’ve got primary care providers closing sites; a local Acute Trust under investigation amid safety concerns at its main sites; an Academy system groaning under the weight of deficits which sidelines experienced teaching staff in favour of overworked, exploited, younger staff who will quit after a few years and which will likely collapse itself in the event of further cuts; a Council burning its reserves with services cut to the bone; police patrols a distant memory in large parts of the County; town centres rapidly becoming ghost towns whilst national retailers announce further job cuts in the pipeline; a further significant devaluation of the pound likely to drive food and fuel inflation (in an area where most already have to commute to find work which actually pays and which is already poorly served by transport infrastructure); the spectre of a property market crash looming for many who’ve taken on mortgages at 2010s prices. A further recession in an era led by a government committed to ideological austerity will only further exacerbate these problems but there’s precious little in the way of genuine, tangible reassurance coming back in the opposite direction. This is ultimately what will stop Brexit from working. Whether Leave like it or not, you have to find a way to heal the rift and bring at least a majority of the other side with you otherwise they’ll just wrestle power back the moment the demographics shift in their favour again. Personally, I’m sad to say this but I’ve had a renewed interest in jumping ship, renting my house out and trying life abroad for a little while whilst this all blows over (if it ever does) and am going to have yet another go at convincing the wife to give it a shot. Just don’t like the direction things are heading in, the last couple of months or so in particular, and am lucky enough to have a profession there’s a market for abroad. I suspect a lot more people in my position (young, educated, professional people) will come to similar realisations (to be honest, I know a number who have already). A country where people who are able to flee, is not a good long term outlook. But still, at least we’ll be “free”, eh?
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 7, 2019 14:05:27 GMT 1
That's why it's important (above), leaving - a one off trip into the unknown, no chance to reverse or reconsider.
All this after a reasonably stable financial climate throughout our stay in the EU, with the only turbulence being worldwide financial crisis.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Aug 7, 2019 14:37:12 GMT 1
That's why it's important (above), leaving - a one off trip into the unknown, no chance to reverse or reconsider. All this after a reasonably stable financial climate throughout our stay in the EU, with the only turbulence being worldwide financial crisis. Exactly why I find it hard to take as a young working adult I came out of university into a job market that was just about recovering to pre-financial crash levels and just as things were progressing the country votes for a massive economic shock that will most probably take us into a recession for a number of years - just for once I'd like to work in a climate that isn't recovering from a recession...
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Post by frankwellshrews on Aug 7, 2019 14:56:58 GMT 1
That's why it's important (above), leaving - a one off trip into the unknown, no chance to reverse or reconsider. All this after a reasonably stable financial climate throughout our stay in the EU, with the only turbulence being worldwide financial crisis. Exactly why I find it hard to take as a young working adult I came out of university into a job market that was just about recovering to pre-financial crash levels and just as things were progressing the country votes for a massive economic shock that will most probably take us into a recession for a number of years - just for once I'd like to work in a climate that isn't recovering from a recession... Typical entitled millennial.
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Post by salop27 on Aug 7, 2019 15:29:01 GMT 1
That's why it's important (above), leaving - a one off trip into the unknown, no chance to reverse or reconsider. All this after a reasonably stable financial climate throughout our stay in the EU, with the only turbulence being worldwide financial crisis. Exactly why I find it hard to take as a young working adult I came out of university into a job market that was just about recovering to pre-financial crash levels and just as things were progressing the country votes for a massive economic shock that will most probably take us into a recession for a number of years - just for once I'd like to work in a climate that isn't recovering from a recession... Not sure exactly how you expect us to be in a recession for a number of years? A short, sharp shock for sure but not years as this will not be a global problem like 2008.
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Post by highlandshrew on Aug 7, 2019 15:36:17 GMT 1
Exactly why I find it hard to take as a young working adult I came out of university into a job market that was just about recovering to pre-financial crash levels and just as things were progressing the country votes for a massive economic shock that will most probably take us into a recession for a number of years - just for once I'd like to work in a climate that isn't recovering from a recession... Not sure exactly how you expect us to be in a recession for a number of years? A short, sharp shock for sure but not years as this will not be a global problem like 2008. Excuse me for asking, but what professional qualifications do you have to back-up such a bold assertion.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Aug 7, 2019 15:56:33 GMT 1
Exactly why I find it hard to take as a young working adult I came out of university into a job market that was just about recovering to pre-financial crash levels and just as things were progressing the country votes for a massive economic shock that will most probably take us into a recession for a number of years - just for once I'd like to work in a climate that isn't recovering from a recession... Not sure exactly how you expect us to be in a recession for a number of years? A short, sharp shock for sure but not years as this will not be a global problem like 2008. Genuine question here; what's at stake for you if things go wrong and why is it worth gambling on some poorly defined vision of the future?
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 7, 2019 16:00:25 GMT 1
Exactly why I find it hard to take as a young working adult I came out of university into a job market that was just about recovering to pre-financial crash levels and just as things were progressing the country votes for a massive economic shock that will most probably take us into a recession for a number of years - just for once I'd like to work in a climate that isn't recovering from a recession... Not sure exactly how you expect us to be in a recession for a number of years? A short, sharp shock for sure but not years as this will not be a global problem like 2008. Have you considered the other scenario? After Brexit we will be desperate to get trade deals in place, desperate negotiators get bad deals.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Aug 7, 2019 16:05:52 GMT 1
That's why it's important (above), leaving - a one off trip into the unknown, no chance to reverse or reconsider. All this after a reasonably stable financial climate throughout our stay in the EU, with the only turbulence being worldwide financial crisis. And there was me thinking that according to the world and his wife , that those rotten Conservatives were taking us to hell in a handcart over the last 10 years ?
You can't have it both ways ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 16:27:41 GMT 1
That's why it's important (above), leaving - a one off trip into the unknown, no chance to reverse or reconsider. All this after a reasonably stable financial climate throughout our stay in the EU, with the only turbulence being worldwide financial crisis. And there was me thinking that according to the world and his wife , that those rotten Conservatives were taking us to hell in a handcart over the last 10 years ?
You can't have it both ways ?
Have you needed to visit A&E in the last few years?
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Aug 7, 2019 16:37:17 GMT 1
Exactly why I find it hard to take as a young working adult I came out of university into a job market that was just about recovering to pre-financial crash levels and just as things were progressing the country votes for a massive economic shock that will most probably take us into a recession for a number of years - just for once I'd like to work in a climate that isn't recovering from a recession... Not sure exactly how you expect us to be in a recession for a number of years? A short, sharp shock for sure but not years as this will not be a global problem like 2008. Hope I'm wrong but I'm going from the government's official assessment from: www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/exiting-the-european-union-committee/news-parliament-2017/consequences-no-deal-business-report-published-17-19/ It says in it “And yesterday’s latest forecast from the independent Office for Budget Responsibility that a no-deal Brexit could cause a £30bn hit to the public finances, with an economy pushed into recession and asset prices and the pound falling sharply, will only add to the deep concerns of UK businesses." Of course it could all be baloney, but I think a recession is far far more likely then an economic upturn? Also hard to argue with their accuracy as the pound has nearly reached parity with the euro...
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Post by Minormorris64 on Aug 7, 2019 16:41:47 GMT 1
And there was me thinking that according to the world and his wife , that those rotten Conservatives were taking us to hell in a handcart over the last 10 years ?
You can't have it both ways ?
Have you needed to visit A&E in the last few years? November 2009, you may remember I was a tad under the weather with an internal haemorrhage and thankfully (for some and not others maybe ) I am still here.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 7, 2019 17:04:00 GMT 1
That's why it's important (above), leaving - a one off trip into the unknown, no chance to reverse or reconsider. All this after a reasonably stable financial climate throughout our stay in the EU, with the only turbulence being worldwide financial crisis. And there was me thinking that according to the world and his wife , that those rotten Conservatives were taking us to hell in a handcart over the last 10 years ?
You can't have it both ways ?
You can have it both ways! I think you will find that the rich have got a hell of a lot richer while the poor have got poorer. The disabled have been sold down the river by Ian Duncan-Smith. The NHS is asked to do more and more without sufficient increases over the years. Local government has had to cut pretty much everything due to funding cuts from central government. Average wages have been kept lower than inflation but more and more top earners are now earning more than the Prime Minister. The moneys there, we are currently in a fairly good place financially , it's just how the Tories choose to distribute it. Witness the way money can be produced to facilitate Brexit, £100 Million just on adverts in the media isn't it?
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Post by frankwellshrews on Aug 7, 2019 17:05:55 GMT 1
Have you needed to visit A&E in the last few years? November 2009, you may remember I was a tad under the weather with an internal haemorrhage and thankfully (for some and not others maybe ) I am still here. Interestingly, under the last Labour government and not far off the time when the NHS hit its highest ever public satisfaction rating of 70% in 2010: www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47472472In the nine years since that time (5 under the Coalition and 4 under the Conservatives alone) that rating has plummeted to 53%. I think you were lucky you visited when you did. I was in there when my wife had pneumonia in 2017 and we were sleeping in the corridor for hours at RSH until they realised what was going on (it was summertime and fairly hot; it honestly reminded me of when I lived in Latin America or the lityle health centre on Koh Mak, Thailand I had to go to once). Things done changed, as the rappers say.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 17:20:34 GMT 1
Well, if you didn't exercise your right to vote in a GE every 4/5 years, that's your hard luck. I ALWAYS vote, have done so in EVERY national and local election and 2 referendums since 1982.
The point I was trying to get across was pretty simple, but if you don't want to take it on board then hey-ho.
The point was nonsense, you can vote and vote and vote and eventually you got what you wanted. Simple.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 7, 2019 17:27:17 GMT 1
I ALWAYS vote, have done so in EVERY national and local election and 2 referendums since 1982.
The point I was trying to get across was pretty simple, but if you don't want to take it on board then hey-ho.
The point was nonsense, you can vote and vote and vote and eventually you got what you wanted. Simple. Yet you don't want the "remainers" to be able to vote and vote and vote until they might get what they want......... Not even one measly confirming vote?
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 7, 2019 17:36:54 GMT 1
The point was nonsense, you can vote and vote and vote and eventually you got what you wanted. Simple. Yet you don't want the "remainers" to be able to vote and vote and vote until they might get what they want......... Not even one measly confirming vote? It's not "one confirming vote". Plenty including Lucas have come out and said if leave won again they still wouldn't accept it. What you're seeing is the far left up in arms because they cannot get their own way for once.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 7, 2019 17:46:01 GMT 1
Yet you don't want the "remainers" to be able to vote and vote and vote until they might get what they want......... Not even one measly confirming vote? It's not "one confirming vote". Plenty including Lucas have come out and said if leave won again they still wouldn't accept it. What you're seeing is the far left up in arms because they cannot get their own way for once. The time to be up in arms that anyone is still not accepting the result is surely after a sensible confirming vote has been held?
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 7, 2019 17:52:16 GMT 1
It's not "one confirming vote". Plenty including Lucas have come out and said if leave won again they still wouldn't accept it. What you're seeing is the far left up in arms because they cannot get their own way for once. The time to be up in arms that anyone is still not accepting the result is surely after a sensible confirming vote has been held? You're missing the point, plenty have already said they still wouldn't accept the result if leave won again. Where's the point in leave winning by more to be in the same position with the hysterical far left again.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 7, 2019 17:59:24 GMT 1
The time to be up in arms that anyone is still not accepting the result is surely after a sensible confirming vote has been held? You're missing the point, plenty have already said they still wouldn't accept the result if leave won again. Where's the point in leave winning by more to be in the same position with the hysterical far left again. The point would be that you would have removed their arguments such as "it's three years since the referendum", "we didn't know the details", "nobody voted for "no deal", etc.
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