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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 19:37:15 GMT 1
I posted on here many months ago that I was struck by how subdued I felt MM was in one of his weekly interviews and how it concerned me.............some may recall........... Obvious to me that he's man enough to say "My way Roland or yours"......and many of us know that's nothing new apart from MM is making it known.......... I hope he gets his way cos anyone with half a footballing brain knows we'll always be a yoo yoo club if he does'nt......... Good Luck Mickey in my book 100% behind ya fella................. Agree with most of this and hope MM stays. But when you mention " his way" i do wonder if MM and Town are compatible beyond this season. His way, based on last season (and that interview) is buying experienced fairly expensive players in. That worked fine in L2 where we could be a decent sized fish in a smallish pond (and could even attract L1 level players like Weso, NKP ans Lawrence) and he did a fine job knitting them into an excellent team. But in L1 we're up against teams with serious budgets. The only way we'll have success is bringing in proven L1 players down the spine and mixing with younger promising talent from L2 and below (spending transfer fees)young players who dont make it in the league above, bringing players from the youth team and blending with 'steady eddies' like Junior Brown. Then chuck in the odd loan. The MM approach seems to be to max out on wages for lots of older players hope experience and quality shone through (plus a few young uns who never get a run in the side so can't improve). So if MM stays then great, but if he goes because he can't implement a model I think can't work in L1 then fair enough to all involved and thanks for everything.
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Post by crowshrew on Apr 30, 2016 19:44:21 GMT 1
I can't believe the amount of people on here, that seem to think he's a great manager, when he's a ten a penny lower league manager,who's shown a lack of tactical awareness all season, with some bizarre signings. He discarded last year's defence, has signed players like Grandin, that haven't played a single minute for us, told Vernon to leave, then brought him back, only to prefer the donkey Vassell. What is it, that makes some of you think he's a good manager, as any one of us could've picked the team better than he has. As recently as last Tuesday, he admitted to picking the wrong team. Let's have some fresh ideas for next season.
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Post by shrewforever on Apr 30, 2016 19:46:02 GMT 1
Agreed African..........I should of made my reference to " my way Roland or your way " a little more specific ie " let me get on with doing what I'm paid for "...........
Which were the exact words spoken to me by at least two former employees who passed through the continuing revolving door.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 19:51:02 GMT 1
I think people are reading into this interview what they themselves want to happen ie. MM leaving. I was astonished, and so was everyone in my car, when the first reaction to the interview on BBC Shropshire infered that he was leaving. We all thought nothing of the sort.
The only thing that occured to me was that he mentioned the targets he was set. Promotion in his 1st season and staying in League One in the second. I always thought the assunption was a rebuild in the first season due to the huge turnover of playing staff. The "unexpected" promotion largely caught them out having to pay promotion bonuses to those on 2 year contracts thus the trouble with FFP. Had we achieved promotion at the end of the 2 years many of those expensive players could have been released at the end of their contracts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 20:04:45 GMT 1
I think people are reading into this interview what they themselves want to happen ie. MM leaving. I was astonished, and so was everyone in my car, when the first reaction to the interview on BBC Shropshire infered that he was leaving. We all thought nothing of the sort. The only thing that occured to me was that he mentioned the targets he was set. Promotion in his 1st season and staying in League One in the second. I always thought the assunption was a rebuild in the first season due to the huge turnover of playing staff. The "unexpected" promotion largely caught them out having to pay promotion bonuses to those on 2 year contracts thus the trouble with FFP. Had we achieved promotion at the end of the 2 years many of those expensive players could have been released at the end of their contracts. "I've got a lot of things swimming around in my head that I'll have to sort another day" "I'll sit down with the Chairman and see what's next" Suddenly calling us shrewsbury and not the usual us or we His while deflated tone. Plenty there to allow people to get the feeling he may well be off.
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Post by shrewforever on Apr 30, 2016 20:07:15 GMT 1
Exactly crowshrew.................... lets have some new and fresh ideas............. but maybe from SOMEONE else other than the Manager, who has made mistakes both in my mind and by his own admission, which I find extremely refreshing that hes admitted to. For instance I find it particularly sad that MM seems to be the catalyst behind the new training facilities, the expansion of the work in the Community, the overhaul of a fledgling scouting system from absolutely no recruitment policy previously in my understanding, and I could go on. We are a Club living in the past, trying to run things in the same way as they were run years ago......times change and we dont change with them. Just a final aside who was responsible for the idiotic policy of not filling the ground to the rafters by offering some discounting ticketing for todays game, as important a game in my mind as Exeter away in the great escape season. Is anyone seriously suggesting that was another mistake made by The Manager? ?
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Post by shrewsace on Apr 30, 2016 20:08:26 GMT 1
I think people are reading into this interview what they themselves want to happen ie. MM leaving. I was astonished, and so was everyone in my car, when the first reaction to the interview on BBC Shropshire infered that he was leaving. We all thought nothing of the sort. The only thing that occured to me was that he mentioned the targets he was set. Promotion in his 1st season and staying in League One in the second. I always thought the assunption was a rebuild in the first season due to the huge turnover of playing staff. The "unexpected" promotion largely caught them out having to pay promotion bonuses to those on 2 year contracts thus the trouble with FFP. Had we achieved promotion at the end of the 2 years many of those expensive players could have been released at the end of their contracts. "I've got a lot of things swimming around in my head that I'll have to sort another day" "I'll sit down with the Chairman and see what's next" Suddenly calling us shrewsbury and not the usual us or we His while deflated tone. Plenty there to allow people to get the feeling he may well be off. And: "My objective when I came here was to get us promoted first season and stay in League One the second season - I've done that now."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 20:27:26 GMT 1
I understand why someone people would like to see MM moved on, its frustrating watching the majority of teams outplay us this season and recruitment of players hasn't been brilliant in the last 12 months, but for me I'd like to see him stay and backed financially to a degree which is sustainable.
The players and management will have learnt from this season, I'm sure if MM is still in charge for next season he knows what calibre of player is required, we have to work within our limits, we cannot compete with teams like Wigan who will out do us on finances resources etc so its not an easy job.
Personally I'd like to see some consistency at the club instead of falling into the routine of changing managers regularly like many clubs do, after confirming our place in L1 for another season today I see no reason to make a change in that area, on the pitch yes but off it no, Mellon knows who's good enough for L1 in this squad and who isn't, appropriate additions in the summer and I'll be happy to see MM in charge come August, sticking with what we have seems a safer option the making a rash decision now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 20:33:53 GMT 1
I think people are reading into this interview what they themselves want to happen ie. MM leaving. I was astonished, and so was everyone in my car, when the first reaction to the interview on BBC Shropshire infered that he was leaving. We all thought nothing of the sort. The only thing that occured to me was that he mentioned the targets he was set. Promotion in his 1st season and staying in League One in the second. I always thought the assunption was a rebuild in the first season due to the huge turnover of playing staff. The "unexpected" promotion largely caught them out having to pay promotion bonuses to those on 2 year contracts thus the trouble with FFP. Had we achieved promotion at the end of the 2 years many of those expensive players could have been released at the end of their contracts. "I've got a lot of things swimming around in my head that I'll have to sort another day" "I'll sit down with the Chairman and see what's next" Suddenly calling us shrewsbury and not the usual us or we His while deflated tone. Plenty there to allow people to get the feeling he may well be off. As I said people are reading into that what they want to hear. He has a lot swimming around.....plans for next season, staff etc. "I'll sit down with the chairmen..." Do they usually make contact via email or is this a weekly appointment? Shrewsbury are a great club. Not we are a great club... surprising choice of words...not. Deflated....we lost!!!!
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Post by crowshrew on Apr 30, 2016 20:36:57 GMT 1
Exactly crowshrew.................... lets have some new and fresh ideas............. but maybe from SOMEONE else other than the Manager, who has made mistakes both in my mind and by his own admission, which I find extremely refreshing that hes admitted to. For instance I find it particularly sad that MM seems to be the catalyst behind the new training facilities, the expansion of the work in the Community, the overhaul of a fledgling scouting system from absolutely no recruitment policy previously in my understanding, and I could go on. We are a Club living in the past, trying to run things in the same way as they were run years ago......times change and we dont change with them. Just a final aside who was responsible for the idiotic policy of not filling the ground to the rafters by offering some discounting ticketing for todays game, as important a game in my mind as Exeter away in the great escape season. Is anyone seriously suggesting that was another mistake made by The Manager? ? Fair comment. I'm sure there's lots of good things that MM has done, and theres other people at the club that need a kick up the jacksi, but ultimately it's MM that has signed players and picked the team each week.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 20:37:57 GMT 1
"I've got a lot of things swimming around in my head that I'll have to sort another day" "I'll sit down with the Chairman and see what's next" Suddenly calling us shrewsbury and not the usual us or we His while deflated tone. Plenty there to allow people to get the feeling he may well be off. And: "My objective when I came here was to get us promoted first season and stay in League One the second season - I've done that now." Which merely justifies his position and nothing else should be read into it. It is also surprising that most contributors to this thread do not represent the views of the poll or the one currently on Facebook which are hugely supportive of MM.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 20:46:19 GMT 1
"I've got a lot of things swimming around in my head that I'll have to sort another day" "I'll sit down with the Chairman and see what's next" Suddenly calling us shrewsbury and not the usual us or we His while deflated tone. Plenty there to allow people to get the feeling he may well be off. As I said people are reading into that what they want to hear. He has a lot swimming around.....plans for next season, staff etc. "I'll sit down with the chairmen..." Do they usually make contact via email or is this a weekly appointment? Shrewsbury are a great club. Not we are a great club... surprising choice of words...not. Deflated....we lost!!!! It was just all in stark contrast to his usual interview style. Definite air of resignation about it all in my opinion.
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Post by shrewsace on Apr 30, 2016 20:50:52 GMT 1
And: "My objective when I came here was to get us promoted first season and stay in League One the second season - I've done that now." Which merely justifies his position and nothing else should be read into it. It is also surprising that most contributors to this thread do not represent the views of the poll or the one currently on Facebook which are hugely supportive of MM. I'm in the Micky to stay camp - certainly not reading what I want into it. That comment taken in context with the rest of the interview at the very least strongly suggests he's considering his position. Sure it's not you who's hearing what you want to?
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Post by BlueTone on Apr 30, 2016 21:04:12 GMT 1
Sounds to me like he's upping the ante with the Chairman, back me or else. Mind games Hope he wins.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Apr 30, 2016 21:52:29 GMT 1
Another way of looking at Micky's message is he is ambitious and wants to keep improving and manage at this level but needs the investment to build a strong enough squad. It's whether it's with us or another club.
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Post by onthepitch on Apr 30, 2016 21:58:20 GMT 1
Maybe the biggest give away was when he said he could speak freely now... Only points to one thing surely!?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 22:04:14 GMT 1
Maybe the biggest give away was when he said he could speak freely now... Only points to one thing surely!? That we' re safe
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 22:36:56 GMT 1
Which merely justifies his position and nothing else should be read into it. It is also surprising that most contributors to this thread do not represent the views of the poll or the one currently on Facebook which are hugely supportive of MM. I'm in the Micky to stay camp - certainly not reading what I want into it. That comment taken in context with the rest of the interview at the very least strongly suggests he's considering his position. Sure it's not you who's hearing what you want to? Final sentence of the interview "WE have to learn from today and do things differently". Tell me what I should read from that.
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Post by shrewsace on Apr 30, 2016 22:39:34 GMT 1
I'm in the Micky to stay camp - certainly not reading what I want into it. That comment taken in context with the rest of the interview at the very least strongly suggests he's considering his position. Sure it's not you who's hearing what you want to? Final sentence of the interview "WE have to learn from today and do things differently". Tell me what I should read from that. Whatever you want, I'm not going to presume to 'tell' you what to think. You have your interpretation of the interview and the likes of Monty and myself have another. That's all there is to it really.
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Post by onthepitch on Apr 30, 2016 23:01:33 GMT 1
Whatever is going to happen I doubt we have much sway either way, just have to wait and see.
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Post by Bayston Hill Shrew on Apr 30, 2016 23:42:10 GMT 1
Sounds to me like he's upping the ante with the Chairman, back me or else. Mind games Totally agree especially when yo u add the quotes to compete in league one you need league one players.
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Post by shrewinjapan on May 1, 2016 0:26:06 GMT 1
If, as some suggest, the comments were an ultimatum to the chairman to "back me financially so I can bring in L1 quality, or lose me", then I am a bit perplexed. Isn't it known that our budget was 9th highest in L1 this year, or thereabouts? We had a squad pretty much entirely built by MM himself over two seasons, which he extensively overhauled in the summer and again in January. We have had one or two long term injuries to deal with, but what club doesn't? I think such comments are disingenuous excuses to deflect blame for poor squad-building and a frankly pitiful season.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 1, 2016 0:46:20 GMT 1
Any good reporter would of sensed what Mellon was saying and should of asked 'do you want to stay as manager or are you considering your future? But no james bond even afterwards said he hadn't picked up in that vibe or what Mellon's comments allure too. I can't listen to Bond for long he really winds me up. Prior to the game today he was asking a fan who his player of the year was, his second question was; what flavour pie are you eating. Can't be doing with the bloke. He should be asking if MM wants a bigger slice, is RW getting crusty, should we be filling in the corners, do we need new people to take a steak in the club, are the fans treated like mushrooms and are Radio Shropshire reporters too chicken to ask the hard questions.
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Post by camdenshrew on May 1, 2016 4:35:59 GMT 1
His success at Fleetwood was based on out spending everyone else. Not a road I think this club can go down. If he wasn't happy with the quality this season's signings you have to wonder why some were given lengthy contracts. Absolutely. He declared at the start of the season he was happy with the squad and it was the strongest he had ever had.
At the same time, the squad he has assembled has got plenty of seasoned League One operators in it, and some of those that aren't - Brown, Agogo, Kaikai - are contenders for player of the season.
That interview sounded to me like the was trying to justify a spate of mistakes in recruitment, selection and tactics and now wants to throw money at the problem. We just about got away with it and could have done a lot better than we did. Just look at Burton.
I think just about on balance he deserves the chance to put it right but if he decides to go, then so be it.
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Post by camdenshrew on May 1, 2016 4:50:30 GMT 1
Any good reporter would of sensed what Mellon was saying and should of asked 'do you want to stay as manager or are you considering your future? But no james bond even afterwards said he hadn't picked up in that vibe or what Mellon's comments allure too. I can't listen to Bond for long he really winds me up. Prior to the game today he was asking a fan who his player of the year was, his second question was; what flavour pie are you eating. Can't be doing with the bloke. Yes, some of Bond's stuff is sub Alan Partridge. Anybody who was half decent would have latched on to the sub-text of that interview and pushed Mellon harder. I suppose we will have to wait to see if Tim Nash got anything more.
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Post by shrewsfan71 on May 1, 2016 6:54:40 GMT 1
Thanks Shrewinjapan for pointing out what I was amazed no one had mentioned until now in this discussion, namely that we have had the ninth biggest budget in the division. Surely that should not equate to having to rely on a surprise win by an already relegated club to keep us in L1. Again yesterday MM preferred Cole to JLAA, and again he had virtually no impact on the game in the 55 minutes that he was on the pitch. We can all point to many other bizarre selections, tactics and transfers. I am afraid that like many others, I am ambivalent as to whether he stays or goes, regardless of all the excellent work he has done off the pitch. The majority of us watch the team at home, and 13 home defeats just isn't good enough. And yes, James Bond is terrible - I usually switch off when I hear him come on.
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Post by shrewder on May 1, 2016 6:54:57 GMT 1
Just see it as an end of season statement reminding fans he has achieved what he set out to do. Now he will meet with the Chairman to discuss how to take things forward.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 1, 2016 8:10:00 GMT 1
Just remember that 9th biggest in league 1 was at the very start of the season. Post Jan after the cull it's been nothing of the sort, and the warning signs are that next year we could be looking at a budget that reflects where we ended up this season.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 8:14:14 GMT 1
Just remember that 9th biggest in league 1 was at the very start of the season. Post Jan after the cull it's been nothing of the sort, and the warning signs are that next year we could be looking at a budget that reflects where we ended up this season. If you're right a cheeky bet on Jacko as manager might be worth it.
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Post by Exkeeper on May 1, 2016 8:44:19 GMT 1
I can't believe the amount of people on here, that seem to think he's a great manager, when he's a ten a penny lower league manager,who's shown a lack of tactical awareness all season, with some bizarre signings. He discarded last year's defence, has signed players like Grandin, that haven't played a single minute for us, told Vernon to leave, then brought him back, only to prefer the donkey Vassell. What is it, that makes some of you think he's a good manager, as any one of us could've picked the team better than he has. As recently as last Tuesday, he admitted to picking the wrong team. Let's have some fresh ideas for next season. He picked the same team for Walsall that had played so well three days earlier at Gillingham. He would have been hammered by the experts whose knowledge of football management comes from playing computer games, if he had dared to change it. He saw at Walsall even quicker than most of us, that it wasn't working, and had the bottle to change it. Every manager makes signings which don't work out. I make plenty of mistakes, even in my advancing years, you are obviously lucky if you don't.
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