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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 9:59:39 GMT 1
Just gets me if it was st Patrics day every one would be out drinking the black stuff, and hes got sod all to do with us apart from making pubs money, Exactly. Had a similar conversation yesterday. Some english people (not me) may well go out for a drink on st pats day (though the overwhelming majority won't) but thats all it is, an excuse to get drunk. Even amongst the irish, its just an excuse (as if its needed) to get s**t faced. There is no great celebration of identity, or culture, or history, or any of the other stuff some people bleat on about any more is it? And either way, its very different for wales, scotland and ireland. Without wishing to belittle them in any way or big ourselves up, they have throughout history lived in the shadow of England in so many arenas. Maybe its a case that they feel they need to big up their history and culture more than we do, a point well made by venceremos. Our cultural stamp is clear and visible not just here but in every corner of the earth, be that a good thing or bad, i see no need to wave a st georges flag in my back garden. As for st george, although a strong christian i don't believe in all that saints bollox, it was created by the church to enslave the common man.
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Post by shroplad on Apr 24, 2015 11:45:55 GMT 1
It was St. George's day 21 years ago that we beat Northampton to go up. I was stuck at Shrewsbury Maternity waiting for my wife to give birth to Jonathan. He arrived at 2.45 pm and I missed the match! You think that my wife being a midwife could have speeded things up a bit! Anyway, Jonny and I will be at Cheltenham tomorrow to hopefully see us promoted again 21 years later. Strange , these coincidences!
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Post by atcham jack on Apr 24, 2015 12:00:04 GMT 1
Bore Da! I stand by Thomas Auden's account of History of Shrewsbury. and Henry Pidgeon's Memorials of Shrewsbury where he reminded us Shrewsbury was made a city in 1538 by Henry V111 and a Bishop of Shrewsbury created. foolishly the Burgesses of the Borough turned down the City but accepted the Bishop.
IMO Shrewsbury should be called Royal Shrewsbury Town, because so many kings held their summer court in the town to avoid the stench of London, as I reminded Chelsea fans when we gave them the game! I have also reminded Beverley the Mayor of Shrewsbury that we deserve the title royal and if a majority agree a City!
Floreat Salopia, Amwythig Am Byth, COYB.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 12:42:41 GMT 1
My view is quite simple, people should not be forced or feel pressurised into celebrating it, its down to freedom of choice. Personally I do but I appreciate plenty of people aren't particularly patriotic unless there are things like sporting events, again down to personal choice.
What I do wonder though is why some people who dont celebrate are so keen and determined to undermine people who want to celebrate it.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 24, 2015 13:43:33 GMT 1
My view is quite simple, people should not be forced or feel pressurised into celebrating it, its down to freedom of choice. Personally I do but I appreciate plenty of people aren't particularly patriotic unless there are things like sporting events, again down to personal choice. What I do wonder though is why some people who dont celebrate are so keen and determined to undermine people who want to celebrate it. I don't think that's the case, at least not for the majority of us who don't find any need or desire to celebrate it. What I would ask, rather like Evan Davis was asking Nigel Farage the other evening, is on what basis does any "patriot" assume that his or her definition of patriotism and what it means to them is the one true faith? Yours is a version of patriotism but why should that be the only one? There are many things about England, and Britain, that I love, which I'd say might qualify me as patriotic. It's just that the things I love about this place don't revolve around flags, mythical saints or notions of truebloodedness.
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