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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 20, 2015 9:14:07 GMT 1
Problem is that they way the tickets have been sold its a no for me.
For example my folks went to get tickets they are getting old and did not want to sit at the back and were told they had to as that's the tickets they were selling at the time... people were not given a choice.
there will be issues though, remember Crewe away a few years back, lots of folks just binned off sitting where they were told in a sold out stand and it was chaos around me.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 20, 2015 9:23:40 GMT 1
Perhaps something the SP could bring up with Matt Williams. Could away clubs provide a seating plan and fans be able to select their seats like at the theatre? Extra work for ticket staff I know but could the question be asked please.
Another point, why is it clubs are so adamant about allocated seats but so reluctant to make folks sit afterwards even if other people can't see. PS I am NOT anti our standers in any way but it does seem double standards by stewards.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 20, 2015 9:30:52 GMT 1
Bit of a farce isn't it. I suspect when it comes to it the stewards might just leave it be considering the numbers travelling. All well and good enforcing allocated seating with the odd 100 fans or so. Quite another with near on 1700 travelling. Hope everyone gets to enjoy the day anyhows. Fingers crossed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 9:32:24 GMT 1
This is going to be chaos.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 20, 2015 9:38:42 GMT 1
Hopefully not. The biggest problem, if the stewards go for sit where you like,will be those who fans who don't normally travel away wanting to sit in their allocated seats. Those of us who are fortunate/unfortunate enough to go whatever are vey relaxed about the whole thing and know standers at the back and sitters at the front. Normally though if you just say calmly and politely the stewards have said sit where you like it doesn't become a problem.
Like I said before the main problem comes when stewards contradict each other!!
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Post by Pilch on Apr 20, 2015 9:51:31 GMT 1
to me this thread/poll was a bigger waste of time than the 'super sunday polls'
its pretty clear that the majority don't like this idea but the minority will still have no respect and try to force their plan
may i suggest those that want to stand get there as soon as the turnstile opens and fill up the back rows
don't turn up late and think you can bully your way into achieving this thats where the chaos starts and has total disrespect to fellow town fans
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i'm not against this idea of standing at the back i think in this day and age it could be and should be accommodated and if all town songs were pro stfc and not childish s**te, i'd join them
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Apr 20, 2015 10:09:23 GMT 1
Voted no, just simply because the madness it will bring.
Although I enjoy standing up I respect the person behind me not want to have some 6ft 1 bloke standing up for 90 mins at the front.
If wasn't such a large following I'd voted 'yes' however.
Sure be plenty of chances to stand next season at places like Wigan etc.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Apr 20, 2015 10:11:02 GMT 1
That said if the stewards as soon as you arrive tell you its NOT allocated seating then do whatever, thing is some people will go to their seat printed on their ticket.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 20, 2015 11:00:39 GMT 1
Can I point out that if you put a poll up you should respect the result even if it doesn't suit you So I take it it's sit or stand in your allocated seat (if directed to do so) otherwise you'll cause chaos p.s I've got 4 seats in Row H stand 3 which I believe is towards the back behind the goal. I'll happily stand BUT if allocated seating is enforced I will stand in MY seat so just hope others respect that when I arrive p.p.s taken from football ground guide :- Neil Le Milliere, a visiting Exeter City fan, informs me 'I have found some of the stewarding to be over the top, and some supporters were ejected from the ground for little reason'.
p.p.p.s. also taken from football ground guide - a review by a Southed Fan this year..... The steward said that we could sit where we liked so if found a seat next to the unnecessary netting which cordoned off the end of the stand (closest to the in2print Stand).
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 20, 2015 11:29:36 GMT 1
There is no way any seating will be enforced.
A big crowd of singers will be at the back, fairly early, and everyone will just do their best to find a seat.
Every time there's a big drama about seats and standing it always sorts itself out.
It's going to be chaos. Loads of fans will be drunk. There will be singing in the pubs. The atmosphere will be rocking and salop will be promoted.
What's not to love?
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 20, 2015 12:00:49 GMT 1
There is no way any seating will be enforced. A big crowd of singers will be at the back, fairly early, and everyone will just do their best to find a seat. Every time there's a big drama about seats and standing it always sorts itself out. It's going to be chaos. Loads of fans will be drunk. There will be singing in the pubs. The atmosphere will be rocking and salop will be promoted. What's not to love? What's not love, Dave? Everything if you're wrong!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 14:24:10 GMT 1
A fellow Town fan emailed Cheltenham outlining how much chaos allocated seating, combined with the way the tickets were sold, will cause. Here is the reply from Cheltenham.
From: "Andy Dalgetty" <Andy.Dalgetty@ctfc.com> Subject: Shrewsbury Town - Allocated Seating Date: Mon, Apr 20, 2015 13:43
Dear XXXXX,
Cheltenham Town have allocated Shrewsbury Town as many tickets as possible, we have even moved some of our season ticket holders. If you refer to the GUIDE FOR SAFETY AT SPORTS GROUNDS (GREEN GUIDE) Chapter 6.10 Admission policies Unallocated seating we would have had to reduce the allocation we sent you by 5-10%. Approx 160 tickets.
Saturdays fixture will be all ticket and allocated seating.
I hope tomorrows night result goes in your favour and you are already promoted before Saturday.
Regards
Andy Dalgetty
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Post by lenny on Apr 20, 2015 15:34:44 GMT 1
Can't get there myself but the responses from people who've voted no and then explained why on this thread seem to suggest they should have voted yes but haven't looked at what's actually being proposed. Still, hope it gets sorted out fellas. Would have thought that most standers and singers will be congregated fairly close together; most of our away fans are reasonable enough to swap, I'd have thought. Hopefully the prospect of promotion will ensure there's a decent atmosphere anyway.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 20, 2015 18:01:24 GMT 1
Can't get there myself but the responses from people who've voted no and then explained why on this thread seem to suggest they should have voted yes but haven't looked at what's actually being proposed. Still, hope it gets sorted out fellas. Would have thought that most standers and singers will be congregated fairly close together; most of our away fans are reasonable enough to swap, I'd have thought. Hopefully the prospect of promotion will ensure there's a decent atmosphere anyway. Spot on Lenny. The 'no' vote seems to be in protest at people not respecting those sat behind them. In reality, this idea was an attempt to do something about that by taking a slightly different collective approach to the problem as opposed to the usual individualistic free for all which suits very few. The sad thing is that, whilst I and others like me will respect the majority view, others will still do exactly as they please so we'll end up with exactly the kind of situation the no voters are describing. Never mind, just don't come whinging to me when your view is blocked by people inconsiderately standing at the front on Saturday. Furthermore, there's a big difference between what club officials will say in an official email and what will actually happen in practice. I can't honestly believe that they would expect to enforce allocated seating without allowing fans a choice of where to sit (or stand). If that is the case then it's a serious error of judgment. The way the tickets have been sold suggests to me that CTFC aren't aiming to enforce a seating plan, regardless of what they'll admit to in correspondence. Anyway, as TBH says, it'll probably all work out on the day. Hope everyone has a great afternoon in Cheltenham.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 20, 2015 19:04:08 GMT 1
"it'll probably all work out on the day" basically means the plan goes ahead regardless of the fact that town fans have said no, cheltenham have said no
we all knew that would happen
it always does
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Post by northwestman on Apr 20, 2015 19:16:04 GMT 1
2 to 1 in favour of the 'nos' seems fairly conclusive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 20:00:10 GMT 1
My god, the thoughtlessness and selfishness of some people never cease to amaze me, you can legislate for most things, but stupid is one you cannot. in a way, thank god I am not going.....
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 20, 2015 20:16:19 GMT 1
My god, the thoughtlessness and selfishness of some people never cease to amaze me, you can legislate for most things, but stupid is one you cannot. in a way, thank god I am not going..... Care to elaborate on that, Downie? Seems a tad unfair to label people stupid, thoughtless and selfish for attempting to come up with a common sense solution to a problem particularly as the poll was undertaken with the express intention that I would vow not to press the issue further if the majority were opposed as they appear to be (can't speak for others though, but I've had little success getting that point across). Still, why let the facts get in the way of a sanctimonious whinge, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 20:33:45 GMT 1
Not a sanctimonious whinge, just the reality. but basics are very simple, people may want to sit down, in allocated seats, so if you want to stand and risk being thrown out, then fill your boots, but if some one asks you to move out of the way do not get offended. Remember its the stander who is breaking the ground regs not the person who sits down.
The allocated seating allowed 160 or so more town fans to watch was is possibly the day they get promoted, so it has to be allocated seating. STUPID, THOUGHTLESS and SELFISH, yep I stick by that many people will not even be aware of this plan, as not all ticket holders go on social media, people may have got tickets that like to sit down, being at the back of the stand, which gives the best view of the pitch, why should they move? and how many people will berate them for that? and then selfish, because you have done a poll of people with a resounding response against the possibility, and people have labelled it as not really knowing what they have done, as it does not fit the agenda.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 20, 2015 20:48:23 GMT 1
Never going to be a problem for me anyway, as since the Leeds away debacle I'll always go into the seated area on the halfway line with the home fans.
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Post by saleshrew on Apr 20, 2015 20:54:44 GMT 1
Really not overly arsed about all this. Am going to sit in my allocated seat - and stand if nobody behind me minds - and sit if they do - don't get what all the faff and fuss is about to be honest - stood at Bury and spent half the evening stood next to some cock who kept leaning across and blocking my view - before finally effing off during the second half...
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Post by victorsboots on Apr 20, 2015 21:00:28 GMT 1
I'll be travelling with two fifty plus persons and one in her 70s so we all will need to sit down - the stand up rule doesn't work for us.
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Post by shrews1987 on Apr 20, 2015 21:03:46 GMT 1
With 1700 Town fans going allocated seating is the only logical way. I'm sure the majority will have tickets with friends and groups so why should they be forced to 'split up' because people want to congregate at the back of the stand. The same applies to those who can't stand up for 90 minutes. In an ideal world this would work, but it seems that with a sell out on the cards then it would disadvantage more than it would please
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Post by northwestman on Apr 20, 2015 21:13:33 GMT 1
Just 2 quick questions.
1. Why do ANY fans wish to stand up?
2. What are their reasons for wanting to do so?
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Post by Valerioch on Apr 20, 2015 21:55:29 GMT 1
Just 2 quick questions. 1. Why do ANY fans wish to stand up? 2. What are their reasons for wanting to do so? For me 1) Football can and should be watched either sitting or standing 2) it creates a better atmosphere No surprise vocally bury was the best this season, as we had the oat standers of the season
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 20, 2015 22:17:33 GMT 1
I'll be travelling with two fifty plus persons and one in her 70s so we all will need to sit down - the stand up rule doesn't work for us. Just to clarify, the suggestion was for those who wish to stand to congregate at the back of the stand with those who prefer therefore able to enjoy an unimpeded view at the front. At no point has anyone suggested that there should be a blanket standing rule. Anyway, the nos appear to have it so this will be my last word on the topic.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Apr 20, 2015 23:12:46 GMT 1
The easy way to sort this, is Cheltenham stooards to shout, "every Juan with haemorrhoids make yer way to the back".
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Post by Pilch on Apr 21, 2015 8:08:31 GMT 1
as i mentioned already
the atmosphere at cheltenham last time i was there was pretty good this only happened as a result of being forced into allocated seats and pro sensible easy town songs being sung
seems to me that some of our fans are unsociable and hate mixing with the average fan
they get together and all of a sudden pro town songs go out of the window and along come unwanted songs
who the f****** hell are you
cheltenhams a s**thole i want to go home
its nice to know your here.....
its not rocket science
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Apr 21, 2015 9:11:53 GMT 1
as i mentioned already the atmosphere at cheltenham last time i was there was pretty good this only happened as a result of being forced into allocated seats and pro sensible easy town songs being sung seems to me that some of our fans are unsociable and hate mixing with the average fan they get together and all of a sudden pro town songs go out of the window and along come unwanted songs who the f****** hell are you cheltenhams a s**thole i want to go home its nice to know your here..... its not rocket science Well expect 'thats why you're going down' to be sang..... :-O
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Post by ipswichshrews on Apr 21, 2015 9:28:13 GMT 1
Thinking about songs from the past, the likes of going down the otley road and my old man said follow the town have not had a rendition for a while.
I cannot make it on Saturday but normally sitting down isn't a problem and I am still able to sing and shout.
Did it this morning around the breakfast table with my 3 yr old daughter singing Salop!
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