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Post by El Presidente on Mar 24, 2015 12:48:47 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 14:00:21 GMT 1
A Sky reporter has twice stated it was going at its full speed of 24 knots during the crash. At least the expert pointed out that was rubbish.
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Post by Dancin on Mar 24, 2015 14:22:06 GMT 1
Very sad news.
But how long will it take for Terrorism to be mentioned?
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Post by El Presidente on Mar 24, 2015 14:55:06 GMT 1
A Sky reporter has twice stated it was going at its full speed of 24 knots during the crash. At least the expert pointed out that was rubbish. When informed journalism fails... That figure was taken from skyscanner, whilst the aircraft was parked at Barcelona.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 24, 2015 16:15:34 GMT 1
Awful news. My first thought when it was reported is why do they fly over such hostile terrain when it clearly puts you at a disadvantage when you have difficulties. But anyhows, RIP to those who have lost their lives.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 16:31:16 GMT 1
Sad news.
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Post by El Presidente on Mar 24, 2015 16:50:49 GMT 1
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Post by Amsterdammer on Mar 25, 2015 7:26:08 GMT 1
Awful news. My first thought when it was reported is why do they fly over such hostile terrain when it clearly puts you at a disadvantage when you have difficulties. But anyhows, RIP to those who have lost their lives. Haven't looked at a map to check but you don't have a lot of choice
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 10:42:32 GMT 1
Strange course of events leading to the crash when you consider that;-
a) The plane had a steady decline, descending at a rate of about 3-4,000ft per minute, which is standard for an airport approach, in the remaing 8 minutes of flight b) It has been confirmed there was no Mayday call, but originally I am sure it was reported there had been? c) The accident happened in daylight so how come in that case no Mayday, as the the steady decline could indicate some kind of fault? d) Speaking to my cousin an experienced Captain who has flown for Easyjet, BA and others it just would not happen that the aircrew would allow such a descent and do nothing.....unless something had effected them personally.......
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Post by El Presidente on Mar 25, 2015 14:32:12 GMT 1
Strange course of events leading to the crash when you consider that;-
a) The plane had a steady decline, descending at a rate of about 3-4,000ft per minute, which is standard for an airport approach, in the remaing 8 minutes of flight b) It has been confirmed there was no Mayday call, but originally I am sure it was reported there had been? c) The accident happened in daylight so how come in that case no Mayday, as the the steady decline could indicate some kind of fault? d) Speaking to my cousin an experienced Captain who has flown for Easyjet, BA and others it just would not happen that the aircrew would allow such a descent and do nothing.....unless something had effected them personally.......
I think we're looking at rapid incapacitation - possibly cockpit windshield failure. In this event, first rule would be to perform a rapid controlled descent. It would fit that a crew member managed to initiate the descent but that afterwards, incapacitation occurred. 38000', 400 mph, scant oxygen...you've not got a lot of room for error.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 26, 2015 9:05:33 GMT 1
So I guess everyone has seen the news this morning? If true, I guess all eyes now on the two pilots. And which one of those was in the cockpit and which was attempting to get back in... :^(
Is it possible that the plane would have lost altitude if there was no one at the controls? As in the pilot that was in the cockpit was incapacitated in some way?
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Mar 26, 2015 14:04:30 GMT 1
Co pilot to blame!
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Post by mrbunny on Mar 26, 2015 14:15:51 GMT 1
Shocking to hear them say it was a deliberate act.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Mar 26, 2015 14:20:46 GMT 1
Great shame for all those poor people, but at least there won't be another never ending load of conspiracy theory nutters doing the rounds.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 14:53:33 GMT 1
This latest turn of events is truly shocking...all this whilst families and friends are having to come to terms with the loss of loved ones. My heart goes out to them all.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 26, 2015 18:42:04 GMT 1
Great shame for all those poor people, but at least there won't be another never ending load of conspiracy theory nutters doing the rounds. Wouldn't be so sure about that. We'll be hearing all kinds of back story and speculation about the co-pilot would be my guess. I heard this news in the car just now and found it utterly shocking. The urge to kill oneself is tragic but comprehensible even, just about, when it brings others into the act of suicide. The killing of so many innocent people in the act of suicide is just incomprehensible. This makes me realise how horribly desensitised we've become that it's routine news when such acts are committed by fanatics, religious or otherwise. This is all the more shocking for being so close to home. I can only imagine the anger and sense of desolation of the victims' loved ones.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 26, 2015 18:55:46 GMT 1
Unspeakable things that seem to happen more and more. It's got to be something like this that happened to the Malaysia flight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 19:47:38 GMT 1
The next step will be to trawl through the co- pilots personal life to try and find the reason why?
Already there is speculation that he could have been in financial trouble or even that his love life could be behind his decision to crash the plane .
Whatever, and we may never really know why , his decision to kill himself and 150 others is beyond belief .
Venceremos says he can only imagine the anger and sense of desolation of the victims loved ones . I totally agree with his comment , I am sure that ,together with all posting on here , our thoughts are with the families and friends of those who lost their lives in such an horrendous manner.
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Post by mightyshrew on Mar 26, 2015 20:08:40 GMT 1
As if suicide isn't enough of a selfish act already he's taken 150 people with him too and that's just an utterly spineless repulsive act. He's no loss to this world but he's taken 150 people with him who had so much more to live!
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Post by jamo on Mar 26, 2015 20:24:01 GMT 1
Really takes some getting your head around. Those poor people and their families
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 20:45:34 GMT 1
When you read about the final moments of that flight....it all just gets grimmer and grimmer....it must have been horrendous hearing or watching that pilot trying to smash the door down to try and get back onto the flight deck and watching out of the window as the plane got lower and lower. RIP.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Mar 26, 2015 20:53:37 GMT 1
My thoughts are with the co-pilots parents and family. not only have they lost a son, they now have to come to terms with the thought that he is a mass murderer, and people will be viewing them with less than sympathy.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Mar 26, 2015 20:56:05 GMT 1
Easy jet and others have said now has to be two people in the cockpit at all times.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 26, 2015 23:39:41 GMT 1
As soon as the rate of descent was revealed this was on the cards.
Whether this sort of incident or the lunacy of trying to get an airliner to climb 6000 ft per minute some questions need to be asked about airlines' handling of their aircrew.
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Post by shrewder on Mar 27, 2015 7:32:06 GMT 1
Sadly no matter how well we know a person , we can never know what they are thinking.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 27, 2015 7:38:57 GMT 1
Sadly no matter how well we know a person , we can never know what they are thinking. True. So with that in mind it certainly makes sense that no one person is left alone in the cockpit. More so in this day and age when they can stop anyone else getting in. At least it would seem most airlines are introducing new regulations that two people must now be in the cockpit at all times. I mean those that don't already have this in place already.
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Post by shrewder on Mar 27, 2015 8:35:21 GMT 1
Sadly no matter how well we know a person , we can never know what they are thinking. True. So with that in mind it certainly makes sense that no one person is left alone in the cockpit. More so in this day and age when they can stop anyone else getting in. At least it would seem most airlines are introducing new regulations that two people must now be in the cockpit at all times. I mean those that don't already have this in place already. Yes but interestingly just heard an aviation expert on local radio who said unless the other person was a pilot that it would still not prevent such an event happening.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 27, 2015 8:43:58 GMT 1
True. So with that in mind it certainly makes sense that no one person is left alone in the cockpit. More so in this day and age when they can stop anyone else getting in. At least it would seem most airlines are introducing new regulations that two people must now be in the cockpit at all times. I mean those that don't already have this in place already. Yes but interestingly just heard an aviation expert on local radio who said unless the other person was a pilot that it would still not prevent such an event happening. I'm a bit puzzled by that to be honest. I mean the thing is that if there is just one person in the cockpit who doesn't wish to allow anyone else in then they can lock everyone else out. If there is second person in the cockpit then they could open it to others. Did he explain why?
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Post by shrewder on Mar 27, 2015 8:53:16 GMT 1
Yes but interestingly just heard an aviation expert on local radio who said unless the other person was a pilot that it would still not prevent such an event happening. I'm a bit puzzled by that to be honest. I mean the thing is that if there is just one person in the cockpit who doesn't wish to allow anyone else in then they can lock everyone else out. If there is second person in the cockpit then they could open it to others. Did he explain why? I think the point he was making was that there were other ways to disable a plane that would mean that unless the other person was qualified there would be no time to get someone to the controls to reverse the action. I agree with you though it has to help having a second person sat there
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 27, 2015 9:03:12 GMT 1
I'm a bit puzzled by that to be honest. I mean the thing is that if there is just one person in the cockpit who doesn't wish to allow anyone else in then they can lock everyone else out. If there is second person in the cockpit then they could open it to others. Did he explain why? I think the point he was making was that there were other ways to disable a plane that would mean that unless the other person was qualified there would be no time to get someone to the controls to reverse the action. Blimey! That's a scary thought.
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