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Post by shrewder on Feb 22, 2015 16:08:10 GMT 1
agree shrewder, but we can read all the comments and form an opinion. so who had a good game on Saturday? Not so sure you can.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 24, 2015 11:23:10 GMT 1
we were rubbish on the whole, worst game i've seen for many, especially the keeper and some of the defence
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 12:03:00 GMT 1
we were rubbish on the whole, worst game i've seen for many, especially the keeper and some of the defence Just seen the goals again........MrLightviler would make Bob Tooze very proud , especially the first one which Fred in the boardroom could have stopped
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 17:51:58 GMT 1
we were rubbish on the whole, worst game i've seen for many, especially the keeper and some of the defence Just seen the goals again........MrLightviler would make Bob Tooze very proud , especially the first one which Fred in the boardroom could have stopped Yes Mortgagehound and you are ..........Bob Wilson!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 19:51:17 GMT 1
Just seen the goals again........MrLightviler would make Bob Tooze very proud , especially the first one which Fred in the boardroom could have stopped Yes Mortgagehound and you are ..........Bob Wilson!!!! Many thanks Gordon West
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 20:41:30 GMT 1
Did we play long ball again today in the manner of the Tranmere game?
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Post by wollastonshrew on Feb 28, 2015 20:46:52 GMT 1
Yep, first half desperate, have to say on basis of today I would not wish to see Southern on the pitch and the fee for Barmett looks questionable .
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Post by teamof79 on Feb 28, 2015 20:54:37 GMT 1
Not at all sure what Sothern brings to our team, The Barnett transfer looking more dodgy as each game goes by. If we still have the receipt from the Barnett deal can we have our money back?
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Post by blazey on Feb 28, 2015 21:44:05 GMT 1
Based on the last two matches I think I would rather see Tom Eaves pull on the blue and amber on Tuesday night than Barnett.
Not even joking.
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Post by Matster on Feb 28, 2015 22:01:42 GMT 1
The system is at fault surely
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Post by R6ix on Feb 28, 2015 22:44:26 GMT 1
grant came on today and instantly lost the ball and gav free kick that cost us second goal,i would be happy if tyrone had come to us on a free, but he cost us,collins is a great finnisher and he is getting frustrated as we are not playing to his strengths any more,high balls into clark today was useless,im no fan of akpa either, his 100/1 chances per goal ratio needs improving,not a striker in my view,i would make a few changes on tues and give the fringe players a chance, including wildig, why he has been overlooked god knows?not the tough tackling md that mellon seems to favour?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 8:24:58 GMT 1
Barnett was involved in the build up to our two best chances before we scored in the second half. His link up play and strength will be an asset.
The problem with the team at the moment isn't to do with Barnett, but trying to find a system that works after losing NKP and Weso.
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Post by chameleon on Mar 4, 2015 12:44:29 GMT 1
Didn't play well again last night, yes i am now concerned.
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Post by twoleftfeet on Mar 4, 2015 12:53:43 GMT 1
I'm not to worried about him im more concerned that his price tag will make him undropable, even when mangan returns. Mangan has to play imo.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 4, 2015 13:20:34 GMT 1
This thread began after Barnett had started 3 games and been a sub in another. Now he's started a couple more. Is that really a long enough period for "concern"? Seems like an extreme short-term judgment to me.
Expectations were probably too high, especially aftre he scored such a good goal on debut. His career scoring average in league football is about 1 goal in 4 games, so he'll be up to that mark if he scores another 3-4 by May.
I've only seen him a couple of times and I've no idea whether he'll be a good signing or not. It's far too early to tell, especially as he doesn't look as fit as the rest of the team.
Akpro's the only one of our forwards that's seemed to carry a threat recently. Nobody's undroppable but you could as easily drop Collins on current form. He was a passenger against Northampton. He might be our top scorer but should have more. Akpro gets criticised for his conversion rate but there seem to be long spells when Collins' rate is no better. Mangan's return will be very welcome.
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Post by mightyshrew on Mar 4, 2015 13:23:53 GMT 1
In answer to the thread question.... No
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 13:29:26 GMT 1
Not concerned in the slightest about Barnett, he's joined us at a time when we have lost some key players and forced to change a formation which we have stuck to for most of the season. However there are two things which concern me though:
1) Why the team they feel they need to be more direct because he's here. He's shown to me that he does have a decent touch, has a good link up play and isnt just about being a big target man. Maybe part of it comes down to the issues with injuries/formation, hopefully we have gone back to a 3-5-2 now we will see less direct football.
2) Why fans are already being critical of a player who has played 5 games for us. I suspect some have fallen for the rubbish that he cost us £300k and therefore believe he needs to be scoring every game.
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Post by buryshrew on Mar 4, 2015 13:44:03 GMT 1
His performance last night was no worse than Collo's, in fact I thought he was more effective in the first half (from what we could see through the blxxdy rain and hail). I'm confident he'll come good, and hope that people aren't going to start scapegoating a player who's just joined us on a 2 year deal. It's not just unreasonable but also utterly self defeating.
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Post by percy on Mar 4, 2015 14:26:48 GMT 1
I'm not sure he's fully fit; but he seems a handful already - I'm confident he'll come good. However, he does seem to negatively affect Collins' game and he certainly does not put in the same shift that Collo does.
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Post by ellesmerian on Mar 4, 2015 14:28:20 GMT 1
Not concerned in the slightest about Barnett, he's joined us at a time when we have lost some key players and forced to change a formation which we have stuck to for most of the season. However there are two things which concern me though: 1) Why the team they feel they need to be more direct because he's here. He's shown to me that he does have a decent touch, has a good link up play and isnt just about being a big target man. Maybe part of it comes down to the issues with injuries/formation, hopefully we have gone back to a 3-5-2 now we will see less direct football. 2) Why fans are already being critical of a player who has played 5 games for us. I suspect some have fallen for the rubbish that he cost us £300k and therefore believe he needs to be scoring every game. At the moment Barnett is a replacement for AM who was scoring a whole lot more than 1 goal every 4 or 5 appearances. JLAA is great in many ways but conversion rate isn't great, so expectations of any new striker, especially one the club is willing to shell out for and make our own, is going to be high - it's natural regardless of price. I think the reason we've reportedly paid £300k is because the club is investing in a team that will be competitive League 1 next year. The club also have aspirations to play Championship football (Matt Williams last night). At the moment, Barnett isn't looking to be any better than other strikers here at the club already. When a club buys a striker with potential to do really well in League 1, expectation is that he'll come in do a belting job in League 2; especially with a club, that despite injuries, still makes plenty of chances. Albeit only 5 games in, you'd still expect a L1 quality striker to be making an impact in L2 or at least showing signs of doing so and this isn't happening at the moment. I'm sure he'll improve as he gains match fitness, but you don't get fit standing around in games looking uninterested. Barnett and Collins just seem to get in each others way at the moment rather than complementing each other in any way. It would be interesting to see how a 'Barnett - JLAA combo' works and then soon (hopefully), how a 'Barnett - Mangan combo' works. Maybe this will give us the opportunity to see a player who scores plenty of goals in L2 and is capable of the same in L1. Collins certainly plays better alongside Mangan, maybe Barnett needs someone different alongside him too?
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Post by Liam on Mar 4, 2015 17:29:02 GMT 1
Not concerned in the slightest about Barnett, he's joined us at a time when we have lost some key players and forced to change a formation which we have stuck to for most of the season. However there are two things which concern me though: 1) Why the team they feel they need to be more direct because he's here. He's shown to me that he does have a decent touch, has a good link up play and isnt just about being a big target man. Maybe part of it comes down to the issues with injuries/formation, hopefully we have gone back to a 3-5-2 now we will see less direct football. 2) Why fans are already being critical of a player who has played 5 games for us. I suspect some have fallen for the rubbish that he cost us £300k and therefore believe he needs to be scoring every game. At the moment Barnett is a replacement for AM who was scoring a whole lot more than 1 goal every 4 or 5 appearances. JLAA is great in many ways but conversion rate isn't great, so expectations of any new striker, especially one the club is willing to shell out for and make our own, is going to be high - it's natural regardless of price. I think the reason we've reportedly paid £300k is because the club is investing in a team that will be competitive League 1 next year. The club also have aspirations to play Championship football (Matt Williams last night). At the moment, Barnett isn't looking to be any better than other strikers here at the club already. When a club buys a striker with potential to do really well in League 1, expectation is that he'll come in do a belting job in League 2; especially with a club, that despite injuries, still makes plenty of chances. Albeit only 5 games in, you'd still expect a L1 quality striker to be making an impact in L2 or at least showing signs of doing so and this isn't happening at the moment. I'm sure he'll improve as he gains match fitness, but you don't get fit standing around in games looking uninterested. Barnett and Collins just seem to get in each others way at the moment rather than complementing each other in any way. It would be interesting to see how a 'Barnett - JLAA combo' works and then soon (hopefully), how a 'Barnett - Mangan combo' works. Maybe this will give us the opportunity to see a player who scores plenty of goals in L2 and is capable of the same in L1. Collins certainly plays better alongside Mangan, maybe Barnett needs someone different alongside him too? I'd quite like to see Barnett and JLAA on Saturday too. I think Barnett would benefit from having some real blistering pace alongside him, along with someone who's willing to pass the ball in the 18 yard box. I think Collins and JLAA is more likely though. I'm a fan of Collins, obviously, but he's bang out of form at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 17:39:28 GMT 1
I'm not to worried about him im more concerned that his price tag will make him undropable, even when mangan returns. Mangan has to play imo. I think MM is switched on enough to be utterly unconcerned by price tags and to pick his best team from the "groop" available. I'm not concerned at all. Barnett has a decent rep (though I had never heard of him) and it will take some time to find his place and form partnerships/adapt to our way of playing! In Mellon I trust!
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Mar 4, 2015 18:33:21 GMT 1
No need to be worried just yet ! He's already scored for us . And probably still isn't 100% match fit . Collins cost us money in the summer as well , so it's hardly like Barnett is a one off ! 5 games goodness me . Give the lad a chance .
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Post by twentysix on Mar 4, 2015 19:59:39 GMT 1
I keep reading all this "isn't fit" That being the case why not get him fit THEN introduce him. Very risky strategy when you are where you are - allowing a player to use matches to get fit. Last night he was poor. He was also very vocal having a poke at team mates.
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Post by vanner on Mar 4, 2015 20:08:43 GMT 1
He's not set the world alight but I'm not overly concerned. Give him a bit of time!
On the subject of his fitness. A lot of you make it sound like he's nott played for a few months. He's actually made 17 league two appearances this season. That's only 2 less than Mark Ellis and Scott Vernon as an example.
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Post by NelsonShrew on Mar 4, 2015 20:24:18 GMT 1
Not concerned at all.
He's not been bought in solely to score 15/20 a season.
Yes, he's expected to score. But he's equally been bought in to take the onus of Collins, add another dimension to our attacking play, and strengthen a weakened front line in the absence of Mangan, the unreliability in front of goal of JLAA and the fact that Scott Vernon, who despite the fact I believe to be one of our better forwards technically, hasn't quite done it.
We can argue he isn't quite match fit, but he had played a good few games this season during his spell at Oxford, but I do think he's not quite match sharp. Coupled with the fact he's been thrown into a team, who hadn't been playing a style suited to his game, both he and us have had to adapt to each other.
While I'm not expecting to top the scoring charts at the end of a season, I feel his overall contributions to our play (defensively, holding the ball up and brining others in to play) will be invaluable.
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Post by venceremos on Mar 4, 2015 20:32:37 GMT 1
He was also very vocal having a poke at team mates. Good. No reason why he shouldn't "have a poke" just because he's new. Better for the team that he does that rather than not communicate.
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Post by atcham jack on Mar 4, 2015 20:33:06 GMT 1
a little patience, he will come good. I am backing MM
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Post by venceremos on Mar 4, 2015 20:34:48 GMT 1
We can argue he isn't quite match fit, but he had played a good few games this season during his spell at Oxford, but I do think he's not quite match sharp. He played 12 games at Oxford, so that's 18 appearances in a season that's 36 games old, plus cup ties. It's not surprising he isn't as fit as the rest but he'll get there.
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Post by NelsonShrew on Mar 4, 2015 20:49:34 GMT 1
We can argue he isn't quite match fit, but he had played a good few games this season during his spell at Oxford, but I do think he's not quite match sharp. He played 12 games at Oxford, so that's 18 appearances in a season that's 36 games old, plus cup ties. It's not surprising he isn't as fit as the rest but he'll get there. Yeah, that's why I said 'match sharp' I wasn't sure on his appearances total, but that's not enough to be chasing about in the way our squad have been this season. I agree, he will get there. Patience from us in the stands and a few more games - I'm sure he will be a huge contributor as we approach the seasons end.
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