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Post by shrewinjapan on Sept 17, 2014 8:59:44 GMT 1
some club coon is going to take a Sepp Blattering from our strike force I assume that is a typo and meant to say "soon", rather than a throwback to the racist language of 30 or 40 years past?
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 17, 2014 9:01:48 GMT 1
Attendances are always low on Champions League nights. Not quite sure why the Football League schedule fixtures for these dates the football league will never win . You have people complaining about the busy early schedule (before champions league) . Then we have a Tuesday off (which is seen as a well needed break ) , then we play a game on a champions league night and they get slated for it . Maybe it's the fact Tuesday night games just have a boring feel to them . Last night I was genuinely bored for 80% of it . Mostly due to there being nobody there and it Having a reserve game feel to it . Perhaps it would have made more sense for the champions league games to have been played last week then when there were no league games.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 9:03:20 GMT 1
Why don't the Football League stop being a bunch of numpties and schedule the midweek league games so they don't clash with the televised European football. You would have thought that all the FL clubs would together and complain to the FL, maybe they have, but it would be interesting to know?
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 17, 2014 9:06:34 GMT 1
We all moan about the price being high but, it's lower than 20 years ago taking inflation COL et al into account! Blimey, is that true? Mind you, even if it were the thing you have to consider is how much disposable income folk have in this day and age. From my own experience everything (as in food, rent, heating, gas, electric, travel) is going up apart from my wage. Whether it's cheaper than way back when I'm not sure but even if it were, if you money is needed elsewhere it doesn't really help... Interested where you get that from though, that it is cheaper now than 20 years ago... Read it somewhere talking about football admission prices in general, but can't remember where so can't back up my statement but believe it to be true....
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Sept 17, 2014 9:19:48 GMT 1
The recent debacle concerning the purchase of tickets on match day has done little to entice the 'casual' fan.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 9:40:55 GMT 1
Because the ticket price is an absolute rip off, maybe?
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Post by sssalop on Sept 17, 2014 9:42:09 GMT 1
3 home games in a week is the obvious reason/excuse. But as much as people celebrate the success of the summers ticketing turnaround, let's not forget that people could pay £16 to watch L1 football, they now have to pay £20 for L2 football. That will always be a factor for casual fans. £20 IS a factor, especially with 3 home games in a few days. At least one other club tried to counteract the likelihood of a low gate with a special offer - MK Dons ran an incentive of bringing a friend for £12.50, including a pie and a pint, and managed to get around their average gate for the season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 9:44:48 GMT 1
Blimey, is that true? Mind you, even if it were the thing you have to consider is how much disposable income folk have in this day and age. From my own experience everything (as in food, rent, heating, gas, electric, travel) is going up apart from my wage. Whether it's cheaper than way back when I'm not sure but even if it were, if you money is needed elsewhere it doesn't really help... Interested where you get that from though, that it is cheaper now than 20 years ago... Read it somewhere talking about football admission prices in general, but can't remember where so can't back up my statement but believe it to be true.... How much was it to get into the Meadow in 94? Using the below calculator it seems like £13 then was roughly equivalent to £23 in 2012, so probably a little more now. It was £13 when we left Meadow if memory serves correctly so it surely was cheaper over a decade earlier?? www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1633409/Historic-inflation-calculator-value-money-changed-1900.html
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 17, 2014 9:51:32 GMT 1
Probably shouldn't comment as I no longer go, having lost a bit of interest in modern football and having been priced out of it to some degree anyway. (Maybe the second part of that is a reason for a low crowd as others have said)
But in the days that I went to 90% of the games I'd prefer an evening match to a weekend anyway - that was home OR away
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 17, 2014 9:55:08 GMT 1
Makes an early bird ST at under £13 per game a great deal Just got to plan ahead and swallow a bit of pride when things aren't going so well...
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Post by bobbyc on Sept 17, 2014 10:31:49 GMT 1
I remember it being £3 for U16s in 94, if that's any use...
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Sept 17, 2014 10:40:24 GMT 1
The only thing the club can do is win every home game . 20 quid is not bad ! And if you want value the season ticket is it . Tuesday night games against Carlisle are never going to attract 6000 crowds ! Nothing to worry about as Newport should bring a few hundred Saturday and things will be back to normal!
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Post by venceremos on Sept 17, 2014 11:20:15 GMT 1
I don't think the bizarre fixture list helps. We're already in the second batch of Tues/Sat home games (ie two home games in a week) with another to come next month. We'll have our second batch of Sat/Sat away games starting next week, with a third to come in January.
Why is it so bloody difficult for the basic structure of league fixtures to be home one Saturday, away the next? It doesn't do the clubs any favours at all - for whatever reason, a lot of people won't go to two games in the same week.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 11:37:46 GMT 1
a match programme when I starting watching Town was one shilling if that helps.............
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 11:42:08 GMT 1
a match programme when I starting watching Town was one shilling if that helps............. And Malcolm Starkey penned the secretary notes in a programme of 16 pages (8 leafs) that included 12 pages with adverts and a couple of black and whit photographs if lucky. Of course in those days we all watched black and white tv as well!
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Post by siabod on Sept 17, 2014 11:50:34 GMT 1
a match programme when I starting watching Town was one shilling if that helps............. I remember 3/6 to get in, programme 3p or 6p and "penny on the ball raffle" as you got near the entrances, prizes loudly touted, whisky,nylons cigarettes. (think it went up to 3/6 admittance soon after I started watching.) For the ones not recognising 3/6 it equaled seventeen and a half pence and my earliest wage was £1.6.0 (one pound 30 pence), someone will, I hope tell us how that compares with todays prices.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 17, 2014 12:05:45 GMT 1
The glaringly obvious problem, which faces football as a whole is that the clubs want (need??) to charge extortionate prices to cover extortionate wages vs the amount of ready cash supporters are willing to spend.
Sooner or later someone needs to realise you can't milk a cow to death.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 12:46:43 GMT 1
The fixture list is bizarre. This is the sixth week since the start of the season and there have been a minimum of 4 games scheduled for mid-week (2 x league, 1 league cup and one JPT). But then there is only one more scheduled league mid-week league game for the remainder of 2014.
Additionally there have been two instances where we have played Saturday/Tuesday at home but within a few weeks there will be two period's where we have played away on consecutive Saturday's (Hartlepool 6th September & Stevenage 13th September and then Southend 27th September & Plymouth 4th October). We (and other clubs) will no doubt be losing out financially by playing two home matches in 4 days compared to two home matches on two consecutive Saturday's. Why are they simply not home, away, home, away etc?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 17, 2014 12:57:12 GMT 1
Why are they simply not home, away, home, away etc? Just think about it for a minute would give you an answer - when the hell would you play all the other teams that play at home the same time as we play at home? It has to be this way to play every other team at home, and then away. It's always been this way for nearly 50 years that I can remember, it's nothing new.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 13:11:36 GMT 1
I think it's a combination of things as above really. People feel very p**sed off with the club still after last seasons bull s**t, an expensive time following holidays and a pretty poor couple of weeks for us.
Town need to keep working hard and smart to win fans back because for many wavering supporters, there are still more reasons not to come than to attend.
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Post by WATR on Sept 17, 2014 14:05:28 GMT 1
1981. Admission = £1.50, which is the equivalent of £5 today. 1997. Admission = £7, which is the equivalent of £11 today. 2007. Admission = £13, which is the equivalent of £15.70 today. Admission today = £20 minimum, so well above inflation, probably for any historical price you can find.
(worked out based on historical ticket prices I was able to find and the BofE inflation calculator)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 14:11:08 GMT 1
Lowest homes attendance for 7 and a half years, but fairly expected.
I said a month or so ago, as long as we can be attractive at home, and be pushing for top 3, then there will be plenty 5k plus attendances that will keep us steady.
All the signs are there that this will be the case, and we need to keep the positive momentum the club has been generating going.
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Post by jamo on Sept 17, 2014 18:04:21 GMT 1
a match programme when I starting watching Town was one shilling if that helps............. And Malcolm Starkey penned the secretary notes in a programme of 16 pages (8 leafs) that included 12 pages with adverts and a couple of black and whit photographs if lucky. Of course in those days we all watched black and white tv as well! Careful ! Malcolm is The Chairmans best friend. Can't be upsetting him can we ?
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Post by WATR on Sept 17, 2014 18:50:51 GMT 1
I remember 3/6 to get in, programme 3p or 6p and "penny on the ball raffle" as you got near the entrances, prizes loudly touted, whisky,nylons cigarettes. (think it went up to 3/6 admittance soon after I started watching.) For the ones not recognising 3/6 it equaled seventeen and a half pence and my earliest wage was £1.6.0 (one pound 30 pence), someone will, I hope tell us how that compares with todays prices. I make that 87p today. Seems crazy that you were able to get in for a fraction of your wage, today you're looking at over three hours work on the minimum wage just for one game!
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Post by venceremos on Sept 18, 2014 12:15:14 GMT 1
The glaringly obvious problem, which faces football as a whole is that the clubs want (need??) to charge extortionate prices to cover extortionate wages vs the amount of ready cash supporters are willing to spend. Sooner or later someone needs to realise you can't milk a cow to death. Are wages really extortionate at our level? I don't get that impression. Above average maybe (which is fair enough), but not extortionate.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 18, 2014 14:16:08 GMT 1
The glaringly obvious problem, which faces football as a whole is that the clubs want (need??) to charge extortionate prices to cover extortionate wages vs the amount of ready cash supporters are willing to spend. Sooner or later someone needs to realise you can't milk a cow to death. Are wages really extortionate at our level? I don't get that impression. Above average maybe (which is fair enough), but not extortionate. OK, yes you probably have a point at our level. Not 'extortionate' but probably too high for the money generated meaning it is still a problem for clubs at our level to sustain. My final comment about milking the cow to death is still relevant though whether you are talking Premier clubs paying extortionate wages or clubs at our level paying above average wages, there is only so much that fans will stump up money wise and all levels need to realise that.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 18, 2014 15:36:45 GMT 1
Are wages really extortionate at our level? I don't get that impression. Above average maybe (which is fair enough), but not extortionate. OK, yes you probably have a point at our level. Not 'extortionate' but probably too high for the money generated meaning it is still a problem for clubs at our level to sustain. My final comment about milking the cow to death is still relevant though whether you are talking Premier clubs paying extortionate wages or clubs at our level paying above average wages, there is only so much that fans will stump up money wise and all levels need to realise that.
Agree with most of that. I heard a clever argument that Premier League admission should be free, because the TV audience (and thus TV money) would plummet if there was no crowd there to generate some atmosphere. Simplistic I know (the knock on effect could devastate the lower leagues) but there's a good point in there. However, taking STFC as an example, if we operate broadly at a break even level (and we're not far off), that suggests the club isn't getting the wages/gate price balance too far wrong. I'd rather pay less (who wouldn't), but I also prefer to watch some good players and they need paying. The ticket prices were low against Blackpool and at Leicester but so were the crowds, which suggests it isn't all about price.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 18, 2014 16:39:26 GMT 1
Attendances are always low on Champions League nights. Not quite sure why the Football League schedule fixtures for these dates the football league will never win . You have people complaining about the busy early schedule (before champions league) . Then we have a Tuesday off (which is seen as a well needed break ) , then we play a game on a champions league night and they get slated for it . Maybe it's the fact Tuesday night games just have a boring feel to them . Last night I was genuinely bored for 80% of it . Mostly due to there being nobody there and it Having a reserve game feel to it . Maybe it's the rose tinted specs, but Tuesday night on the Riverside never seemed boring.
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 18, 2014 18:20:17 GMT 1
Well the low gate is now a story in the star - another 'steal' from B AND A perhaps!!!!
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 18, 2014 21:34:14 GMT 1
Well the low gate is now a story in the star - another 'steal' from B AND A perhaps!!!! Remember a few years ago when the Star made a story about Telford getting nearly as big gates as Town. We played a JPT game and Telford had a big FA Cup tie hardly a fair comparison but still got more even then.
To think the Star has gone further downhill since then too
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