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Post by atcham jack on Jan 22, 2014 18:06:39 GMT 1
There is a debate in parliament tomorrow where Labour mp David Anderson will call for the government to release all documents kept by the government in connection with the Shrewsbury 24.
the Shrewsbiry 24 including comedian Ricky Tomlinson were bulilder/labourers and members of the Union Ucatt when on 6/9/72 they were arrested and imprisoned in Shrewsbury gaol following trouble in a national building strike. they have protested their innocence for 42 years, and the government will not release documents pertaining to the dispute/trial until 2021, by which time tomlinson will be 81,
the purpose of the debate is to get the documents released earlier. however Tory justice ministers kenneth clarke and chris grayling are not likely to budge.
during the strike 5 coachloads of pickets visited 7 building sites in Shropshire, trouble flared and 24 arrests were made. the mp David Anderson has called for all the documents of the Shrewsbury Trials of 1973/4 to be made public,. Ricky Tomlinson was sentenced to 2 years in gaol. 100,000 people have signed a petition about disclosure and a miscarriage of justice.
ricky tomlinson 74 says we are not interested in pardons, we want our convictions quashed!
justice? My Arse!
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Post by atcham jack on Jan 22, 2014 18:12:52 GMT 1
the debate will be shown live on bbc parliament program about 11.15/11.30 tomorrow morning. freeview 81
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Post by Matster on Jan 22, 2014 18:17:27 GMT 1
My mum despises Ricky Tomlinson as she was blockaded with a load of mothers and babies/toddlers in a building back during the builders protest with that bunch outside causing grief. She told me he was amongst them and all of the mums were really worried and the toddlers were all crying in despair.
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Post by Chic on Jan 22, 2014 18:27:00 GMT 1
Just read a book on the Shrewsbury 24.. It's an interesting read..
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Post by WindsorShrew on Jan 22, 2014 18:51:19 GMT 1
My father was a builder - his memories of Mr Tomlinson and co are not quite so pleasant.
They harassed, threatened and beat (yes my father was assaulted) hard working honest Shrewsbury folk to prevent them going to work whether they were in the Union or not. There is a poor gent out there minus an eye due to ilk and tactics of Mr Tomlinson and co.
Loud mouthed, bully boy, militant ego maniac comes to mind.
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Post by simpsonsghost on Jan 23, 2014 13:45:48 GMT 1
On now - our MP making a right arse of himself
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Post by scooter on Jan 23, 2014 13:55:24 GMT 1
still can't understand why the papers can't be made public after 40 years though - it makes it seem as if someone has something to hide
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Post by simpsonsghost on Jan 23, 2014 13:55:54 GMT 1
Not very happy to that reference to "Brookside in Shrewsbury" Ironic this being discussed days after Lord McAlpines death, he features quite prominently in some of the discussions......
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Jan 23, 2014 14:25:15 GMT 1
The right way to deal with militant unionists if you ask me.
However as we all know, the Tories love to grovel and apologise to save face and Tomlinson being a Scouser is no doubt fixated by 'justice'.
A shame they couldn't have kept him in a bit longer, would have been spared those dire Farmfoods and The Range adverts and playing the same character in every TV show/film he appeared in.
A vile human being, will certainly be having a toast somewhere the day he snuffs it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 14:37:45 GMT 1
Bit harsh that LS . Do agree though that he is a nasty piece of work who wouldn't be missed.
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Post by jamo on Jan 23, 2014 15:25:31 GMT 1
There are 2 stories here.
Firstly the actions of those pickets at the time - which were legal, was a perfectly legitimate tactic in a very damaging time within the construction industry. The sporadic bouts of violence that accompanied the action weren't legal of course and are to be condemned.
Secondly, the undoubted state interference and influence in the trial process and the actions of the presiding judge ( all available to read for those that are interested ) that's where the mis carriage of justice comes in and why the state - no, the Conservative Party, do not under any circumstances want the official peppers released.
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Post by El Presidente on Jan 23, 2014 16:22:49 GMT 1
The right way to deal with militant unionists if you ask me. However as we all know, the Tories love to grovel and apologise to save face and Tomlinson being a Scouser is no doubt fixated by 'justice'. A shame they couldn't have kept him in a bit longer, would have been spared those dire Farmfoods and The Range adverts and playing the same character in every TV show/film he appeared in. A vile human being, will certainly be having a toast somewhere the day he snuffs it. Crivens! He's not Robert Mugabe Lesta!
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Post by atcham jack on Jan 23, 2014 16:50:03 GMT 1
2 tories spoke , 1 bigger arse than the other. 1 lib dem present. otherwise labour and snp. most interesting speech was labour mp for west bromwich, tom watson , who highlighted a conspiracy concerning a tv documentary made in 1973 by the late mp and tv broadcaster woodrow Wyatt, and made during the s24 trial, showing the court, builders demonstration outside.
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Post by shrewsace on Jan 23, 2014 16:53:20 GMT 1
I hope justice is done.
Justice isn't such a bad thing to be fixated on.
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Post by atcham jack on Jan 23, 2014 16:55:32 GMT 1
lib dem minister simon hughes wound up for the government and did a creditable job. he said appeals against convictions were ongoing and the missing papers, 1 document and 3 paras out of other docs. are withheld but will be reviewed next year and will be made available to the appeal court sitting.
a vote was pushed at the end but is not binding. for disclosure 120 against 3.
let us hope justice is done but you need a change of mp up there. a job for GT!
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 23, 2014 16:58:46 GMT 1
There are 2 stories here. Firstly the actions of those pickets at the time - which were legal, was a perfectly legitimate tactic in a very damaging time within the construction industry. The sporadic bouts of violence that accompanied the action weren't legal of course and are to be condemned. Secondly, the undoubted state interference and influence in the trial process and the actions of the presiding judge ( all available to read for those that are interested ) that's where the mis carriage of justice comes in and why the state - no, the Conservative Party, do not under any circumstances want the official peppers released. Jamo as you know it was a little more than sporadic bouts of violence it included intimidation, imprisonment, torture, violent beatings, threats of death, threats to builders families and more...... Although I've been a labour supporter all my life and a trade unionist these people to a man were scum and deserve no sympathy
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Jan 23, 2014 18:03:36 GMT 1
I hope justice is done. Justice isn't such a bad thing to be fixated on. How do you know what 'justice' is here? You cannot judge the integrity of a campaign on the amount of support it has, or be fooled by the medias interest in the 'celebrity' involvement aspect to this one. I remember when the singer from a band called 'Lamb of God' was arrested on suspicion of murder. The amount of support and calls for justice by people who liked his band went far and beyond the actual number of people that witnessed it or had any involvement in the case other than they like his music. Chanting 'justice for something' every now and again doesn't always make you right There are many, many greater injustices to people that will be unable to access government information or drum up anywhere near the amount of support this one has. Just so happens that a washed up celebrity using his position to settle an old score sells more papers.
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Post by simpsonsghost on Jan 23, 2014 18:27:24 GMT 1
2 tories spoke , 1 bigger arse than the other The right honorable member for Aldershot was a complete and utter Arse !!!!!!!!! He seem to be of the opinion you had to say everything you remembered about that year whether it was relevant or not and ultimately it led to the time allowed for each planned speaker to be reduced from 11 minutes to 4 minutes - he was warned twice, should have been red carded ! That said, Kawczynski didn't add much basically his contributions were (A) This is what happened I know because someone told me and (B) Labour should have sorted this out when they were in power Three voted against I assume these two and....................perhaps Dennis Skinner who doesn't know which bus to catch or where to stand these days, but his Cameo speech was pure Reeves and Mortimer.
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Post by scooter on Jan 24, 2014 11:23:29 GMT 1
I hope justice is done. Justice isn't such a bad thing to be fixated on. How do you know what 'justice' is here? You cannot judge the integrity of a campaign on the amount of support it has, or be fooled by the medias interest in the 'celebrity' involvement aspect to this one. I remember when the singer from a band called 'Lamb of God' was arrested on suspicion of murder. The amount of support and calls for justice by people who liked his band went far and beyond the actual number of people that witnessed it or had any involvement in the case other than they like his music. Chanting 'justice for something' every now and again doesn't always make you right There are many, many greater injustices to people that will be unable to access government information or drum up anywhere near the amount of support this one has. Just so happens that a washed up celebrity using his position to settle an old score sells more papers. Justice should be done, and should be seen to be done - what is the problem with releasing the papers so that we can know more of what happened at the time ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 11:34:15 GMT 1
How do you know what 'justice' is here? How do you?
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Post by neilsalop on Jan 24, 2014 13:03:51 GMT 1
There is more to this story than what made the papers at the time, of that there is little doubt. There was more than likely political interference with the cases, however there are still people in the Shropshire area that remember the violence and intimidation meted out by the flying pickets, of which Tomlinson was a member. Whether he was an active participant in the violence and intimidation is a moot point in my opinion, he was part of a gang, that gang did some very unsavoury things and got caught. By being in a gang you do have to accept your share of the blame when the gang do wrong. If you disagree with the methods used by the gang, you walk away. He didn't, so therefore he was complicit in anything that went on.
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Post by shrewsace on Jan 24, 2014 14:51:03 GMT 1
How do you know what 'justice' is here? How do you? Quite. Let's have the papers released, and the full facts known.
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Jan 25, 2014 1:29:59 GMT 1
Eric Tomlinson and chums led a campaign of terror in Shropshire by demolishing new builds, stealing and damaging builders equipment, physically assaulting builders and intimidating their families. In doing so several men lost their livelihoods and one man lost his sight because of this mindless violence. Most who have signed this petition and the many journalists covering this story including those of Radio Shropshire were not born when this took place or have been hoodwinked by Tomlinson. They believe that because of his fame (albeit with very limited acting skills) he is innocent, much like those who surrounded and protected Saville. There is photographic evidence available that prove Tomlinson was the main instigator of the violence, only the hacks are disinterested in finding these because it sees the 'lovable' rogue as incapable of such acts. I have spoken to many independent witnesses regarding Tomlinson and they all say that he got off too lightly and should have been jailed longer. As for Daniel Kawczynski, the man can hardly string two sentences together so I would not take his interference too seriously. I for one despise the odious little toads (that's Tomlinson and Kawczynski).
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Post by jamo on Jan 25, 2014 8:24:20 GMT 1
Most who have signed this petition and the many journalists covering this story including those of Radio Shropshire were not born when this took place or have been hoodwinked by Tomlinson. How is that relevant though ?
By the same argument yuo could attest that no one born before the Birmingahm 6 trials or events at Hillsbrorough - to name just 2- are not qualified or indeed able to come to the conclusion that they were massive misscarriages of justice carried out and condoned by agencies of our own government.
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Post by Matster on Jan 25, 2014 10:18:02 GMT 1
It does seem odd that the press reporting on it seem to be only reporting it as if they were innocent protesters done an injustice.
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Post by atcham jack on Jan 25, 2014 10:49:22 GMT 1
what concerns me is why did labour not release the papers. we know 1 document refers to communist infiltration and the 3 other missing papers are 3 paragraphs removed from 3 other documents. i smell a civil service joint goverment plot here involving tories and labour.
anyway an appeal court is at present sitting considering the safety of the verdicts 43 years ago, and justice minister Simon Hughes in summing up on thursday said the missing papers at present with the Cabinet Office will be reviewed next year, 6 years earlier.
justice for the Shrewsbury 24? My Arse!
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Jan 25, 2014 15:47:42 GMT 1
Most who have signed this petition and the many journalists covering this story including those of Radio Shropshire were not born when this took place or have been hoodwinked by Tomlinson. How is that relevant though ?
By the same argument yuo could attest that no one born before the Birmingahm 6 trials or events at Hillsbrorough - to name just 2- are not qualified or indeed able to come to the conclusion that they were massive misscarriages of justice carried out and condoned by agencies of our own government.Yes just re-read this. What I meant to say is those that have signed the petition have only heard the story from the so called celebrity and not taken in account the other side of the story. I have no doubt that the influence of him and that of the one sided media will absolve him from blame and quash his conviction.
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Post by tvor on May 3, 2019 12:15:57 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on May 3, 2019 12:27:41 GMT 1
My mum despises Ricky Tomlinson as she was blockaded with a load of mothers and babies/toddlers in a building back during the builders protest with that bunch outside causing grief. She told me he was amongst them and all of the mums were really worried and the toddlers were all crying in despair. my dad does too he used to be in the building trade and heard Ricky and co used to go around kicking down other peoples work and threatening them or worse for not wanting to join them and the militants
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Post by davycrockett on May 3, 2019 13:06:34 GMT 1
There are 2 stories here. Firstly the actions of those pickets at the time - which were legal, was a perfectly legitimate tactic in a very damaging time within the construction industry. The sporadic bouts of violence that accompanied the action weren't legal of course and are to be condemned. Secondly, the undoubted state interference and influence in the trial process and the actions of the presiding judge ( all available to read for those that are interested ) that's where the mis carriage of justice comes in and why the state - no, the Conservative Party, do not under any circumstances want the official peppers released. Jamo as you know it was a little more than sporadic bouts of violence it included intimidation, imprisonment, torture, violent beatings, threats of death, threats to builders families and more...... Although I've been a labour supporter all my life and a trade unionist these people to a man were scum and deserve no sympathy My view hasn’t changed.... SCUM
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