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Post by OldGit on May 4, 2004 11:14:10 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2004 11:18:09 GMT 1
These are the so called fans that go to the games and get behind the team Old Git - if the pressure on him made him realise what mistakes had been made then what's the problem?
JQ deserves another crack at the job next year whatever division we're in, I'll pay him his dues if he gets us promoted at the first attempt as it'll have been regarded as an extremely good season.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on May 4, 2004 11:18:14 GMT 1
Well said Old Git I stuck my neck out and said Quinn was the man for the job. Not finished yet I know and I await the GT fan club response
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 4, 2004 11:25:21 GMT 1
'so-called fans'...bit harsh that init?
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Post by OldGit on May 4, 2004 11:31:43 GMT 1
Ant
hope your journey back was safe and quick.
My post was intended to record my thanks to JQ. As for your views, I agree that a manager and his team need a bit of a gee up from time to time, I just think the extent that it reached on this Board was appalling. The proposed letter to the Board, and the slating of Streety in particular bear no resemblance to true supporters in my book.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2004 11:40:27 GMT 1
Sorry Stu but I beg to differ. The fans get behind the team at matches - the messageboard however is a place for fans to air their views.
Yes some were OTT and personal criticism/ attacks bear no fruits whatsoever, but much of the criticism that lay at JQ's door was fully applicable - for example - the weak left back spot for starters.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2004 11:47:08 GMT 1
I agree with all of what Ant has just said. People have been letting out their frustrations on the messageboard and on the whole have been positive in the ground.
Quinn has got some things blatenetly wrong this season (left back, no centre back cover, playing players out of postition, changing the starting 11 every game) but he seems to have finally sorted most of these problems out and as a result we are starting to play some better football. Does he deserve another chance next season if we dont go up? - yes.
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Post by OldGit on May 4, 2004 11:48:21 GMT 1
I totally agree Ant - like many I use the Board to let off steam. BUT I don't use it to try to incite people to write totally off the plot letters to the club - e.g. demanding the instant dismissal of JQ and his staff; nor do I use it to crucify players like Streety.
Anyway, to get back to the here and now, I just hope the fans will give JQ a proper chance. 1 season is not enough to judge any manager.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 4, 2004 11:50:34 GMT 1
We are one match away from Quinn the hero Or one from Quinn the man that got us up for about 4 or 5 games this sesaon but ultimatly failed to get us anywhere I will now shut up for 2 weeks and see what the outcome is? Old git the time for questionsing fans and Quinn is not fully upon us yet
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2004 11:53:32 GMT 1
Anyway, to get back to the here and now, I just hope the fans will give JQ a proper chance. 1 season is not enough to judge any manager. I understand what you are saying but surely people are going to get a little upset when something as blindingly obvious as the left back issue was not sorted out for months? Up until a month ago Quinn had made a lot of mistakes and achieved nothing. Now he has got us into the play offs and we are starting to play better football. We have a settled starting 11 and things are finally paying off.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2004 11:54:12 GMT 1
I appear to be a 'so-called fan'.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2004 11:57:23 GMT 1
As do the majority Gareth. We just don't deserve to stand with all these loyal guys who never have a bad word to say against anyone dd we? ;D
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Post by pawlo on May 4, 2004 12:21:16 GMT 1
I stand by everything I have said about Quinn and some of the players. For the most part, we have been awfull this year, and had we been in a league with far more half descent teams, we wouldnt in my opinion, have got anywhere near the play offs. However, as things stand at the moment, Quinn has my support, not because we are in the play off finals in particular, but because for the last 4 or 5 games, we have performed with the kind of fight and passion that I want to see from our team. The kind of passion that mirrors what we feel on the terraces. And if this new found sence of pride carries on and develops, then I think we may have the makings of a good team that we can all be proud of. Regardless of the outcome at Stoke, if they play with fight and commitment, then I will be happy for quinn to stay next season.
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Post by BringBackAuzzie on May 4, 2004 12:31:50 GMT 1
Old git, people have got as much right to come on this board and air their opinions on the failings of the manager or the playing staff as you have to come on and call these same people 'so called fans'. To belittle people who attend every every game (or like me as many as they can) by questioning their attitude as fans is quite frankly outrageous. People get emotional and often things are said in the heat of the moment but if people think these things who are you to say they can't just because you choose not to!
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Post by rob on May 4, 2004 13:10:17 GMT 1
FFS he wasnt having a go, put your handbag away He was merely saying that considering how the season has gone (position wise) the certain people perhaps lost sight of the end goal at times in their criticism of the manager and players. Thats all As for no centre back cover, well he's taken a risk and at the moment its just about paying off. KR did the same last season to disterous effects, but hey JQ is getting away with it. As for no left back, well maybe there was nothing open to us. Either way I still maintain that earlier on in the season we had greater worries than a slightly iffy left back. Yes he's played players out of position, but doesnt every manager? Remember Luke Rodgers in seasons past effectively playing as a left flanker?! Everyone has a right to criticise and voice there view (hell I do often enough) however remember no matter how s**te we play, as long as we edge our way up the league JQ is the man for the job. George Graham did it at Arsenal,O'Neil with Leicester and Celtic, Megson at West Brom and Dave Jones with Wolves (when they won promotion). These managers have all achieved their goals, despite fearsome pressure in the most part. We need to look at the long term picture not the short term which consists of throwing our toys out of the pram because we played crap and lost to XY or Z. Chill everyone, now is a time to join forces and cheer the club back to the football league, not splinter into back stabbing, back fighting hyper critical factions. WE need to be united. We need promotion And Lukey Rodgers is the man to fire us to the football League
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Post by ShrewsandRoyals on May 4, 2004 13:25:56 GMT 1
You all know where I stand on the issue of Quinn.
It was never going to be a smooth ride having some idea of things at Reading.
I've sat back and let people vent their feelings without lecturing - although I have been lectured to myself by some. It was always going to be tough for anyone following what happened last season - that's only natural.
There are always two sides to a story/issue and I respect that some may prefer to see one side of things. That's why I have stayed out of it. I like to know the full story from all sides.
With time people have become less confrontational about his playing/being sub, and other things will no doubt settle down. He really has been a great asset to have as a spare player and can't really be knocked for how he has done on the pitch. Forget the age issue - please.
Aside from everything else Moss, Aiston, and Lowe have played their best football. Tolley was great before it was apparant he needed the surgery. Rogers has had footballing and non-footballing injury to deal with, together with other things that have been resolved - it was bound to be tough dealing with all that.
Different managers do things in different ways in all walks of life. Some we approve of, some we don't. We all have to live and accept that.
All should be behind him and the team now, and be prepared to be so if they don't make it this time round. Lots of positive thinking!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2004 13:27:51 GMT 1
The JQ playing issue has nothing, as far as I'm concerned, to do with his playing ability.
It's to do with how it affects his ability to manage - after all that's his primary goal. He has admitted that whe playing it affects his ability to manage. I do wonder what effect it has had on the morale of some of the players in his squad too.
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Post by rob on May 4, 2004 13:33:23 GMT 1
Yes Ant, but as Long as JQ performs well when he plays (which he has done whilst still scoring goals) then there is no problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2004 13:41:39 GMT 1
Course there is Rob. Ask the players. But let's forget about any Quinn/Darby/Jemson/Cramb debates for two weeks and stay happy eh?
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Post by rob on May 4, 2004 13:55:06 GMT 1
Well Quinn as a player has a role that Darby can't fulfill doesnt suit luke,cramb or Banim, that is as a hold up man. Anyway I refere everyone to my origional post
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2004 14:41:07 GMT 1
Yes Ant, but as Long as JQ performs well when he plays (which he has done whilst still scoring goals) then there is no problem. Rob, on a purely playing basis I have no problem. But the guy has admitted himself that when he plays it affects his ability to manage, let alone what affects it has on other players.
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Post by OldGit on May 4, 2004 15:08:39 GMT 1
It amazes me how people only take want they want from postings, so I'll explain what I mean by "so called fans". I defend anybody's right to say whatever they want on this Board - provided they are prepared to stand by it and account for their words. My point refers to the "so called fans" who felt that they were doing the club a service by:
a. trying to launch a letter demanding JQ's immediate dismissal along with his staff.
b. trying to get RW and the Board out for failing the club.
c. reviling Streety to the extent we were asked to confirm him as the "worst player ever to wear a town shirt".
In my book, after less than a season, and given the fact that we were still well placed to do exactly what we just have, these people were not being realistic or fair in their expectations and demands. Sure, voice an opinion. By all means have a rant. But when you try to get people on this Board to follow the proposals above, that's a big ask, and one that you have to be 100% certain of before you start making " demands". Had B&A permitted the "letter" to go ahead, we would all be looking very foolish right now, not least the B&A hierarchy who would have been seen to be giving it tacit approval.
Those who were behind the blood-letting I refer to are the ones I termed "so called fans". They put up a one way argument with some outrageous demands that were neither constructive, nor realistic. If that cap fits you - so be it. Just don't ever try to pressure me into wearing it.
Bring on the Brittania!
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Post by Dale on May 4, 2004 15:23:47 GMT 1
JQ should be given credit for getting us to the play-off final, regardless of whether we win it or not. If we *do* beat Aldershot, it would be good to see all the threadsfrom after we had played Aldershot at home again, it seemed like the end of the world at the time.....
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2004 15:32:50 GMT 1
Worth taking a look at our results/performances from the last 1/4 of the season.
We were perfectly justified in our criticisms.
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Post by PeteD on May 4, 2004 15:36:06 GMT 1
Yes Ant, but as Long as JQ performs well when he plays (which he has done whilst still scoring goals) then there is no problem. [/quote ok lets put this into perspective then.....what your saying is "who cares as long as he plays well" do you really think he can play that well to get the moral of the whole team back on track as every time he picks himself he puts players noses out of joint, it has to happen lets face it a 44 year old in front of a 20-23 year old!!!!!!! i'm fairly sure all his talents can not replace the moral of 10 other players just my thoughts mind
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Post by BelleVueShrew on May 4, 2004 16:50:51 GMT 1
OldGit, I do completely agree with you an a,b and c.
A lot of players do read this message board and some of the villification of players on here has been awful.
I still stand 100% by what I say about JQ though. I know what I know and promotion will not change those things.
However, I remain as always right behind the team and that includes Jimmy when he is playing. Despite my criticisms of him as a manager, I believe he has been excellant as a player and has justified his place in the team (taking out here the effect on team morale and his ability to manage).
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 4, 2004 17:28:59 GMT 1
In fairness Old git when the 3 things you mentioned above were mooted – we were outside a playoff place, so its not like we are doing this now
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Post by SimonR on May 4, 2004 18:30:38 GMT 1
I think it's more due to the fact that Chester and Hereford have been exceptionally good rather than the failings on your part. It would be asking at bit too much for Quinn to get more than 90 points on your first season back in the Conference.
Given that most ex-league sides take so long to return, being promoted at the first attempt after relegation is an achievement which in my opinion mustn't be underestimated.
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Post by SimonR on May 4, 2004 18:36:21 GMT 1
being promoted at the first attempt after relegation is an achievement which in my opinion mustn't be underestimated. ...if and when that happens!
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 4, 2004 19:04:19 GMT 1
Ant I just think the extent that it reached on this Board was appalling. Rubbish
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