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Post by OswestrySalopian on Feb 17, 2011 2:14:49 GMT 1
In tonight's FA cup replay with local rivals Bolton, they only managed to pull in a woeful 7,515 maybe 1,500 of which i'd imagine were Bolton fans. It makes you wonder how a club like this can survive in the Premier league.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 7:37:10 GMT 1
just over 2000 Bolton fans at the DW - half what was taken for the league game there. Unbelievably, lots of trouble both pre and post match! WTF!
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Post by shrewinjapan on Feb 17, 2011 8:05:41 GMT 1
In tonight's FA cup replay with local rivals Bolton, they only managed to pull in a woeful 7,515 maybe 1,500 of which i'd imagine were Bolton fans. It makes you wonder how a club like this can survive in the Premier league. That conundrum will be moot come May methinks!
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Post by northwestman on Feb 17, 2011 8:58:35 GMT 1
I'd imagine the Rugby League side gets better gates!
Once Wigan drop out of the Premier League I can see them in freefall. It just isn't a football town.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 17, 2011 9:39:15 GMT 1
I don't understand how some folk think to be honest. Pretty much all top flight clubs seen their cup attendances dropping because it"s not cheap to buy tickets to football these days... Wigan is a town with a very long and rich Rugby League heritage. It is very close to long established top flight clubs in Liverpool and Manchester. However, more to the point...Wigan isn't some metropolis from which the club can draw support. Wigan is a small town. Wikipedia gives the town's population as a little over 80,000. Where are folk expecting these thousand of fans to come from? Playing top flight football is not a green light to see thousands and thousands of fans turning up to watch the town's club. First off, the catchment has to be there in the first place to draw from...and Wigan don't have that. If we were playing Wxm or Walsall would in the same round would we see any more than that turn up? Doubt it. All things considered I think Wigan have done wonders to get the amount they have in every week, their crowds are superb...more so when you think how many were watching them a little over ten years ago. As for woeful support? I do thin that's a tad rich coming from a Town fan. Have you checked the attendances when we were plying our trade in the 2nd division? Have you heard how quiet it is at Oteley Road at times? For me, credit where credit is due to Wigan...fair play to them...
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Post by onthetrain92 on Feb 17, 2011 10:50:28 GMT 1
Lets be honest they were a nobody club the last time we got promoted out of this division in 1994. They had all that money pumped into them, been in the premier league quiet a substancial time yet get crowds that poor. Wait for them to drop down a couple of divisions, they will average less than we do right now.
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Post by Throbbing Gristle on Feb 17, 2011 11:41:22 GMT 1
Shows what a truly stunning job Dave Whelan has done.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Feb 17, 2011 11:48:59 GMT 1
Lets be honest they were a nobody club the last time we got promoted out of this division in 1994. They had all that money pumped into them, been in the premier league quiet a substancial time yet get crowds that poor. Wait for them to drop down a couple of divisions, they will average less than we do right now. What do you expect? Just because money's put in doesn't mean the support goes with it. If someone like Whelan suddenly started financing Shrewsbury and made massive signings would we suddenly see our gates double??
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Post by Pilch on Feb 17, 2011 11:55:28 GMT 1
I'd be quite happy for us to be one of the worst ever supported premier league sides
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Post by Ned on Feb 17, 2011 11:56:58 GMT 1
Shocking crowd. Most Championship sides get higher gates, and some L1/L2 clubs.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 17, 2011 12:04:36 GMT 1
Shocking crowd. Most Championship sides get higher gates, and some L1/L2 clubs. Maybe clubs from larger towns and cities maybe? At a guess?
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Post by captainpike on Feb 17, 2011 12:19:11 GMT 1
I'd be quite happy for us to be one of the worst ever supported premier league sides
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Post by onthetrain92 on Feb 17, 2011 13:27:54 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure if we were in the Premier league that we would average 20k +. Shrewsbury, Shropshire and Mid Wales tend will jump on the band wagon just like the wembley trips. The people that live round these areas are that way inclined. Shropshire and Powys alone is a combine population of well over half a million, there aint much else for the people of these areas to do with regards to football.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2011 13:28:47 GMT 1
There was only 11,967 at Wolves vs Stoke in the fifth round, 3,000 from Stoke!
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Post by GlosShrew on Feb 17, 2011 13:39:37 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure if we were in the Premier league that we would average 20k +.... Apart from the fact we probably would not have a ground to accommodate that number - assuming that the ground does get expanded then around a 15K average would be the best we would get I reckon.
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Post by Ned on Feb 17, 2011 13:47:43 GMT 1
Shocking crowd. Most Championship sides get higher gates, and some L1/L2 clubs. Maybe clubs from larger towns and cities maybe? At a guess? Doncaster's not that big. Sc***horpe got nearly 6,000 last night.
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Post by bobbyc on Feb 17, 2011 14:10:14 GMT 1
if, in some strange and unusual parallel universe, we made it to the premier league, we'd be fairly similar to wimbledon attendance-wise (and footballing style wise too no doubt), i'd have thunk.
i.e. sell out whatever size stadium we have when man utd come, and no more than 15k every other game.
imho this kind of attendance bragging/bashing is dull, petty, and just sets you up for eggy face in the future.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Feb 17, 2011 14:12:49 GMT 1
Also shows what the FA Cup has turned into. Not many people care about anything but the league now. If clubs wants crowds for these sort of matches, they will have to slash ticket prices.
Be nice if some of these clubs came down to league 2. I live in manchester and could probably get to at least 4 clubs within about 15 mins. That excludes, Wigan, Blackburn, Liverpool, Everton and Blackpool and many other smaller clubs. Great that there are so many, but there just isn't the fans for this amount of clubs. Blackburn, Wigan, Bolton and Blackpool are the worst supported teams in the Premier league - most of them have financial backers and you can see why, you couldnt run a business like that
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 17, 2011 14:18:26 GMT 1
Maybe clubs from larger towns and cities maybe? At a guess? Doncaster's not that big. S****horpe got nearly 6,000 last night. But aren’t’ those towns all roughly about the same size population wise? Scunny got nearly 5,500 whilst Wigan got about 7,500? So maybe I am missing your point. What is your point there? Scunny get 5,500 for a league game (population just over 70,000) whilst Wigan get 7,500 for a Cup game (population about 80,000). But only the latter is a shocking crowd? How does that work? And Scunny are out in the middle of nowhere. Donny don’t exactly have too many near neighbors either. And in both those towns football is not vying with Rugby for the towns support. There are a few clubs granted that can pull on support from all across the country. That’s true. But the vast majority of clubs pull their support from the local catchment area. So why folk are expecting Wigan to get thousands through the gate just because they play in the top flight is beyond me. If the people are not there in the first place to get into the stadium what can they do? What crowds are you expecting from Wigan considering the population of the town? At what point is a crowd 'shocking' and how are you coming to that conclusion? Are you simply just looking at the attendances of other clubs at that level? Clubs from much larger towns and cities?
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Post by Liam on Feb 17, 2011 14:19:20 GMT 1
Wigan is a small town and one surrounded by much bigger towns with bigger clubs. It's impressive that they've got up and stayed up and their home gates aren't too bad considering.
HOWEVER, I must admit that I'm thoroughly bored of them being in the Premier League now. I think of all the clubs in the top flight, they're probably the hardest to get excited about. It was a novelty when they went up there to begin with and fair play to them for doing it, but I really don't particularly want them up there at the expense of the likes of Leeds, Forest and Wednesday anymore.
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Post by mrentertainer on Feb 17, 2011 14:34:55 GMT 1
It was a novelty when they went up there to begin with and fair play to them for doing it, but I really don't particularly want them up there at the expense of the likes of Leeds, Forest and Wednesday anymore. Wigan are there on merit, the other clubs aren't. Until that changes, then each club is playing at a level it deserves to be at. Wigan is a small town, about an hour from the following premier league clubs:- Man Utd Man City Everton Liverpool Bolton Blackpool Blackburn Stoke It also has a big rugby heritage and times are hard at the moment. Arsenal Vs Barca was on the TV, what do you expect, sell out. How many would we have at New Meadow under the same circumstances, at a guess about the same as Wigan. Seeing a club like Wigan, regardless of the investment that Dave Whelan has put into the club, in the Premier League is a fantastic thing. It gives clubs like ours something to aim for and shows that anything is possible.
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Post by daveshrew on Feb 17, 2011 14:43:15 GMT 1
I don't understand how some folk think to be honest. Pretty much all top flight clubs seen their cup attendances dropping because it"s not cheap to buy tickets to football these days... Wigan is a town with a very long and rich Rugby League heritage. It is very close to long established top flight clubs in Liverpool and Manchester. However, more to the point...Wigan isn't some metropolis from which the club can draw support. Wigan is a small town. Wikipedia gives the town's population as a little over 80,000. Where are folk expecting these thousand of fans to come from? Playing top flight football is not a green light to see thousands and thousands of fans turning up to watch the town's club. First off, the catchment has to be there in the first place to draw from...and Wigan don't have that. If we were playing Wxm or Walsall would in the same round would we see any more than that turn up? Doubt it. All things considered I think Wigan have done wonders to get the amount they have in every week, their crowds are superb...more so when you think how many were watching them a little over ten years ago. As for woeful support? I do thin that's a tad rich coming from a Town fan. Have you checked the attendances when we were plying our trade in the 2nd division? Have you heard how quiet it is at Oteley Road at times? For me, credit where credit is due to Wigan...fair play to them... totally agree.
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Feb 17, 2011 14:53:57 GMT 1
Didn't they only bring something like 50 fans to Tottenham in one of the first games of the season?
Now that really was more shocking.
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Post by captainpike on Feb 17, 2011 15:24:51 GMT 1
Didn't they only bring something like 50 fans to Tottenham in one of the first games of the season? Now that really was more shocking. I think it's over £50 to get in to the Lane for away fans. Unlike the bigger clubs in the Prem who have a large away following it is generally the same hardy souls following the smaller clubs to every away game. Now if I was doing that at Prem prices and wanted to sack off a couple to save some cash Spurs would be top of my list - especially if we'd lost 9-1 on our last visit and were performing really badly at the time. Can't blame all those Wigan fans who gave it a miss.
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Post by Liam on Feb 17, 2011 15:37:51 GMT 1
I agree. I just wish it wasn't the case anymore. I'd much rather see someone like Leeds (who I don't even particularly like) up there putting the cat amongst the pigeons by renewing their rivalry with the likes of Chelsea and United, rather than Wigan turning up with a van-load of away fans and getting spanked.
Again, I don't necessarily disagree with any of that. I didn't criticise Wigan for their home gates, I just feel they don't add any interest to the Premier League.
Generally, I will always support the underdog and I like to see small teams doing well. There's something about Wigan - perhaps it's the fact they come from a rugby-league town and have a relatively poor history - that's a bit soulless and boring, however. The likes of Burnley and Blackpool being up there I've no problem with - both grand old clubs with a fine tradition and a good pasionate atmosphere at their grounds.
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Post by Myddleshrew on Feb 17, 2011 15:40:48 GMT 1
Who gives a s**t about crowds.It doesnt win you trophies does it. Who cares about there gates there in the premiership that all that counts in my eyes.Bradford get 10,000 every home game and there a bottom 10 side in league 2.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Feb 17, 2011 15:51:56 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure if we were in the Premier league that we would average 20k +. Shrewsbury, Shropshire and Mid Wales tend will jump on the band wagon just like the wembley trips. The people that live round these areas are that way inclined. Shropshire and Powys alone is a combine population of well over half a million, there aint much else for the people of these areas to do with regards to football. ;D ;D ;D ;D You do make me chuckle Have you thought about being a stand up comedian ? Even when Shrewsbury were at the heady heights of finishing 8th in the old Division 2, the average crowd if my usually reliable memory serves me right was between 8250 & 8750, and this included the likes of Sunderland, Newcastle, Birmingham etc bringing away followings of 2000+ You have a highly fantastical view of the pulling power of Shrewsbury Town, there may be the odd gate in 5 figures if the ground was extended, but the vast majority of gates I would suspect not differing from those stated above. And as for the comment 'that there ain't much more to do with regards to football'You mean apart from playing in the numerous local leagues ? League of Wales Cymru Alliance Spar Mid Wales Divisions 1 & 2 Montgomery Amatuer League Divisions 1 & 2 Mid Wales South League Shropshire County League Premier & Division 1 West Shropshire Alliance etc etc
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Feb 17, 2011 18:03:17 GMT 1
Didn't they only bring something like 50 fans to Tottenham in one of the first games of the season? Now that really was more shocking. Agree with this, there was a thread about it at the time and even taking into account Wigan's poor home crowds, it was a pitiful percentage who went to Spurs to watch them, for a 3pm sat k.o too I think, to watch them against one of the better prem sides. Will be glad when they go down and replaced by a more interesting team.
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Post by Dale on Feb 17, 2011 20:31:22 GMT 1
We can criticise their crowds all we like but I bet we'd take a small slice of what they've achieved in the last ten years, it does raise an interesting point, if we ever reached the top level and what crowds would we get? Certainly gets the imagination going......
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Post by eggyshrew on Feb 17, 2011 21:11:02 GMT 1
Mr whealen done a brillant job. Wigan was getting 1800 - 2500 15 years ago and have had gates now up in the 20,000+ only something us Town fans dream of. As for the 20,000 watching Town cant see where they would come from unless we played Man utd / liverpool etc etc in FA cup game where the away team is allowed 25% stadium. I dont think we would have a stadium to hold that number anyhow as a stadium in the 12,500 - 15,000 region would be ample. The remarks about who and how many they taken away i find its stems from envy from where we would rather be, if only. Yes we might take more to these teams, but those hardy 50 deserve their time, some of those 50 might be the 1800 0r so back in the 80s 90s getting thrashed by the likes of us 5 -2. Good luck to um. Fulham also get poor away following and so do others and these are bigger fish than little rugby team Wigan.
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