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Post by lexo on Jan 15, 2011 21:56:30 GMT 1
by all accounts he was having a good game today until the blooper ....
danny taylor are you ready ? only GT knows
i am sure holden is feeling gutted
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Post by onthetrain92 on Jan 15, 2011 22:06:03 GMT 1
I don't want to see him in a Shrewsbury shirt again, mentally he has lost the plot and certainly cost us 2 points today and maybe even up to 5vpoints in the last 2 games considering he put Morecombe one up and puts us on the back foot so early last week. Holden is the weakest link now GOODBYE.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 15, 2011 22:24:47 GMT 1
I don't want to see him in a Shrewsbury shirt again, mentally he has lost the plot and certainly cost us 2 points today and maybe even up to 5vpoints in the last 2 games considering he put Morecombe one up and puts us on the back foot so early last week. Holden is the weakest link now GOODBYE. Don't forget the Crewe goal and that he also damned near gave away a goal at Burton.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 22:49:00 GMT 1
I would have thought at this time, considering how the team is playing, we would need all the support we can get, and that means standing by the players, the team and encouraging. BUT NO. We have the usual suspects pouring scorn on those who, in their opinion, do not deserve to play for us. Holden is a good proffessional, he may not be the best, but he gives his all. Yes, he may have made a few mistakes recently which have led to goals against, but if i had a book with the names of S.T.F.C. players whose mistakes have cost us goals against, then it would be one hell of a thick book. Forwards who miss chances don't seem to recieve the same amount of vitriol defenders/ goalkeepers get whose mistakes lead to goals. Please stop this excitable, "over the top" criticism of our players. It serves no purchase and achieves exactly nothing.
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Post by hardly on Jan 15, 2011 22:57:53 GMT 1
'SouthStandShrew' as usual full of toxic unhelpful comments, you ain't board standard.
Bye bye,
Moderators please get rid.
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Post by hardly on Jan 15, 2011 23:08:37 GMT 1
Moderators, please cut off the oxygen of publicity for this so-called supporter!
Free speech is one thing, a never ending stream of self-publicising, vitriolic, unhelpful comments is another.
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Post by Jonah on Jan 15, 2011 23:11:15 GMT 1
Point gained today boys The real issue is we lost our last home games SSS get a life have you ever been involved in a team game in your life?
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Post by Jonah on Jan 15, 2011 23:53:01 GMT 1
No reply then SSS?
Past your bedtime?
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Post by albionshrew on Jan 16, 2011 1:31:33 GMT 1
This is missing the point - if the forwards could bang a few goals in then Holden, or anyone else, could make the odd mistake.
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Post by bizzylad on Jan 16, 2011 1:32:16 GMT 1
Point gained??? We are a team going for automatic promotion against a very poor team, defintley two points lost perhaps we are not ruthless enough , i just want out of this league quickly is it too arrogant to want be on a level playing field with the likes of Yeovil,Colchester and Bournemouth??
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Post by nicko on Jan 16, 2011 10:55:46 GMT 1
Point gained??? We are a team going for automatic promotion against a very poor team, defintley two points lost perhaps we are not ruthless enough , i just want out of this league quickly is it too arrogant to want be on a level playing field with the likes of Yeovil,Colchester and Bournemouth?? You need to look at the result in the context of our recent form Bizzy. Recently we've looked a poor team, Barnets results have picked up so a point is a decent return. Of course the manner of the Barnet equaliser sticks in the throat, but as I've stated on another thread it shouldn't have mattered as we should have been 2/3 up. Also, this current squad is nowhere near a top 3 side and we are doing what the dozen other sides who fancy themselves for a play-off spot do and gain a point at a bottom 5 side.
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Post by northwestman on Jan 16, 2011 11:01:20 GMT 1
Just watched the Barnet goal on BBC I Player.
What was Holden thinking of? 90th minute..the ball should have been booted into the stand. Horrible goal.
I won't now be critical of Neal though..he was sold seriously short.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 11:12:34 GMT 1
Also, this current squad is nowhere near a top 3 side and we are doing what the dozen other sides who fancy themselves for a play-off spot do and gain a point at a bottom 5 side. Absolutely right. Another point at Accrington on Tuesday night would be a point gained also. Let's look objectively at this. We're 8 points off 2nd place and 13 points off 1st place. So it would take something fairly sensational to pull that back, especially seeing as we've managed to string 2 victories together once since the first 5 games of the season. Therefore, you either see us as one of 8/9 clubs chasing 3rd spot. Or more likely, one of 12-14 teams who still have a reasonable punt at getting 7th-4th spot.
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Post by DarwinRob on Jan 16, 2011 11:42:41 GMT 1
Sorry but Mr Holden is an honest player but simply not good enough this year,or last year for those he defend him maybe a lesson in football is needed
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jan 16, 2011 13:23:46 GMT 1
I have a life Jonah and Hardly don't spend all night on a football message board.
Ban me? For what?
If I made a mistake like that at work I'd be bollocked.
What's the problem?
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jan 16, 2011 13:28:14 GMT 1
If you read my original post I give credit to Holden for 'trying' so don't try and put out I'm having a go unfairly.
Barnet are a team we should be beating if we have any ambitions of promotion and the way I see it we'd done that bar a Sunday League style mistake.
Yes I understand the meaning of 'team game' however I'm not the one being paid money to kick a piece of leather around a football field for a living.
I pay decent money following the Town and work hard to pay for that right.
I await your reply Jonah!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 13:31:25 GMT 1
Just watched it myself. Looks to me as if he wanted to move away with the ball, wide, but misjudged the bounce and let the Barnet man in. A bad mistake,yes, but not worthy of the rubbish being piled on him by some. Bizzylad, i can appreciate how you feel, that you want to get out of this league asap, but you've been supporting long enough to realise that this is what you get as a S.T. fan. The position we find ourselves in is US, typically town. Would'nt surprise me to see us finding form and winning a string of games which rockets us into auto places. Keep the faith.
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Post by Carter on Jan 16, 2011 14:02:31 GMT 1
It is any coincidence that us and Rotherham and swapped places in the table since he switched back???
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Jan 16, 2011 14:13:29 GMT 1
Point gained today boys You can't be serious? A sunday league mistake in the 90th min against a team in the relegation zone who we should be beating?
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Post by markglasgow on Jan 16, 2011 14:40:35 GMT 1
Yep we always win at Barnet don't we?
Just watched the Football League Show and a vast majority of the goals stemmed from poor defensive mistakes. So messageboards across the land will no doubt have similar threads to this. I'm not saying that Holden is the best option at right back but I am saying he's one of OUR players and if he's picked on Tuesday then he'll be getting my support.
Wonder who it will be next week? Chris Neal? Steve Leslie? Kev McIntyre?
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Post by northwestman on Jan 16, 2011 15:13:23 GMT 1
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Wonder who it will be next week? Chris Neal? Steve Leslie? Kev McIntyre?[/quote]
All have their credentials.
Chris Neal doesn't seem to have got out of the habit of shot spilling, as exemplified by the 1st Morecambe goal. He's not a bad League 2 keeper, but of course we've been spoilt by having Button.
As everyone on B & A already knows, Leslie is probably the most inconsistent player on our books. Great cameo appearances are often followed by very poor performances. And no way should he ever be let near a dead ball!
In my opinion McIntyre is exceptionally fortunate to have been given that one year contract extension and still be on our books. Closing down players and ball winning isn't much good if you then either lose the ball or misplace the pass. A 100% trier, but clearly not good enough.
My opinions on Holden have already been well documented elsewhere!
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Post by Jonah on Jan 16, 2011 15:34:34 GMT 1
SSS your constant posting knocking anything STFC really does annoy me.
Because you pay your money you think you have the right to be so judgemental and call people clowns?
Why do you think we have a right to beat teams like Barnet? If football was a predictable as that we wouldn't be watching it would we?
Mistakes happen in a game and if our forwards had not missed there chances then the full backs error wouldn't be so bad would it?
Holden must be gutted and the last thing he or the squad needs is the support turning against them.
I suggest before you post your next post you put your brain in gear first.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jan 16, 2011 16:34:20 GMT 1
You fail to see my point Jonah.
Holden isn't good enough for us, can't you see that?
If you really consider a point against a manager less Barnet a 'point gained' then I'll leave you and your small ambitions behind as some of us actually want to get out of this s**te league.
Ta'ra!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2011 16:42:27 GMT 1
You fail to see my point Jonah. Holden isn't good enough for us, can't you see that? If you really consider a point against a manager less Barnet a 'point gained' then I'll leave you and your small ambitions behind as some of us actually want to get out of this s**te league. Ta'ra! Well, opinions are a wonderful insight, I thought that up till that mistake, Holden had put in a great solid performance........... so was gutted for the guy!! Mcintryre had also put in a decent shift, along with Leslie!!
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 16, 2011 17:14:36 GMT 1
The way I personally see it, is that it wasn't only A mistake. It was another, and another very costly one. It's all very well and good saying apart from the mistake he had a decent game, but ultimately the mistake was the difference between winning the game and not winning it.
On the plus side I think his form just has to get better, they're not exactly technical mistakes, just idiotic lapses of concentration. But personally I would like to see Turner take steps towards bringing in a new right back.
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Post by keithyshrew25 on Jan 16, 2011 17:25:14 GMT 1
You fail to see my point Jonah. Holden isn't good enough for us, can't you see that? If you really consider a point against a manager less Barnet a 'point gained' then I'll leave you and your small ambitions behind as some of us actually want to get out of this s**te league. Ta'ra! You don't get it do you? This team is so far short of being good enough for League 1, yet you appear to be blaming it all on one player. What about Wright & Ainsworth? Big earners I believe, yet not producing enough. Sadler? Torn apart against Morecambe. Strikers? Nowhere near enough goals or chances... But you know what? They play for my team, they put their all in, and I'll support them week in and week out and not get on their back for every mistake. I don't care if you pay your money or not, you're not helping anyone so keep your opinions to yourself
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Post by OswestrySalopian on Jan 16, 2011 17:45:14 GMT 1
Another poor performance from Deano, i really feel for the lad at the moment. I think when people on here get personal about him, it gets out pf hand. Calling your own players 'clowns' is out of hand. For the record i dont think he is of good enough quality to acheive promotion, but given time im sure he'll come good under Turner.
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Post by texmexshrew on Jan 16, 2011 18:47:04 GMT 1
Another clanger from Holden. Similar to that og last week, a real lack of awareness of his position, or that of the opposition. Decisions, or lack of, win and loose games, set up the mindset of the team as those poor ones resonate with teammates.
Regardless of how he played, 90mins in, a valuable and needy 3points on a plate and an experienced fullback not only lets the ball bounce, but then is clueless as to what to do with it thereafter. ROW Z.......protect the goal.....etc
The criticism has been worthy, has been growing week on week, and the results (with him) are the same. Poor on the ball, poor off it. No leadership. As mentioned by me and others a couple of weeks back, this Raven injury has clearly been concerning the management for some time, hence Holden keeping his place. It is now time, to rethink our RB as clearly Holden is not of the required standard.
By chance I could make the Accy game....I really hope I dont see Holden line up in a Town shirt.
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Jan 16, 2011 19:28:04 GMT 1
Up until the 90th minute Holden had actually had a pretty good game and apossible candidate for Towns player of the match - funny thing football, has a horrible habit of rearing its' head and biting you in the arse when you least expect it.
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Jan 16, 2011 19:52:05 GMT 1
SSS your constant posting knocking anything STFC really does annoy me. Because you pay your money you think you have the right to be so judgemental and call people clowns? Why do you think we have a right to beat teams like Barnet? If football was a predictable as that we wouldn't be watching it would we? Mistakes happen in a game and if our forwards had not missed there chances then the full backs error wouldn't be so bad would it? Holden must be gutted and the last thing he or the squad needs is the support turning against them. I suggest before you post your next post you put your brain in gear first. You're right Jonah, we don't have the right to be Barnet, neither do Man united or Real Madrid but if we want out of this division we need to cut these stupid mistakes out and Holden needs to go he is a clear liability in our team. We need to man up and stop acting like pussys and drop people who have put in pathetic performance like Holden has done of late. What I don't like is negativity on this board by certain people but equally I don't like posters who are over defensive when players have made clangers and think that the garden is rosey. Are you looking forward to seeing mr Holden at right back for the next 3 months then more fool you if you do.
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