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Post by northwestman on Jan 15, 2011 14:19:59 GMT 1
The success that Shrewsbury had under Turner in the eighties was based on bringing players in from relative obscurity from a superb scouting network. If Turner can restore that then given time we can build a team fit for better things rather than having to rely on overnight success via loanees. Drowning the squad with loanees is going to do nothing for nuturing a understanding between the players on the pitch and any sort team spirit among the squad. [/quote]
I agree. Managers like Gradi and Still undoubtedly have a superb scouting network in place. So did we in the 70s and 80s but I certainly don't feel that to be the case today.
I've nothing against quality loanees here for half a season or a season long loan..but don't see the point of these monthly loans unless like Exodus it's to cover a real emergency. Loans such as Tope and Tutte are a waste of time and only serve to disrupt the squad.
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Jan 15, 2011 15:03:35 GMT 1
Chris, always worth reading and listening to you. But fella; it's just football. Shankley was wrong. Agreed Nick, and that is the crux of it. Football has always been my hobby, my passion, it's what I have enjoyed playing and watching in my spare time. It has been my release from the reality of life if you like. Now I am not enjoying it, which disappoints and frustrates; leading me to consider that, because we all know there are other things in life, I should not renew my season ticket. Simple
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Post by Lord Ha Ha on Jan 15, 2011 15:58:34 GMT 1
I don't think the situation Turner inherited bears any comparisson to that which Peters did. Peters also did not have season-after-season to put thing right. He was brought in to stave off relegation - which he achieved - and then finished tenth and seventh (followed by defeat in a play off final).
In the March of his first 'bad' season (and admittedly he made several poor signings and we produced some truly dire football) he was sacked/left the club.
Granted Peters achieved all he could do for the club in keeping us up and initially stabilising us in league 2 but is it fair that we expect perfection and immediate promotion out of Turner.
I would hope Turner would have a two fold plan going on at the moment that may achieve this but I don't think it's fair to say it's going to happen this season. The two plans being:
Plan A is one of pushing for promotion this season with existing and loanee players.
Plan B is one based on a longer term objective of producing players ourselves via the youth and scouting for decent players from non league and working with them to make them key players for the club and not just discard them after a few games.
I'd rather see plan B work well for the future even if it is at a cost of promotion now (although I don't think we going to get it anyway) because a rebuilding job is better done at a lower level than have fresh players lose their way amongst the higher standard of league 1.
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Post by scooter on Jan 15, 2011 16:04:30 GMT 1
Southend 1 up at Rotherham Sorry wrong thread
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Jan 17, 2011 11:32:15 GMT 1
The success that Shrewsbury had under Turner in the eighties was based on bringing players in from relative obscurity from a superb scouting network. If Turner can restore that then given time we can build a team fit for better things rather than having to rely on overnight success via loanees. Drowning the squad with loanees is going to do nothing for nuturing a understanding between the players on the pitch and any sort team spirit among the squad. I agree. Managers like Gradi and Still undoubtedly have a superb scouting network in place. So did we in the 70s and 80s but I certainly don't feel that to be the case today. [/quote] Don't forget Crewe has also "come down the ranks"- and, though they're obviously getting better results, Gradi hasn't been able to repeat the "Glory days." I can't argue with you guys though as I can't comment on the scouting network. You obviously know about it. It does stand to reason that loans don't really work as a team needs to "gel" and have some pride in their club. A loanee is surely just a "journeyman"- it's a job, that's all. On the question of enjoying the football, I agree. I haven't been to half as many matches. Certainly it has partly been due to our grandson being in hospital, then the weather and being ill myself with a flu-type virus that is " doing the rounds"- and hangs on and on. It's hard going to get from home to Wigan North Western, Crewe to Shrewsbury, then supporters' bus from Ravens Meadow, if you're not feeling quite up to the mark. BUT- in the past, I have done it- I made the journey once when I felt quite ill- I think at that time, it was "kill or cure"- and it was definitely a cure!!!!! There was a real buzz in those days that made it all worthwhile.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 11:52:13 GMT 1
Chris, always worth reading and listening to you. But fella; it's just football. Shankley was wrong. Spot on! Some of the posters on this melodramatic thread need to take a look at the news channels which may help put things in perspective. As a season ticket holder I want success as much as anyone and get a bit p**sed off when we lose but come on this is all a bit deep. Good point
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 12:20:32 GMT 1
Chris is a committed, honest, well respected Town fan so his current feeling is ashame, however I get the feeling reading this thread that by Chris revealing his current feelings that this thread has created amongst SOME posters a
lets join the " i don't enjoy watching Shrewsbury anymore" club because it's hip to do so at the moment
football wise I much prefer watching Town now than I did fron 1997 to 2006, although the Conference season was ok as a one off.
I think as you get older it is natural you become more philosophyical watching Town and having a family, your social priorities change, and sometimes football is going to the backburner more frequently.
I know a few supporters of the 70's who stopped going and missing the "glory years" and have never been back!
Nothing to do with the ground , atmosphere, football, they were turned off by the hooligans of the day and player culture of that time. Watching football is a habit in someways, and when they started doing new things instead, even the success of the late 70's and 80's could not lure them back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 12:23:57 GMT 1
Chris is a committed, honest, well respected Town fan so his current feeling is ashame, however I get the feeling reading this thread that by Chris revealing his current feelings that this thread has created amongst SOME posters a lets join the " i don't enjoy watching Shrewsbury anymore" club because it's hip to do so at the moment football wise I much prefer watching Town now than I did fron 1997 to 2006, although the Conference season was ok as a one off. I think as you get older it is natural you become more philosophyical watching Town and having a family, your social priorities change, and sometimes football is going to the backburner more frequently. I know a few supporters of the 70's who stopped going in the 80's missing the "glory years" and have never been back! Nothing to do with the ground , atmosphere, football, they were turned off by the hooligans of the day and player culture of that time. Watching football is a habit in someways, and when they started doing new things instead, even the success of the late 70's and 80's could not lure them back. Bit of a difference, I still will be going, and trying to put a different perspective on it!! the football has been unentertaining for years!!
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Post by nicko on Jan 17, 2011 12:38:40 GMT 1
Thing is 4th Division football is generally un-entertaining.
I can't remember who said it (either Stockporter or Tenor) but football at our level is one long slog of work-rate, getting the ball forward early and percentages (in fact that's football all over in this country apart from Arsenal and a couple of others).
If I had a quid every-time me or the people I was with said that we've had a good day only for it to ruined by the football during the past 10 years I'd be OK for season tickets for the next few seasons.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jan 17, 2011 13:08:22 GMT 1
Thing is 4th Division football is generally un-entertaining. I can't remember who said it (either Stockporter or Tenor) but football at our level is one long slog of work-rate, getting the ball forward early and percentages (in fact that's football all over in this country apart from Arsenal and a couple of others). If I had a quid every-time me or the people I was with said that we've had a good day only for it to ruined by the football during the past 10 years I'd be OK for season tickets for the next few seasons. I'd like to take credit, but it was Stockporter. Only 32 miles from home to Accrington, so I've never missed a trip there, but I've been offered an Italian meal tomorrow and after 1 second of consideration the chianti won. A sign that my enthusiasm is waning.
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Post by stockportershrew on Jan 18, 2011 0:00:38 GMT 1
Fortunately, you tend to forget how bad the last game was fairly quickly and then get sucked back in thinking it's going to be better this time. To a neutral most games in L4 are astonishingly dull. As my 8 yr old said during the Crewe game - " dad this is really boring - why don't they try playing football?" I didn't like to break it to him that the normal state of affairs for lower league football fans is occasional football punctuating long spells of dross.
Do most of us go because there's nothing else to do on saturday afternoons?
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Post by blum on Jan 18, 2011 1:08:16 GMT 1
lets join the " i don't enjoy watching Shrewsbury anymore" club because it's hip to do so at the moment What? it's hip to say you arent enjoying watching Salop at the moment? From my point of viw it isn't a joy to watch them. I'm not saying it because it's "hip" to say so, I'm saying it because i'm not enjoying watching them. Okay they are trying, there's not a doubt in my mind that they are trying and believe me I am dyed in the wool BLUE... but a joy to watch? I dont think so. I have supported Salop since the mid 70's, okay, I a few years off whilst running a junior football team, plus working away all week and coming home weekends to the wife and kids it was a case of mothballing going to a few games, but I have seen some rubbish Salop over the years, we're not there jst yet and I have 100% confidence in Graham Turner, I am sure he will turn it around and we will succeed, but hand on heart, can you HONESTLY say you sit there and enjoy what is being served up? I will keep the faith because thats what it's all about, but i'm certainly not enjoying things at the moment, and I can assure you Hip has nothing to do with it.
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