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Post by heavenlyshrew on Dec 13, 2010 9:40:26 GMT 1
Threatening to use water canons on the great unwashed(students) is a great move.That will stop the rioting for sure
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Post by shrewsace on Dec 13, 2010 10:44:21 GMT 1
Threatening to use water canons on the great unwashed(students) is a great move.That will stop the rioting for sure It's 'government' and water cannons, heavenly. Ever thought of returning to education?
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Post by Scarecrow on Dec 13, 2010 11:20:09 GMT 1
Threatening to use water canons on the great unwashed(students) is a great move.That will stop the rioting for sure What a great attitude you have towards peaceful demonstraters. I'll tell you what, if the police use water cannons and somebody gets sprayed who is innocent and gets stuck in the kettle, it's not gonna be long until someone dies is it? Not just from crushing but hypothermia? This is only going to annoy peaceful protesters more and if you think this will solve the problem of the few who employ direct action? You are mistaken, it will only make it worse
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Post by mrbunny on Dec 13, 2010 11:43:08 GMT 1
Threatening to use water canons on the great unwashed(students) is a great move.That will stop the rioting for sure What a great attitude you have towards peaceful demonstraters. I'll tell you what, if the police use water cannons and somebody gets sprayed who is innocent and gets stuck in the kettle, it's not gonna be long until someone dies is it? Not just from crushing but hypothermia? This is only going to annoy peaceful protesters more and if you think this will solve the problem of the few who employ direct action? You are mistaken, it will only make it worse Peaceful? All the scumbags who rioted and defaced the statue of Churchill must be made up then.
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Post by Jonah on Dec 13, 2010 12:10:32 GMT 1
Threatening to use water canons on the great unwashed(students) is a great move.That will stop the rioting for sure What a great attitude you have towards peaceful demonstraters. I'll tell you what, if the police use water cannons and somebody gets sprayed who is innocent and gets stuck in the kettle, it's not gonna be long until someone dies is it? Not just from crushing but hypothermia? This is only going to annoy peaceful protesters more and if you think this will solve the problem of the few who employ direct action? You are mistaken, it will only make it worse Peaceful What clips of the demonstration did you watch on TV then??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2010 12:30:15 GMT 1
I think the water cannon idea is only a suggestion, doubt it will happen. The police cant win, try the softly softly approach, theres chaos and they are criticised. They try strong arm tactics and get criticised by the protestors. Yes the people causing the trouble will be a minority but it seems to be a minority that is increasing. But personally I wouldnt mind seeing a water cannon being turned on people like this www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/dec/12/charlie-gilmour-arrest-student-protests
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Post by shrewsace on Dec 13, 2010 12:39:47 GMT 1
What a great attitude you have towards peaceful demonstraters. I'll tell you what, if the police use water cannons and somebody gets sprayed who is innocent and gets stuck in the kettle, it's not gonna be long until someone dies is it? Not just from crushing but hypothermia? This is only going to annoy peaceful protesters more and if you think this will solve the problem of the few who employ direct action? You are mistaken, it will only make it worse Peaceful What clips of the demonstration did you watch on TV then?? I think he was actually there, among the protest, if I recall correctly, Jonah, rather than watching it on the TV.
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Post by mrbunny on Dec 13, 2010 12:54:13 GMT 1
Peaceful What clips of the demonstration did you watch on TV then?? I think he was actually there, among the protest, if I recall correctly, Jonah, rather than watching it on the TV. Well if he is there next time he might get a wash from a cannon. I'd baton charge the little ****ers who are causing trouble.
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Post by shrewsace on Dec 13, 2010 13:04:40 GMT 1
I think he was actually there, among the protest, if I recall correctly, Jonah, rather than watching it on the TV. Well if he is there next time he might get a wash from a cannon. I'd baton charge the little ****ers who are causing trouble. Spoken like a true man of peace. Out of interest, what do you define as 'causing trouble'? Surely you're not condoning 'baton charging the little ****ers' who are just on the march and not actually vandalising anything or making unprovoked attacks on individuals?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 13, 2010 13:53:30 GMT 1
As much as I think the police can be and are heavily handed you do have some (just a little) sympathy. How can now differentiate between those who are going about the protest in a peaceful way and those that are not, considering (as far as I am aware) the latter move about with the former? Perhaps it would be good of those folk who are looking to cause trouble break cover from amongst the peaceful protestors? There are people who are using the protests as a cover for their own means, to cause issues, to cause damage and trouble. Surely its these folk who should be taken to task? So then what do you do? Do you simply let folk wander, drift as they please and therefore allow people who are looking to cause trouble to do so? How do you manage and contain those individuals who are bent on causing disorder without containing all? Plus, where should the police direct folk? We've got protests here at the moment for Stuttgart 21, nothing like those seen in London of course but still plenty of folk out demonstrating. Haven't the police a duty to the people of Stuttgart, to let them get on with their own day to day business without it being disrupted by protests? Just playing devil's advocate like but maybe the London police need to keep folk in certain areas of the city to let the city continue to function otherwise there would be more chaos? Talking about water cannons, their use over here in Germany was very big news a month or two back (again, the Stuttgart 21 protests)... www.thelocal.de/national/20101006-30295.html...a tad heavy handed here considering what they were up against.
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Post by jamo on Dec 13, 2010 14:10:54 GMT 1
Peaceful What clips of the demonstration did you watch on TV then?? I've told you before about your selective memory problem The peaceful protest carried out by tens of thousands of good, decent, law abiding people does not make good news copy....ever thought of that ?
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Post by jamo on Dec 13, 2010 14:12:09 GMT 1
I'd baton charge the little ****ers who are causing trouble. On charging hosres to boot no doubt ? That's the spirit.
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Post by mrbunny on Dec 13, 2010 14:28:12 GMT 1
Well if he is there next time he might get a wash from a cannon. I'd baton charge the little ****ers who are causing trouble. Spoken like a true man of peace. Out of interest, what do you define as 'causing trouble'? Surely you're not condoning 'baton charging the little ****ers' who are just on the march and not actually vandalising anything or making unprovoked attacks on individuals? The ones confronting police, the ones smashing up buildings and urinating on monuments. Those scummy little barstewards. Anyone doing the marches peacefully is probably not trying to smash through the riot police cordon with metal barriers. So it should be easy to seperate the 2 different lots of people.
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Post by ratcliffesghost on Dec 13, 2010 14:34:10 GMT 1
It will work, for those old enough to remember the Toxteth and St Pauls riots, they went on nightly for weeks.............until it rained and that was that
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Post by venceremos on Dec 13, 2010 15:13:07 GMT 1
Threatening to use water canons on the great unwashed(students) is a great move.That will stop the rioting for sure It's 'government' and water cannons, heavenly. Ever thought of returning to education? The irony probably escapes him. Is a water canon some sort of aquatic priest?
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Post by Jonah on Dec 13, 2010 15:20:02 GMT 1
Peaceful What clips of the demonstration did you watch on TV then?? I've told you before about your selective memory problem The peaceful protest carried out by tens of thousands of good, decent, law abiding people does not make good news copy....ever thought of that ? And we are well aware of your political views arent we brother Alan???
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Post by nicko on Dec 13, 2010 16:13:57 GMT 1
A nice, neat piece of shoulder sloping from May. Yes she'll authorise the use of water cannon by the police at their operational discretion; so the police get the blame if it all goes wrong even though she signed it off.
I do wonder if this development is something to do with Charlie and the missus getting caught up in the demo and the fact that the protesters got to close to the Houses of Parliament. Can't have that can we. To close for comfort eh Theresa?
There have been worse riots in the past with many more injuries, destruction and even deaths and there has been no need for water cannon.
This will be seen as an escalation by many people.
Look on the bright side though; at least the cannon can be used to put the fires out caused by petrol bombs.
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Post by watfordshrew on Dec 13, 2010 17:13:33 GMT 1
The Ghost is absolutely correct, trouble makers are less inclined to get involved with what has been going on recently if they are cold and wet.
However I think the reluctance to use water cannon has more to do with how impractical they are rather than genuine concern for police or government relations.
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Post by DaveG on Dec 13, 2010 17:21:14 GMT 1
Christ, you lot need to calm down.
This government has done us all a massive favour in trying to ensure that these students get a wash at least once before they go home for Christmas.
If a few get hurt along the way it is a price i'm willing to pay the price for a less smelly world.
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Post by nicko on Dec 13, 2010 18:01:39 GMT 1
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Post by mattmw on Dec 13, 2010 19:47:14 GMT 1
Think the problem with water cannons is how they don't discriminate between peaceful protestors and idiots causing trouble - I certainly wouldn't like them used incase some of our idiots kick off at an away game and we end up getting soggy
I'd hope there was a bit clearer intelligence led policies being implemented for crowd control by the met but somehow doubt it since they have cut spending in that area in recent years
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Post by creature on Dec 13, 2010 23:35:06 GMT 1
Football supporters ... bloody hooligans the lot of them
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2010 0:35:23 GMT 1
It's 'government' and water cannons, heavenly. Ever thought of returning to education? The irony probably escapes him. Is a water canon some sort of aquatic priest? Maybe he thinks ther'e going to use Holy Water.
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Post by jamo on Dec 14, 2010 9:27:25 GMT 1
Perhaps this water cannon idea will have benefits afterall.
That way disabled people in wheel chairs can be washed down the street instead of having to be manhandled and dragged by 4 Police officers. Much better use of resources.
Remember folks, we're all in this together.
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Post by Scarecrow on Dec 14, 2010 9:52:37 GMT 1
What a great attitude you have towards peaceful demonstraters. I'll tell you what, if the police use water cannons and somebody gets sprayed who is innocent and gets stuck in the kettle, it's not gonna be long until someone dies is it? Not just from crushing but hypothermia? This is only going to annoy peaceful protesters more and if you think this will solve the problem of the few who employ direct action? You are mistaken, it will only make it worse Peaceful? All the scumbags who rioted and defaced the statue of Churchill must be made up then. The majority of us were peaceful and maybe I phrased it wrong in my earlier post. I don't see how innocent, peaceful protestors should be put off going because of a water cannon. Also to prove to the other people who questioned my wheelchair incident on the other thread, there has been footage that has come out to show I wasn't lieing.
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Post by El Presidente on Dec 14, 2010 12:40:48 GMT 1
Also to prove to the other people who questioned my wheelchair incident on the other thread, there has been footage that has come out to show I wasn't lieing. Jog my memory mate, but I think you said something about being thrown on the ground and beaten. I've briefly seen the footage and looks to me like the chap is being moved, yes by force, but I think because he is obstructing. I don't have the facts, just surmising. Not trying to be controversial, but having a disability should not prevent police officers from dealing with an individual in such circumstances. Clearly any use of force (even taking hold of someones arm) needs to be justified. I don't think the chap in question has made any complaint yet either?
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Post by Jonah on Dec 14, 2010 12:42:03 GMT 1
Peaceful? All the scumbags who rioted and defaced the statue of Churchill must be made up then. The majority of us were peaceful and maybe I phrased it wrong in my earlier post. I don't see how innocent, peaceful protestors should be put off going because of a water cannon. Also to prove to the other people who questioned my wheelchair incident on the other thread, there has been footage that has come out to show I wasn't lieing. I watched the interview on BBC this morning. What an interesting person he is. He hasnt logged a complaint yet because he is still dicsussing it with his soliciter A lot more to come from this IMO.
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Post by shrewsace on Dec 14, 2010 13:14:34 GMT 1
From the BBC. Incredible question from the interviewer 'there is a suggestion that you were rolling in your wheelchair towards the police, is that true?' The accusatory tone towards the victim in this case is quite something! www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11987395
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 14, 2010 13:58:32 GMT 1
Be able to knock the chap out of his wheelchair without touching him with water cannon.
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Post by Jonah on Dec 14, 2010 15:10:59 GMT 1
182 arrests reported so far and is expected to rise significantly and it was only a handfull causing trouble
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