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Post by heavenlyshrew on Dec 12, 2010 13:29:18 GMT 1
How many times does he have to make mistakes.He spilled the ball twice in the first half yesterday and he nearly got caught out with the long range dipping shot in the second half. He has been so lucky to get away with things so far.we need another keeper in and quick as his luck will run out sooner rather than later.
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Post by ferkle94 on Dec 12, 2010 14:17:46 GMT 1
and he nearly got caught out with the long range dipping shot in the second half. To be fair to him, i think he dealt with that one very well, it moved just before it came to him so he did well to readjust
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Post by theyesman on Dec 12, 2010 14:24:47 GMT 1
I'm not Neal's biggest fan but think you're being a bit harsh there, Neal didn't have a great deal to do yesterday but dealt with most pretty well. The one he fumbled in the first half was hit with a lot of power and Neal was quick to reclaim it. Apart from Neal's distribution, which is poor, he is slowly improving.
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Post by jaytee on Dec 12, 2010 14:34:57 GMT 1
His kicking under pressure is superb. But I agree, when he has more time, kicks up to Robinson are a waste of time.
However, I've said before, he isn't that experienced in first team football, and for me he's improving every game.
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Post by roberto02afcct on Dec 12, 2010 14:49:14 GMT 1
I think he is one of the only reasonable keepers we have had for a while, that is keepers we own ourselves as Luke Daniels i think was far better and had more promise with us to become another great keeper like Joe Hart. However being said ALL keepers have there mistakes but it is how they respond that impresses me with Neal and if you watch closely after the goal was scored on Saturday he instead of sinking his head in the pitch and going down hill he became more determained to hault the root in the game (which he did) and inspire his defenders and Captain Sharps to relly on him to hold his own which is always needed for any back 5 to allow the others to attack. Time to come as we have a long way to go with Oxford Away (which i am miffed i can't go because of work so I am praying for snow down south) and then the big one with Bury on Boxing day and watching the football league show last night seems like he won't play for a while as looked nasty. Plus it must be noted I really liked Joe so I wish him all the best in his recovery.
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Post by scooter on Dec 12, 2010 15:45:40 GMT 1
Time to come as we have a long way to go with Oxford Away (which i am miffed i can't go because of work so I am praying for snow down south) and then the big one with Bury on Boxing day and watching the football league show last night seems like he won't play for a while as looked nasty. Plus it must be noted I really liked Joe so I wish him all the best in his recovery. you have lost me - who is injured ?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 12, 2010 16:38:09 GMT 1
The sad thing is that when Neal did fumble that free kick and reclaim, I turned to the person next to me and said "They'll be a thread on B and A later". So predictable, give him a break.
All I will say is that there is definte room for improvement in his distribution.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2010 16:52:03 GMT 1
Last couple of home games people have been pointing out some fumbled shots. Firstly its debatable that they are fumbles (I would certainly have to see them again) but why not focus on the positives of his reactions and bravery in getting the loose ball?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2010 16:52:35 GMT 1
Neal let in one goal yesterday and no blame was attached for that.
I would be far more concerned about the profligate nature of our forwards who spurned numerous chances, whether it was the final pass or poor finishing.
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Post by Slackbladder on Dec 12, 2010 17:43:17 GMT 1
Neal let in one goal yesterday and no blame was attached for that. I would be far more concerned about the profligate nature of our forwards who spurned numerous chances, whether it was the final pass or poor finishing. Agreed. Where is the thread entitled "Wrighty Misses two Sitters" ? (first half header. Second half scuff from Ainsworth's superb cross) The two saves mentioned by Chris Neal's perennial detractors have to be taken on their merits. The one in the first half was hit very well through a crowd of players in front of him the save was good, the reaction was even better. The one in the second half appeared to be moving in the air and he did well to push over the bar. NEITHER CHANCE RESULTED IN A GOAL!!! Definitely people on here who are gagging for Neal to fail at every opportunity which is extremely sad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2010 18:00:38 GMT 1
Feddo Gnasher, I did the same thing once Neal fumbled and recovered, 'I said he'd be slated on B&A tonight' That ball did move, plus he didn't stand much chance with the goal, I think he's improving with every game, his communication is improving also, I notice he talks (or rather shouts) a lot to Holden and Sharps, Has anyone really seen a better goalkeeper in league 2 this season? - I'd say Warrington of Rotherham, plus Morris of Southend are on a par but nothing else
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2010 18:23:23 GMT 1
I think he is one of the only reasonable keepers we have had for a while, that is keepers we own ourselves as Luke Daniels i think was far better and had more promise with us to become another great keeper like Joe Hart. However being said ALL keepers have there mistakes but it is how they respond that impresses me with Neal and if you watch closely after the goal was scored on Saturday he instead of sinking his head in the pitch and going down hill he became more determained to hault the root in the game (which he did) and inspire his defenders and Captain Sharps to relly on him to hold his own which is always needed for any back 5 to allow the others to attack. Time to come as we have a long way to go with Oxford Away (which i am miffed i can't go because of work so I am praying for snow down south) and then the big one with Bury on Boxing day and watching the football league show last night seems like he won't play for a while as looked nasty. Plus it must be noted I really liked Joe so I wish him all the best in his recovery. Lost me as well - who is injured?
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Post by Aub on Dec 12, 2010 18:32:20 GMT 1
I think he is one of the only reasonable keepers we have had for a while, that is keepers we own ourselves as Luke Daniels i think was far better and had more promise with us to become another great keeper like Joe Hart. However being said ALL keepers have there mistakes but it is how they respond that impresses me with Neal and if you watch closely after the goal was scored on Saturday he instead of sinking his head in the pitch and going down hill he became more determained to hault the root in the game (which he did) and inspire his defenders and Captain Sharps to relly on him to hold his own which is always needed for any back 5 to allow the others to attack. Time to come as we have a long way to go with Oxford Away (which i am miffed i can't go because of work so I am praying for snow down south) and then the big one with Bury on Boxing day and watching the football league show last night seems like he won't play for a while as looked nasty. Plus it must be noted I really liked Joe so I wish him all the best in his recovery. Lost me as well - who is injured? Think he might be on about Joe Skarz
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Dec 12, 2010 20:04:07 GMT 1
Lucky for Gomes that he doesn't play for us.
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Post by Jemmo on Dec 12, 2010 22:04:27 GMT 1
Heavenley, Your a prat. Pure and simple. Yes Chris Neal did fumble the ball but the shots were good ones at him and came through a group of players. Many goalkeepers may not have even managed to reclaim the ball but Chris did and fair play to him.
I personally like Chris Neal as our number one keeper and back him all the way...
Keep it up Chris !!!!
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Post by shrew4life on Dec 12, 2010 22:29:31 GMT 1
He fumbles so much it's not even worth starting a thread anymore. He funbled yet again yesterday and tipped a shot over the bar when it looked like a simple catch.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Dec 12, 2010 22:39:00 GMT 1
He should not of been caught out with that looping shot in the first place.
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Post by elmundo on Dec 12, 2010 22:50:28 GMT 1
He should not of been caught out with that looping shot in the first place. Correct me if I am wrong, but he wasn't "caught out." He pushed it over the bar, to make sure it didn't go in. One of the first things you are taught as a keeper is, if you aren't sure you can't catch it, just make sure it doesn't go in, exactly what Neal did. Yes, there are areas of his game he can improve, but this witch hunt is quite frankly pathetic.
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Post by lexo on Dec 12, 2010 23:12:00 GMT 1
Chris Neal is doing OK, his fumble was from a fierce drive ! (and Neal claimed it straight away after)
Why dont you raise a thred about all the misplaced passes ? or lack of our strikers not tracking back ? or why do our wingers swap over so much ?
Suggest Neal is given a break and given some support (he's way better than Glyn Garner at least)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2010 23:47:52 GMT 1
Not Neal's biggest fan but did OK yesterday. Excellent reaction to claiming the loose ball from the fumble, however as said above his kicking to Robbo is absolutely scandolous.
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Post by shrew4life on Dec 13, 2010 1:01:13 GMT 1
Lexo I think the wingers swapping over so much is tactical and if the strikers are told not to track back then they won't. How we would have loved for Holt to stay up front.
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Post by Exkeeper on Dec 13, 2010 1:02:28 GMT 1
I admit to feeling disappointed with his failure to stop the injury time equaliser at Wycombe, and absolutely p*ssed off with the mistake that presented Stevenage their goal. Other than that I have been quite happy with his overall performances. Even the best keepers, make mistakes - Cech, van der Sar, Reina, and Hart, who let a long range shot slip through his hands last week. Any young, inexperienced keeper who does not make mistakes, would certainly not be plying his trade in League 2. Get behind him - keepers thrive on confidence, which will not be helped if he reads some of the comments on here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2010 14:06:05 GMT 1
It was a save from the free kick, not a 'fumble'. And as others have pointed out, a good take to tidy up.
The second half shot he initially misread the level of swerve (it was a great hit), but easily palmed it over.
I think he's a half decent League 2 keeper - we were spoiled last year.
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Post by venceremos on Dec 13, 2010 15:27:28 GMT 1
Ridiculous criticism of Neal, who's generally been very good this season. The "fumble" in the first half was a very difficult save from a fierce strike and a terrific quick recovery of the loose ball. Idiotic to call that a mistake. Why not ask why the wall didn't do its job?
The distribution criticism is fairer but I don't think he's being presented with too many options to a big kick at the moment. It was hard enough to get our players interested in receiving an attacking throw in on Saturday. If Neal throws the ball out and puts someone under immediate pressure, he'll be slated for that. If no-one moves quickly into space for a throw out, then a kick's the only option. And his kicking's been solid all season.
Goalkeeping isn't a problem area.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Dec 13, 2010 15:38:33 GMT 1
It was a save from the free kick, not a 'fumble'. And as others have pointed out, a good take to tidy up. The second half shot he initially misread the level of swerve (it was a great hit), but easily palmed it over. I think he's a half decent League 2 keeper - we were spoiled last year. If we have any hope of going up we need a good keeper not a half decent one.Having a weak link in goal will cost us.As pointed out on this and other threads he has cost us big points(Wycombe) this season already.We cannot afford to drop any more points.
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Post by northwestman on Dec 13, 2010 16:37:02 GMT 1
Over harsh criticism of Neal methinks.
Peoples judgements of Luke Daniels are clouded by his excellent last couple of games for us. Before that game at Bury he had made a few mistakes and had never looked the same keeper since he was clattered by Marc Richards.
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Post by nicko on Dec 13, 2010 17:01:58 GMT 1
It was a save from the free kick, not a 'fumble'. And as others have pointed out, a good take to tidy up. The second half shot he initially misread the level of swerve (it was a great hit), but easily palmed it over. I think he's a half decent League 2 keeper - we were spoiled last year. If we have any hope of going up we need a good keeper not a half decent one.Having a weak link in goal will cost us.As pointed out on this and other threads he has cost us big points(Wycombe) this season already.We cannot afford to drop any more points. And he's kept us in games. Our failure to get automatic promotion this season will not be down to him.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Dec 13, 2010 19:19:57 GMT 1
If we have any hope of going up we need a good keeper not a half decent one.Having a weak link in goal will cost us.As pointed out on this and other threads he has cost us big points(Wycombe) this season already.We cannot afford to drop any more points. And he's kept us in games. Our failure to get automatic promotion this season will not be down to him. The 2 points he cost at Wycombe could be a major factor in our season so lets wait and see.
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Post by stockportershrew on Dec 13, 2010 19:21:28 GMT 1
I was in the south stand and behind the line of the first shot - it was hit with real venom and he got his body in the way and then was quick to pounce - definitely not a fumble. The second one the ball moved about and again not a fumble but a save. As various people have said before he's relatively inexperienced (has he made 30 full appearances yet?). Although he's mid twenties he's the equivelent of a 19 year old outfield player. We need to see whether he develops and not keep going out getting short term solutions in the form of loans otherwise we'll be back to square one next year again
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Post by tvor on Dec 13, 2010 19:34:07 GMT 1
The 2 points he cost at Wycombe could be a major factor in our season so lets wait and see. A ridiculously simplistic way of looking at things. Who cost us two points at Wycombe? The strikers and midfield players who missed a hatful of great chances in the first half, by which time we should have been out of sight? The player who gave away the stupid free kick in a dangerous area in the final minute. The defenders who then defended that free kick too deep? The players who then failed to properly close down the goalscorer from the resulting ball allowing him to shoot far too easily. Or Chris Neal who made one mistake in the game when deceived by the shot? What is quite clear, as stated by someone earlier in the thread, is that certain people have an obvious vendetta against Chris Neal. It seems such people will try to use the most ridiculous evidence available to try to back up such views rather than see things how they really are.
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