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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 8, 2010 19:50:47 GMT 1
Read the thread again. It was a reasonable discussion, two posts having a dig at Simpson at different levels, two highlighting issues with Constable in Simpson's favour and one sitting on the fence. Then you came steaming in and now the thread reads like a couple of school girls pulling each other's hair.
No-one expects you to post anything "Just for the sake of harmony" But I suggest a decent percentage of your posts are disagreeing just to have an argument. Your tone certainly suggests that.
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Post by Jonah on Dec 8, 2010 20:08:50 GMT 1
Interesting that the Oxford chairman is trying to talk up the value of a player starting on their bench at the moment. Interesting too, that it's non-league Luton mentioned as a possible destination for him. None of that suggests to me that I should change my mind about Constable just yet. I wasn't impressed when he played for us and I'll be very surprised if he attracts "serious money" now. Agree with this. As for ShrewEdHopeless................get over Simmo or see a shrink about your problem
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Post by theyesman on Dec 8, 2010 21:01:59 GMT 1
Wanted by Luton, says it all. Might get a few goals in this League but there's obviously a reason why he's been sat on Oxford's bench for a while now and is the clubs captain. In Simpson we trust
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Post by Shrewed on Dec 8, 2010 23:17:14 GMT 1
You are hardly the one to claim someone is a p**s poor poster when you reach the heights with: "quite proud tbh, just woke the family up to watch this pivotal moment in my life. i stand here at the pinnacle of my b&a career with the gaping abyss of another 206 posts ahead of me, welling up now so will have to go " Maybe you are Nick Clegg in disguise, promise one thing and do the opposite. Quite happy to discuss football or politics with anyone who has a serious view on the topic which unfortunately you regularly fail to demonstrate. By the way I went out to vote on May 6th I reckon that earns the right to complain. Did You? and it all comes to the surface, been saving that up? even went to the trouble of misquoting a joke thread, i should be flattered but you make me feel a little creeped out tbh. voting doesn't give you more right than anyone who didnt, it is a preposterous suggestion. voting has no impact on my freedom of speech if you're daft enough to vote in this sham of a system, i think you have less right to complain if anything. i am in no way culpable for what the government does, you on the other hand , failed to do enough to get your favorite center party into power, so deserve the consequences more. unlike you, i have actually thought about my personal politics, not just aped what the labour chap told you. i dont believe our system works, it allows the wrong people into power, has done for decades. Why should i take part in a system i dont believe works? I never thought I'd say this but I have more respect for people who get off their backsides and vote BNP that people who come up with feeble excuses for not voting. Even people who spoil their ballot paper have made an effort. It is time that we followed the example of the Australians and made voting compulsory allowing not any of the above as a valid vote. Why should you vote in a system you don't believe in because within a democracy the way you change things is by voting. Now we have the arrogance of Monkee he is the one who has thought about personal politics whereas we who support a party are just political lap dogs. Maybe Monkee you should spend a little time understanding how the political system in this country works.
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Post by Shrewed on Dec 8, 2010 23:28:27 GMT 1
Jesus, not another "Paul Simpson made a mistake in lettting James Constable go" thread, surely that means a Marc Pugh one is due and then Jimmy Ryan after that. Anyway as has been said a million times before, Paul Simpsons biggest mistake was not letting Constable go out on loan, it was not keeping on good terms with him and in regular contact which meant he felt neglected so was never going to come back to us. Ed, just to point out that whilst Simpson did sign a player in who your words "hadn't scored a goal from open play for 15 months" it was well known that Mr Peters was after him for a long time and he was a player with a decent record who most people were happy with. It was a gamble which didnt pay off. There is not a single manager out there who has made the right call everytime when it comes to signing players and then releasing players. We know that Paul Simpsons transfer dealings were mainly poor (to put it mildly) but Im not sure why the constant reminder as players we let go. Let it go and move on Paul I agree with you entirely that Simpson's mistake was in allowing Constable to go out on a season long loan and not keeping tabs on him at Oxford where he was scoring for fun. Not sure about the relevance of Peters trying to bring Walker in it was at a different time and with a different squad. My only reason for responding to this thread was to stop, he that must not be named, from rewriting history. Jonah, could you give me the name of the shrink you visited regarding your Peters fixation, I'm still having nightmares about going to Town matches and never seeing a shot on target.
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Post by simianus on Dec 8, 2010 23:49:03 GMT 1
and it all comes to the surface, been saving that up? even went to the trouble of misquoting a joke thread, i should be flattered but you make me feel a little creeped out tbh. voting doesn't give you more right than anyone who didnt, it is a preposterous suggestion. voting has no impact on my freedom of speech if you're daft enough to vote in this sham of a system, i think you have less right to complain if anything. i am in no way culpable for what the government does, you on the other hand , failed to do enough to get your favorite center party into power, so deserve the consequences more. unlike you, i have actually thought about my personal politics, not just aped what the labour chap told you. i dont believe our system works, it allows the wrong people into power, has done for decades. Why should i take part in a system i dont believe works? I never thought I'd say this but I have more respect for people who get off their backsides and vote BNP that people who come up with feeble excuses for not voting. Even people who spoil their ballot paper have made an effort. It is time that we followed the example of the Australians and made voting compulsory allowing not any of the above as a valid vote. Why should you vote in a system you don't believe in because within a democracy the way you change things is by voting. Now we have the arrogance of Monkee he is the one who has thought about personal politics whereas we who support a party are just political lap dogs. Maybe Monkee you should spend a little time understanding how the political system in this country works. oh dear, you've gone all emotional now . despite all the evidence to the contrary you still cling to your red raft. sorry if it makes you upset to think that your vote is pretty pointless, all these accusations of feebleness and arrogance are quite natural, it's more comfortable than accepting, or even entertaining the idea that our votes don't actually do much good. a very closed mind. it isnt my fault that our politicians are generally corrupt and self serving. the only thing you do by voting, is decide which of them gets a ticket on the gravy train for themselves and their pals. i am quite happy to vote, just not when the people i am electing represent themselves only. you should be angry at them, not me, but i forgive you
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Post by Shrewed on Dec 9, 2010 0:09:15 GMT 1
Time Monkee you came down from your ivory tower and lived in the real world where not everything is perfectly how we want it and we have to fight for what we believe. You seemed to have taken the easy way out by saying I can't do anything to change things. Whereas people who become proactive can influence change maybe initially locally but in the longer term nationally. I may only have a small voice but you have no voice.
I wonder how many politicians you have actually met, not many I suspect because your views of them are so badly tainted. I have met many from all sides of the house and to a man or woman they have all been honourable and hard working people who fight for the rights of their constituents.
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Post by simianus on Dec 9, 2010 0:13:55 GMT 1
Read the thread again. It was a reasonable discussion, two posts having a dig at Simpson at different levels, two highlighting issues with Constable in Simpson's favour and one sitting on the fence. Then you came steaming in and now the thread reads like a couple of school girls pulling each other's hair. No-one expects you to post anything "Just for the sake of harmony" But I suggest a decent percentage of your posts are disagreeing just to have an argument. Your tone certainly suggests that. this is forum, you have discussions and arguments on them. somebody says something you dont agree with and you state your case in opposition. just like you have, although you seem to be opposing me rather than the argument. i would suggest that if i had used similar language to have a dig at Simpson, you wouldn't have even got involved. so is this really about how i put my argument across? plenty of people put their cases strongly on here, why is it a problem when i do it? the point still remains, and i am not alone in thinking that. neither you or shrewed54 had to respond to what i said , any more than i did to what had been said before. i don't understand the problem
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Post by simianus on Dec 9, 2010 0:27:42 GMT 1
Time Monkee you came down from your ivory tower and lived in the real world where not everything is perfectly how we want it and we have to fight for what we believe. You seemed to have taken the easy way out by saying I can't do anything to change things. Whereas people who become proactive can influence change maybe initially locally but in the longer term nationally. I may only have a small voice but you have no voice. I wonder how many politicians you have actually met, not many I suspect because your views of them are so badly tainted. I have met many from all sides of the house and to a man or woman they have all been honourable and hard working people who fight for the rights of their constituents. could we not have a conversation where you dont use pejorative terms like "ivory towers", it isnt helpful, it gives a somewhat judgemental tone, but i guess that is why you use it as you clearly arent daft. why do i need to meet politicians? it isnt what i aspire to and i dont need to meet them to know what is happening to the world and how wrong things are. But, you appear to be saying that until you get to know someone, meet them and understand where they are coming from, you have no right to criticize or form opinions on them. can you honestly say that you have done that with certain players and members of coaching staff? did you go and meet Paul simpson have a little chat and find out his motivation? because if i read what you said correctly, you have no right to criticize, and that is by your own argument? i am sure you will put me right.
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Post by Shrewed on Dec 9, 2010 0:48:20 GMT 1
Time Monkee you came down from your ivory tower and lived in the real world where not everything is perfectly how we want it and we have to fight for what we believe. You seemed to have taken the easy way out by saying I can't do anything to change things. Whereas people who become proactive can influence change maybe initially locally but in the longer term nationally. I may only have a small voice but you have no voice. I wonder how many politicians you have actually met, not many I suspect because your views of them are so badly tainted. I have met many from all sides of the house and to a man or woman they have all been honourable and hard working people who fight for the rights of their constituents. could we not have a conversation where you dont use pejorative terms like "ivory towers", it isnt helpful, it gives a somewhat judgemental tone, but i guess that is why you use it as you clearly arent daft. why do i need to meet politicians? it isnt what i aspire to and i dont need to meet them to know what is happening to the world and how wrong things are. But, you appear to be saying that until you get to know someone, meet them and understand where they are coming from, you have no right to criticize or form opinions on them. can you honestly say that you have done that with certain players and members of coaching staff? did you go and meet Paul simpson have a little chat and find out his motivation? because if i read what you said correctly, you have no right to criticize, and that is by your own argument? i am sure you will put me right. The difference between your view of politicians and my view of Paul Simpson is that my views are about his ability to do a job and yours is about the integrity of all politicians. Unfortunately your views are a generalisation.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Dec 9, 2010 9:39:41 GMT 1
'Eggman' supporting Mr Simpson, shock horror.
Then again what do you expect from someone who does the match previews on the official site hey Mr Marcus Braddock.
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Post by pvfc61 on Dec 9, 2010 19:05:31 GMT 1
Erm, IF the Oxford donkey's worth ''Serious money'' then with Mark Richards and his brother Jason we're sat on a gold mine!.....
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Post by Amsterdammer on Dec 9, 2010 20:07:20 GMT 1
I would suggest you are a bit of a drama queen Anyone know where that black kettle picture can be found?
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Post by stfcfan87 on Dec 10, 2010 11:49:15 GMT 1
Not sure why Luton apparently wanting Constable devalues him as a player - I'm sure Turner would want Messi! Just because you want something doesn't mean you get it!
My only other point is that while you may have not been too impressed with him, there were a lot of people that thought Constable looked more than decent in his spell with us and weren't too impressed with him being let out on loan, then even more so when we had no recall option despite him doing well and his replacement not. And then even more so when we sold him. That's certainly how I see it.
By the way, Constable has scored 7 in the league this season - only Robinson (8) has managed more for us.
And why on earth has this turned into a politics discussion?!?!
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Post by simianus on Dec 10, 2010 12:21:49 GMT 1
Not sure why Luton apparently wanting Constable devalues him as a player - I'm sure Turner would want Messi! Just because you want something doesn't mean you get it! My only other point is that while you may have not been too impressed with him, there were a lot of people that thought Constable looked more than decent in his spell with us and weren't too impressed with him being let out on loan, then even more so when we had no recall option despite him doing well and his replacement not. And then even more so when we sold him. That's certainly how I see it. By the way, Constable has scored 7 in the league this season - only Robinson (8) has managed more for us. And why on earth has this turned into a politics discussion?!?! politics happened because of the unique style of hope2010 mark wright has scored 10 goals this season
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Dec 10, 2010 12:24:02 GMT 1
'Eggman' you are a terrible poster.
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Post by simianus on Dec 10, 2010 13:31:16 GMT 1
'Eggman' you are a terrible poster. stalking is a regular habit of yours, i hope i am not going to be your current obsession. i let you have the earlier comment because you owed me one for the comment on the beatles thread. dont lets turn this into a personal slanging battle as people dont seem to like it and it probably wouldnt be a fair battle
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Post by Shrewed on Dec 10, 2010 16:05:40 GMT 1
politics happened because of the unique style of hope2010 I know you like to rewrite history and I hate to correct you but you were the first to mention politics on this thread.
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Post by simianus on Dec 10, 2010 16:16:13 GMT 1
i would suggest you are a bit of a drama queen, look at the terms you use" defending the indefensible" , we aren't talking about a pedophile here, its a bloke who failed to live up to expectations by a short way. you misinterpret pretty much everything that is put to you, use that very patronizing "maybe you dont understand" rubbish. you never bring anything positive to the board, always whinging about the goverment or the football team. all in all a p**s poor poster imo and if you dont like the terms i use, take the advice ant gave me when i objected to a term , grow a pair You are hardly the one to claim someone is a p**s poor poster when you reach the heights with: "quite proud tbh, just woke the family up to watch this pivotal moment in my life. i stand here at the pinnacle of my b&a career with the gaping abyss of another 206 posts ahead of me, welling up now so will have to go " Maybe you are Nick Clegg in disguise, promise one thing and do the opposite. Quite happy to discuss football or politics with anyone who has a serious view on the topic which unfortunately you regularly fail to demonstrate. By the way I went out to vote on May 6th I reckon that earns the right to complain. Did You?
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Post by Shrewed on Dec 10, 2010 16:33:02 GMT 1
Monkey, Government is politics, thanks for proving my point
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Post by simianus on Dec 10, 2010 16:49:31 GMT 1
Monkey, Government is politics, thanks for proving my point if it is that important to you, take it, call it a little victory for your mental trophy cabinet. but 1government most certainly isnt politics, it may involve politics but that is the problem, not enough actual governing for good, too much governing for politics. 2. i was bringing up the subjects you talked about, maybe i should have known that it would give you an opportunity to change the subject, but i trusted you
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