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Post by onthetrain92 on Dec 2, 2010 23:39:23 GMT 1
I think as a country we are hated and envied by other countries so much because what we have. How the **** did we only get 2 votes, its as bad and corrupt as Eurovision!
2 votes and out in the first round what a stitch up, what a laughing stock, this people are taking the p**s out of us and we are letting them do it.
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Dec 2, 2010 23:44:22 GMT 1
We're a fairly insular nation compared to most and come off badly because of this. Our media kicking up a s**tstorm just puts the boot in any tiny chance we had anyway.
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Post by albionshrew on Dec 3, 2010 0:08:08 GMT 1
Fifa had an agenda (and criteria) that favoured third world countries - not necessarily a bad thing - to spread soccer throughout the world. So why make England and the other civilised/developed western european countries spend so much time and effort for the past 2 years? Our 2 votes was an insult. I wonder what crooked deals were done 'behind the scenes' by Warner and his pals? Perhaps the Welsh would have stood a better chance than England - after all, they only have one decent stadium like the Russians! (Pinch of salt required here!)
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Dec 3, 2010 0:14:15 GMT 1
Fifa had an agenda (and criteria) that favoured third world countries - not necessarily a bad thing - to spread soccer throughout the world. So why make England and the other civilised/developed western european countries spend so much time and effort for the past 2 years? Our 2 votes was an insult. I wonder what crooked deals were done 'behind the scenes' by Warner and his pals? Perhaps the Welsh would have stood a better chance than England - after all, they only have one decent stadium like the Russians! (Pinch of salt required here!) So Russia and Qatar are third world countries? Qatar's economy is booming and the 2nd highest income per person in the world, much oil!
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 3, 2010 0:30:47 GMT 1
Ever since Havalange campaigned to succeed/overthrow Stanley Rous FIFA has been run by doing favours for football associations in the Third World - in return for favours.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2010 0:43:03 GMT 1
Fifa had an agenda (and criteria) that favoured third world countries - not necessarily a bad thing - to spread soccer throughout the world. So why make England and the other civilised/developed western european countries spend so much time and effort for the past 2 years? Our 2 votes was an insult. I wonder what crooked deals were done 'behind the scenes' by Warner and his pals? Perhaps the Welsh would have stood a better chance than England - after all, they only have one decent stadium like the Russians! (Pinch of salt required here!) So Russia and Qatar are third world countries? Qatar's economy is booming and the 2nd highest income per person in the world, much oil! Qatar hosting the World Cup in 2022 will benefit third world countries aswell as the tournament treading new grounds in regards to being in the Middle East. Their plans are to erect modular stadiums that can be transported to poorer countries once the World Cup is over.
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Post by theNOTORIOUSfbs on Dec 3, 2010 1:13:28 GMT 1
At least after the 2022 World Cup, Qatar will have some cracking stadiums to stone women in.
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Post by Victoria on Dec 3, 2010 3:41:26 GMT 1
Putin must have known they were going to win, hence his no show at the vote.
No paper bags full of money there, just the threat of paper bags filled with Polonium 210.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2010 7:20:43 GMT 1
or so very arrogant as to think the only way we could possibly loose was for the whole thing to be a stitch up?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2010 8:18:33 GMT 1
Throughout Europe we are deemed untrustworthy and that spreads worldwide.
A typical example is the EC where we are neither one thing or the other and the remaining members never know where we stand.
As regards football, there was supposed to be an agreement whereby we did not bid against Germany in 2006 and in return Germany would support our later bid. The FA in their wisdom thought they knew better and back stabbed. Hence no Europen support for our 2018 bid.
England's word is their bond. I don't think so.
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Post by Shrewed on Dec 3, 2010 9:00:04 GMT 1
I think as a country we are hated and envied by other countries so much because what we have. How the **** did we only get 2 votes, its as bad and corrupt as Eurovision! 2 votes and out in the first round what a stitch up, what a laughing stock, this people are taking the p**s out of us and we are letting them do it. Matron you are right, what arrogance some posters show, they think that England only had to put in a bid to hold the world cup and all countries would be rushing to vote for us. Lets put our own house in order and return the game to the fans remove the influence of SKY and reduce the dominance of the Premier League. Then just maybe the rest of the world will see English football as a sport rather than just a business.
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Dec 3, 2010 9:14:25 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 3, 2010 9:55:33 GMT 1
or so very arrogant as to think the only way we could possibly loose was for the whole thing to be a stitch up? We have some many good things going for our bid. To get only two votes you do have to think sommat is up. If they wanted to take the world cup to new locations then they FIFA should have said so a long time back and mantioned that was one of the criteria for the vote. As they didnt you would hope they bid on face value of all those who submitted. All things considered you do have to ask why we performed so poor in the vote... I can't say I'm miffed its not going to England (I wanted Spain/Portugal and the USA) but FIFA is rotten to the core and this just highlights it once again. If they wanted to send the World Cup to places new then say so, two years back, saving those countries who have held the cup previous loads of money. Save seeing your bid team sucking up to FIFA executives too...that in itself is awful to see...
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Post by Shrewed on Dec 3, 2010 10:08:17 GMT 1
Surely of the decision process to decide whether to bid or not is to guage the support within FIFA for England holding the World Cup.
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Post by jaytee on Dec 3, 2010 10:40:45 GMT 1
Of course it's a stitch up. Why do you think we come last in the European Song Contest, when we can perform classics such as "Bing Bong A Bang Bong".
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Post by stfcfan87 on Dec 3, 2010 13:55:15 GMT 1
Both bid selections are bizarre when baring in mind FIFA have a 'kick out racism' campaign yet have chosen a country where clubs have openly stated that their fans do not want black footballers, and a campaign to support gay footballers and fans, when they've picked a country where being gay is illegal.
Well done FIFA, obviously says a lot about your support for those two eh
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Post by albionshrew on Dec 3, 2010 14:55:13 GMT 1
So Russia and Qatar are third world countries? Qatar's economy is booming and the 2nd highest income per person in the world, much oil! Qatar hosting the World Cup in 2022 will benefit third world countries aswell as the tournament treading new grounds in regards to being in the Middle East. Their plans are to erect modular stadiums that can be transported to poorer countries once the World Cup is over. I do not have a problem with Russia or Qatar hosting the competition at all - I just think that Fifa should have made it clear that western european countries who already had the facilities in place had no chance at all.
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Post by onthetrain92 on Dec 3, 2010 16:57:43 GMT 1
Ok lets take the FIFA Confedarations Cup for example it used to be every 2 years and held int he same country every year, nows its every 4 years and played int he host nation to the world cup, that now means they get 2 tournaments which are on a massive scale two years in a row. I'd say Scrap that and go back to having it every 2 years and give it to those that fail there world cup bid. I'd settle for having the confedarations cup in 2015, 17, 19 or 2021 as it could be just as big as a world cup. for instance you have the world champions along with the champions of each fedaration plus a host simples. It should be hosted in a country already capable of hosting it which would suit any of the Euro nations that bidded except Russia along with possibly any of the rest of the world nations except Qater becuase they don't have the stadiums! Yet they get the world cup?!
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Post by Amsterdammer on Dec 3, 2010 17:21:09 GMT 1
Ok lets take the FIFA Confedarations Cup for example it used to be every 2 years and held int he same country every year, nows its every 4 years and played int he host nation to the world cup, that now means they get 2 tournaments which are on a massive scale two years in a row. I'd say Scr@p that and go back to having it every 2 years and give it to those that fail there world cup bid. I'd settle for having the confedarations cup in 2015, 17, 19 or 2021 as it could be just as big as a world cup. for instance you have the world champions along with the champions of each fedaration plus a host simples. It should be hosted in a country already capable of hosting it which would suit any of the Euro nations that bidded except Russia along with possibly any of the rest of the world nations except Qater becuase they don't have the stadiums! Yet they get the world cup?! Not a bad idea, certainly better than your WFA idea. ;D FIFA use it as a warm up competition to test the facilities and infrastructure. I don't thiknk anyone real cares about the tournament unless you are in it. Personally I'd rather see a return to the home nations championship at some point. But it just adds more games and could be a real field day for the hoolies.
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Post by blazey on Dec 3, 2010 17:48:16 GMT 1
I think as a country we are hated and envied by other countries so much because what we have. How the **** did we only get 2 votes, its as bad and corrupt as Eurovision! 2 votes and out in the first round what a stitch up, what a laughing stock, this people are taking the p**s out of us and we are letting them do it. Matron you are right, what arrogance some posters show, they think that England only had to put in a bid to hold the world cup and all countries would be rushing to vote for us. Lets put our own house in order and return the game to the fans remove the influence of SKY and reduce the dominance of the Premier League. Then just maybe the rest of the world will see English football as a sport rather than just a business. Top post.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 3, 2010 18:55:01 GMT 1
as i've said already
money talks
russia and qatar
worst bids worst everything
most £$£$£$£$$£$£$£
so england recently played brazil in qatar
i dont suppose the gave us a back hander did they ?
it seems ok for us to do deals but not anyone else
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2010 19:36:47 GMT 1
. As regards football, there was supposed to be an agreement whereby we did not bid against Germany in 2006 and in return Germany would support our later bid. The FA in their wisdom thought they knew better and back stabbed. . Yes I remember hearing that, had it been a country doing it to us there would have been uproar. There will be people who will be claiming that its a sign that FIFA and the rest of the world hates England, its a conspiracy etc. Then there will be those who say we are arrogant and have no divine right to win the world cup. Ignore both schools of thoughts and look at the fact that it was acknowledged that we had the best bid but we finished last in the bidding. How can that be right? I can just about accept that FIFA want to take the world cup to all corners of the globe, but I cant accept that we should accumulate the least amount of votes, to me theres something rotten when it comes to FIFA and their attitude towards English football. Personally I think the Panorama programme actually made FIFA's life easier as they could now not choose us and use our media as a scapegoat. What will be interesting is when it comes to the 2026 world cup bidding, lets see if FIFA continue with the "lets take football to new frontiers" march or give it to some of the more traditional places.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Dec 3, 2010 19:45:44 GMT 1
Lets put our own house in order and return the game to the fans remove the influence of SKY and reduce the dominance of the Premier League. Then just maybe the rest of the world will see English football as a sport rather than just a business. I agree with Marx
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Post by griff6732 on Dec 4, 2010 0:43:32 GMT 1
I think as a country we are hated and envied by other countries so much because what we have. How the **** did we only get 2 votes, its as bad and corrupt as Eurovision! 2 votes and out in the first round what a stitch up, what a laughing stock, this people are taking the p**s out of us and we are letting them do it. Matron you are right, what arrogance some posters show, they think that England only had to put in a bid to hold the world cup and all countries would be rushing to vote for us. Lets put our own house in order and return the game to the fans remove the influence of SKY and reduce the dominance of the Premier League. Then just maybe the rest of the world will see English football as a sport rather than just a business. Perhaps the FACT we were top in the ratings for every criteria made some of us a bit surprised we only got 2 votes,nothing to do with arrogance
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Post by simianus on Dec 4, 2010 0:48:35 GMT 1
Matron you are right, what arrogance some posters show, they think that England only had to put in a bid to hold the world cup and all countries would be rushing to vote for us. Lets put our own house in order and return the game to the fans remove the influence of SKY and reduce the dominance of the Premier League. Then just maybe the rest of the world will see English football as a sport rather than just a business. Perhaps the FACT we were top in the ratings for every criteria made some of us a bit surprised we only got 2 votes,nothing to do with arrogance the main point imo, all the other bits are side issues, we have been punished for challenging corruption, it's quite obvious as we would have come further up the rankings. no problem with any other country having it in a fair system, but we havent got one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2010 8:07:55 GMT 1
[Perhaps the FACT we were top in the ratings for every criteria made some of us a bit surprised we only got 2 votes,nothing to do with arrogance and apparently then little to do with hatred or envy and lots to do with corruption?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2010 11:49:40 GMT 1
I think as a country we are hated and envied by other countries so much because what we have. How the **** did we only get 2 votes, its as bad and corrupt as Eurovision! 2 votes and out in the first round what a stitch up, what a laughing stock, this people are taking the p**s out of us and we are letting them do it. Matron you are right, what arrogance some posters show, they think that England only had to put in a bid to hold the world cup and all countries would be rushing to vote for us. Lets put our own house in order and return the game to the fans remove the influence of SKY and reduce the dominance of the Premier League. Then just maybe the rest of the world will see English football as a sport rather than just a business. Ed, whilst its clear there are problems within English football, specifically relating to the amount of debt clubs are in, its a bit rich to say the English need to get their house in order when you look at problems around the world Theres lots of problems with various leagues in Europe (and around the world) ranging from serious debt, match fixing, hooliganism, racism, corruption and so on. English football isnt perfect but I would argue that its biggest problem stems from the growing commercialism of the game. However to suggest that it is only in England where profit is put before sporting success would be very, very naive. You only have to do a google search of most profitable clubs in Europe to see that But anyway what has the English Premier League go to do with the English World Cup bid? Surely the fact that this years world cup was in South Africa and the 2022 will be held in Qatar shows that the strength of the host nations domestic league is immaterial.
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Post by Shrewed on Dec 6, 2010 8:14:11 GMT 1
Matron you are right, what arrogance some posters show, they think that England only had to put in a bid to hold the world cup and all countries would be rushing to vote for us. Lets put our own house in order and return the game to the fans remove the influence of SKY and reduce the dominance of the Premier League. Then just maybe the rest of the world will see English football as a sport rather than just a business. Ed, whilst its clear there are problems within English football, specifically relating to the amount of debt clubs are in, its a bit rich to say the English need to get their house in order when you look at problems around the world Theres lots of problems with various leagues in Europe (and around the world) ranging from serious debt, match fixing, hooliganism, racism, corruption and so on. English football isnt perfect but I would argue that its biggest problem stems from the growing commercialism of the game. However to suggest that it is only in England where profit is put before sporting success would be very, very naive. You only have to do a google search of most profitable clubs in Europe to see that But anyway what has the English Premier League go to do with the English World Cup bid? Surely the fact that this years world cup was in South Africa and the 2022 will be held in Qatar shows that the strength of the host nations domestic league is immaterial. Paul the Premier League is seen across the world as English football. Slowly it together with its partner SKy are in my opinion destroying the international team. Games are no longer played for the fans who go out in all weather to support their clubs they are played for the convenience of a Media company. It is ridiculous that only just over 30% of the players on any weekend playing in the Premiership are English. The wages paid means that now rarely do the best players move into coaching or finish their careers playing for clubs like the Town. Just a couple of examples about how English (premiership) football is perceived by Blatter and I must admit my views are closer to Blatter's rather than Scudamore. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/5056616/Sepp-Blatter-Premier-League-is-just-about-making-money.htmlwww.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/apr/01/sepp-blatter-premier-league-debtwww.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/mar/06/fifa-sepp-blatter-premier-league
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Post by stfcfan87 on Dec 6, 2010 11:15:14 GMT 1
You may be right in some ways that the premier league is bad for the international game, however, i disagree with your second point - there's plenty former international footballers who have moved into management - keane, ince, hughes, bruce, gazza, platt, pearce, adams, solskjaer etc. At Spurs Les Ferdinand and Tim Sherwood are involved in the coaching set up too and I'm sure there are many other examples.
Not too sure why it is important that players past their best play at lower levels - don't see that is a problem really but it does occasionally happen - Anderton at Bournemouth being one.
The trouble with those articles is that it's just about the premier league. Does Blatter not have a similar train of thought about La Liga?? Barcelona are in massive debt, Real Madrid have been in the past - only saved because of the government buying their training ground - and are bankrolled by a very rich president. Valencia have a ridiculous level of debt, and most other spanish clubs are in the red too. Does he not have a viewpoint on the fact that Real and Barca get far far far more money from tv revenue than the rest of la liga which has increased their dominance??
And Qatar, how strong is their domestic league??? Could you name one club or Qatar player off the top of your head??? The only players that play in Qatar that I've heard of are players who have finished at the top level and have gone off for a mega pay day - e.g. Batistuta in the past. I even think Qatar have in the past ended up cheating in effect with the national team in that they've encouraged brazilian players to come over and play in their league and then have rushed through their citizenship so they can qualify for the Qatar team - is that ok then?!
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Post by Shrewed on Dec 6, 2010 15:28:03 GMT 1
You may be right in some ways that the premier league is bad for the international game, however, i disagree with your second point - there's plenty former international footballers who have moved into management - keane, ince, hughes, bruce, gazza, platt, pearce, adams, solskjaer etc. At Spurs Les Ferdinand and Tim Sherwood are involved in the coaching set up too and I'm sure there are many other examples. Not too sure why it is important that players past their best play at lower levels - don't see that is a problem really but it does occasionally happen - Anderton at Bournemouth being one. The trouble with those articles is that it's just about the premier league. Does Blatter not have a similar train of thought about La Liga?? Barcelona are in massive debt, Real Madrid have been in the past - only saved because of the government buying their training ground - and are bankrolled by a very rich president. Valencia have a ridiculous level of debt, and most other spanish clubs are in the red too. Does he not have a viewpoint on the fact that Real and Barca get far far far more money from tv revenue than the rest of la liga which has increased their dominance?? And Qatar, how strong is their domestic league??? Could you name one club or Qatar player off the top of your head??? The only players that play in Qatar that I've heard of are players who have finished at the top level and have gone off for a mega pay day - e.g. Batistuta in the past. I even think Qatar have in the past ended up cheating in effect with the national team in that they've encouraged brazilian players to come over and play in their league and then have rushed through their citizenship so they can qualify for the Qatar team - is that ok then?! I think if you look back to the last century you will find a far higher number of managers who had played the game at the highest level. Would Shrewsbury have been a poorer club without the likes of Rowley, Broadbent, Durban, Daly I suggest it would have been. I doubt we will ever see the likes again at the Meadow. Yes other clubs have high levels of debt but do other clubs have the number of foreign stars. The Premier League is the biggest block to a 6 - 5 ratio of foreign players as proposed by FIFA. Personally I have no interest in the Premier League and would not travel 10 miles to see a game and rarely watch even highlights on the telly.
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