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Post by lionshrew on Nov 30, 2010 23:23:13 GMT 1
England for 2018
Australia for 2022
2018 choices are England, Russia, Portugal/Spain and Belgium/Holland.
2022 choices are Australia, Qatar, USA, South Korea and Japan.
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Post by Ned on Nov 30, 2010 23:32:22 GMT 1
Think it'll be Portugal/Spain and USA.
No chance whatsoever that England will get it, after the Panorama programme as well as David Beckham's private life.
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Post by Tux on Nov 30, 2010 23:35:25 GMT 1
Fifa have stated they are not very keen on joint bids. The BBC have ****ed us over so that's us out of the picture.
Looks like its going to Russia.
As for 2022 I'm guessing the USA.
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Post by shrewroo on Nov 30, 2010 23:41:34 GMT 1
For 2022 Qatar have the most progressive bid; the rate that they are investing in their infustructure amid the CFC (current financial crisis) is alarming. The smart money is on them imo
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Dec 1, 2010 0:02:47 GMT 1
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 1, 2010 0:20:02 GMT 1
Spain / Portugal and then Australia
If England do get it I will be delighted though
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Dec 1, 2010 0:20:50 GMT 1
p**sed off with Panorama/BBC. Its Russia's to lose for me, I'm not expecting us to host it so it will be a pleasant surprise if we do but won't be too disappointed if we don't.
I'll go for:
2018 - Russia
2022 - Qatar
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Post by onthetrain92 on Dec 1, 2010 0:39:38 GMT 1
The BBC have betrayed our country, infact its treason they should all be hanged.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 1, 2010 0:40:08 GMT 1
i think north/south korea will share it
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Post by tlw1987 on Dec 1, 2010 9:37:24 GMT 1
I want to go to the 2018 World Cup so I'm kind of hoping we don't host it because what will make attending it better is the whole different culture of another country. Although it would be sweet to attend some other games up this way in Birmingham and the North West if we do host it. So either way I'm not too fussed.
2022: it would be good to see it in Australia.
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Post by Ned on Dec 1, 2010 11:47:27 GMT 1
No chance whatsoever that England will get it, after the Panorama programme as well as David Beckham's private life. As if that will make any difference at all! As an ambassador for the bid, yes it would. It's like something similar happening with Luis Figo for their bid.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 1, 2010 11:56:07 GMT 1
I think it'll be Spain and Portugal for 2018 and the USA for 2022.
I won't be disappointed if England don’t get it, not by a long way. Its cringeworthy some of the stuff the bidding team have some out with, awful stuff. I lot of folk do care as to how FIFA conduct themselves and go about things. It makes a big difference to me as to whether I would want the World Cup in England...
By the by, everyone is talking about England and the support expected. Would folk actually make the effort to attend a game? As I just think back to Euro96 where some of the crowds were really, really poor. I think for the most part because of the cost of a ticket. And that'll be worse come 2018, it'll no doubt be more expensive...
Also, whenever I think of Russia and football I think of corruption, racism and hooligans...has that picture changed now, is that in the past? As I've been surprised that they have been in the running nevermind the bookies favs...
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Post by Amsterdammer on Dec 1, 2010 12:01:07 GMT 1
As an ambassador for the bid, yes it would. It's like something similar happening with Luis Figo for their bid. What did Beckham do? Did I miss something? If we get it it will be for the economics. A bit like the Rugby World Cup coming up, we are the low risk option with guaranteed profits and commercial opportunities for FIFA. They can then use 2022 as an opportunity to 'spread the gospel of football' to somewhere new. You could think that the FIFA guys are getting to the age in life where they 'want to make a difference' before they depart having earned all the backhanders they could ever need. That points maybe towards Russia as the new bidder and maybe Australia or even Qatar. Someone joked above, but the FIFA dream would be a World Cup in unified Korea, so Blatter can get the reflected glory of bringing democracy to the world (his insistence on Mandela attending the final a good example). The winners are likely to be linked due to block support going around. So if Spain gets 2018, Qatar will get 2022. If England gets 2018, the USA will get 2022.
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Post by der kaiser on Dec 1, 2010 12:46:03 GMT 1
The BBC have betrayed our country, infact its treason they should all be hanged. So by exposing corruption within FIFA they are betraying the country? Personally I hope England don't get the 2018 World Cup. Everybody seems to be looking at this through rose coloured glasses. The English bid has betrayed our History by selecting Franchise FC as one of the (Potential) host cities. Another potential host Plymouth are in financial difficulties news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/p/plymouth_argyle/9242466.stmLiverpool could potentially be in a £1bn Lawsuit. It has been well documented about the ManYoo Debt that United are servicing for the Glazers. Wembley is losing money year on year. And we think we can run a World Cup? That's even before the who money diverted from grass roots funding so new stadia can be built. Does saying all this make me a traitor?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2010 12:56:20 GMT 1
It's worth c. 100,000 jobs to this country. That in itself is a massive incentive to win it.
I know the odds are against it but I will be absolutely delighted if we do win the vote.
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Post by shrewblue on Dec 1, 2010 12:59:29 GMT 1
Would like it to be England and Australia but expect it to be Russia and U.S.A.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 1, 2010 13:04:54 GMT 1
It's worth c. 100,000 jobs to this country. That in itself is a massive incentive to win it. For the Polish you mean or?
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Post by Fingers on Dec 1, 2010 13:11:49 GMT 1
South Africa 2010 and Brazil 2014 have and will leave a legacy behind which is far greater than anything the Worlc Cup will bring to a developed country such as England.
We have the roads, the stadia and the know how of running an event. Yes some stadia will be new and some renovated but are they actually needed?
Russia has far more to gain from a World Cup - they have also never hosted the event.
Spain/Portugal - FIFA were shying away from joint bids and with Spain hosting 1982 World Cup I think they should wait a little longer before they are involved again - it would also cause a major rethink for qualification - something which will have to happen anyway imo.
Belgium/Netherlands is a complete non-starter.
2022 - Qatar or Australia - both are in need of developing the game, much more than Korea/Japan, I also think it is too early for USA to host it again.
For 2018, will FIFA go with a trusted country with a history of hosting major events for the first time since Germany 2006? I think so, I hope it is England - it has been away from our shores for far too long. We hit the 100% mark on all of the financial criterion my only concern is the 'legacy' that FIFA like to leave and despite corruption & long travel distances Russia are favourites for this reason.
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Post by Dancin on Dec 1, 2010 13:56:11 GMT 1
If England do get it I will be delighted though I'll be amazed But having said that Portugal/Spain & Beligum all have serious internal Financial Problems to sort out and FIFA could see that as a negative. Russia is a strong bid but due to the size of country and where there planning to stage games, travelling internally will be a big problem, I like that is a negative. With regards to 2022 - Australia, Qatar, USA, S Korea/Japan in that order
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Post by simianus on Dec 1, 2010 14:11:00 GMT 1
It's worth c. 100,000 jobs to this country. That in itself is a massive incentive to win it. I know the odds are against it but I will be absolutely delighted if we do win the vote. interesting figure , 100,000 jobs. surely thats massaged , the stadiums are already built and will have people who work for them already, would be interested in the source of the 100,000.
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Post by Dale on Dec 1, 2010 15:46:09 GMT 1
I'd be very surprised if England win the 2018 bid, FIFA have always been anti English anyways, particularly that corrupt t**t Jack Warner, would love to see Australia win the 2022 bid though, think they would do a great job of hosting the tournament, only problem is that it would be held during their winter as with South Africa but I guess the Australian winters are nowhere near as harsh as the European ones.
I reckon Spain/Portugal will win the 2018 bid, but I really hope I'm wrong.....
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Post by shrewsburyshrew on Dec 1, 2010 17:28:53 GMT 1
Haven't we been selected as a potential training camp for a team if England were to win the 2018 world cup?
That would be fantastic for the club, town and county and for that reason alone I pray we win the bid.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 1, 2010 18:22:59 GMT 1
the stadiums are already built Apart from the ones in Nottingham, Plymouth, Bristol, North London (Tottenham), Liverpool (New Anfield), Milton Keynes and Sheffield. 3 of those will be brand new, and 5 will be major redevelopments, 2 of those five being basically new stadiums on the same site. Think of the transport / accommodation / hospitality / merchandising opportunities of hundreds of thousands of people visiting. That is a heck of a lot of flights / trains / pints / burgers / camp sites / hire cars...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2010 18:29:02 GMT 1
It's worth c. 100,000 jobs to this country. That in itself is a massive incentive to win it. I know the odds are against it but I will be absolutely delighted if we do win the vote. interesting figure , 100,000 jobs. surely thats massaged , the stadiums are already built and will have people who work for them already, would be interested in the source of the 100,000. Deleted my previous post as TBH has put it nicely above. Per the bid almost 90,000 jobs were created in Germany in 2006 - an economy and football infrastructure (stadium wise) not a million miles different to ourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2010 19:49:41 GMT 1
I think the fact England will not have hosted the WC for 52 years may well pull the vote Englands way
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Post by WindsorShrew on Dec 1, 2010 20:30:04 GMT 1
Think it'll be Portugal/Spain and USA. No chance whatsoever that England will get it, after the Panorama programme as well as David Beckham's private life. I can just about follow the Panorama thread there but what has beckhams private life got to do with it ?
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Post by simianus on Dec 1, 2010 20:50:36 GMT 1
the stadiums are already built Apart from the ones in Nottingham, Plymouth, Bristol, North London (Tottenham), Liverpool (New Anfield), Milton Keynes and Sheffield. 3 of those will be brand new, and 5 will be major redevelopments, 2 of those five being basically new stadiums on the same site. Think of the transport / accommodation / hospitality / merchandising opportunities of hundreds of thousands of people visiting. That is a heck of a lot of flights / trains / pints / burgers / camp sites / hire cars... but the stadiums will be built regardless of the world cup, as will the infrastructure. plenty of overtime for those already in those jobs and maybe a bit of temp work for some, but the figure of 100,000 new jobs would mean 12,500 new jobs per location. does that not seem a little unrealistic, and even if it is a realistic number, it's only for the period of the tournament, and then things go back to normal. yes plenty of merchandise will be sold but i doubt much of the money for the official stuff will go anywhere but into fifa's coffers, and it will likely be manufactured in the far east, so hardly a boost to our manufacturing industry. i am somewhat cynical of the claims that are made about the good it does for the country, winning a world sports event is like a just war for a government. a popular move, and it includes lots of freebies for the corporate classes. fifa turns up, has a party, takes the profit and leaves you with the cleaning up to do.
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Post by lionshrew on Dec 1, 2010 22:20:51 GMT 1
We're favourites again. Odds at the moment: (courtesy of bet365) England 11/10 Russia 13/8 Portugal & Spain 4/1 Belgium & Holland 33/1
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Dec 2, 2010 1:26:27 GMT 1
www.oddschecker.com/football/internationals/world-cup/2018-hostThe odds seem to be getting better for us. Russia were favourites yesterday. A member of Russia's bid is not turning up to the vote tommorow as he thinks Russia has lost and he doesn't like losing. England are working right to the end and our presentation will be 'outstanding' and 'unbeatable'. I'm feeling more confident now. Favourites with all bookies, now at evens with Bet365 and 4-5 with SkyBet and BetFred.
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Post by lionshrew on Dec 2, 2010 1:42:11 GMT 1
Put a tenner on us hosting at Bet365. Odds were 11/10 when I put it on. Fairly Confidient
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