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Post by bradley on Nov 28, 2010 13:54:27 GMT 1
Panorama investigates corruption allegations against some of the FIFA officials who will vote on Englands world cup bid. They will expose new evidence of bribery and accuse some executives of taking kickbacks, they will also uncover the secret agreement that could guarantee FIFA a financial bonanza if England host the world cup.
Should the programme be shown tomorrow or should they wait until after the vote.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2010 14:01:22 GMT 1
They are getting criticised for the programme saying that it will undermine Englands bid so no one can understand why they are doing this, almost unpatriotic like.
However the timing of the programme should not be the issue, it should be the content and that is what obviously FIFA are worried about. To say that we would not get the world cup because the British media exposes FIFA corruption is quite frankly ridiculous but does not surprise me
From a BBC perspective, they are there to get ratings and they will get a lot more ratings when the issue is in the headlines as it is now with a decision due.
I think FIFA are being clever here and trying to deflect the attention away from them and putting it onto the BBC.
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Post by simianus on Nov 28, 2010 14:16:57 GMT 1
They are getting criticised for the programme saying that it will undermine Englands bid so no one can understand why they are doing this, almost unpatriotic like. However the timing of the programme should not be the issue, it should be the content and that is what obviously FIFA are worried about. To say that we would not get the world cup because the British media exposes FIFA corruption is quite frankly ridiculous but does not surprise me From a BBC perspective, they are there to get ratings and they will get a lot more ratings when the issue is in the headlines as it is now with a decision due. I think FIFA are being clever here and trying to deflect the attention away from them and putting it onto the BBC. agree totally, the threatening tone coming from fifa is disgusting, surely an organisation that wasnt rotten to the core would be glad to get rid of bad eggs. I read a really good book some years back by a chap named yallop that shows just how riddled with corruption fifa is. it put me off top level footie tbh observer.guardian.co.uk/sport/issues/story/0,,676083,00.html
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2010 17:31:43 GMT 1
Bad timing. I'm all for the BBC exposing any form of fraud etc. in the game they could easily show the programme in a week or two, still show what they want to, and not 'potentially' effect the England bid.
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Post by tlw1987 on Nov 28, 2010 17:36:53 GMT 1
Am I being stupid in thinking this, but in exposing corruption, surely we should be getting thanks shouldn't we?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 28, 2010 19:08:14 GMT 1
FIFA is rife with the abuse of patronage and privilege. The problem with the timing is its over a decade too late.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2010 19:45:01 GMT 1
The comments by Andy Anson that he wouldn't be watching the programme as he had better things to do were as disgraceful a comment as you'll find from anyone involved with the game in this country.
FIFA is a rotten organisation. Thank goodness for British investigative journalism.
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Post by nicko on Nov 29, 2010 20:10:28 GMT 1
I think saying that showing it tonight was unpatriotic takes the biscuit.
What a tool.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 29, 2010 20:41:31 GMT 1
Whether its shown tonight, tomorrow, next week or next month is by the by. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the England World Cup bid. The English free press and what they report has nothing to do with the England Word Cup bid. For anyone from FIFA to come out and say that it may have an influence on the bidding just goes to show how rotten the whole thing is. How they can clearly use the bidding process as a means to try and silence any investigations into wrong doing is beyond me...and yet there they are, clear as day, making these threats to the England bid. I hope we don't get it, just hate the thought of this country having to bend over backwards to please the folk at FIFA. Lets just wait until there are some decent folk running the game of football...
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Post by stfcfan87 on Nov 29, 2010 22:01:31 GMT 1
Very much agree with Ant. No problem with it being shown but why do they have to do it now when it could be the thing that costs us a world cup bid??
its as bad as some of the ridiculous papers
i haven't actually watched it as they cleverly scheduled it at the same time as barca real and leicester forest, so even more ridiculous considering it's obviously aimed at football fans
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Post by albionshrew on Nov 29, 2010 22:34:24 GMT 1
Who needs the World Cup when you have Division 4 football all season.....
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Post by barrynic on Nov 29, 2010 22:38:49 GMT 1
Very much agree with Ant. No problem with it being shown but why do they have to do it now when it could be the thing that costs us a world cup bid?? its as bad as some of the ridiculous papers i haven't actually watched it as they cleverly scheduled it at the same time as barca real and leicester forest, so even more ridiculous considering it's obviously aimed at football fans They have scheduled it at peak to get as many viewers as possible -------and ridiculous in the age of Sky plus......hardly, just good planning.
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Post by wibbin on Nov 29, 2010 22:55:19 GMT 1
Very much agree with Ant. No problem with it being shown but why do they have to do it now when it could be the thing that costs us a world cup bid?? its as bad as some of the ridiculous papers i haven't actually watched it as they cleverly scheduled it at the same time as barca real and leicester forest, so even more ridiculous considering it's obviously aimed at football fans If you think we have a chance of winning anything that Jack Warner is involved then fair play to you. As Stutty said, the bit that irks the most is our bid team kissing the arses of the FIFA delegates in an attempt to get their votes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2010 23:07:19 GMT 1
I've said on previous posts that f.i.f.a., especially under Blatters rule, is and will remain under him, rotten to the core. I am sure Englands bid will be played straight down the middle, if we win, great. But i would rather we lost than sink into the abyss of s**te inhabited by Blatter/ Warner and others.
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Post by nickjonesey on Nov 29, 2010 23:10:47 GMT 1
I watched tonight and I can't believe that the people accused weren't suspended pending investigation when the allegations were first coming out. Blatter seems to be happy to sweep it under the carpet rather than cut out the element in question. IMO this indicates that he has something to hide himself. The investigative reporter has not been compiling his dossier in secret- he has spent hours outside the Zurich FIFA hotel shouting questions at those suspected of being involved with the scandal. If the three individuals are allowed to vote on Thursday that tells me all I need to know.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Nov 29, 2010 23:34:19 GMT 1
So it was worth watching then for all the hype about it? if so will try and find out it on i-player later
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Post by texmexshrew on Nov 29, 2010 23:44:36 GMT 1
Havent the BBC done this before though? I'm sure I've seen a panorama style doc on FIFA corruption, pretty sure it was based on the votes for cash in the African continent. Havent seen this one, but its not new news.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Nov 30, 2010 8:08:52 GMT 1
Much as I -we would love to see the World Cup held in this country - I simply cannot descend in to the world of butt kissing and bribes.
It may hurt me to say so but I would rather we went without and held our heads high.
Blatters and i'm sure Fifas time will come.
The desire for fairness will never be completely satisfied, is giving one elected member a vote to cast the fairest system. Or those countries deemed as capable of hosting put in to a hat ? Heres the present incumbants.
Joseph S. BLATTER Switzerland Senior Vice President Julio H. GRONDONA Argentina
Vice President Issa HAYATOU Cameroon CHUNG Mong Joon Korea Republic Jack A. WARNER Trinidad and Tobago Ángel María VILLAR LLONA Spain Michel PLATINI France Reynald TEMARII Tahiti Geoff THOMPSON England Member Michel D'HOOGHE Belgium Ricardo Terra TEIXEIRA Brazil Mohamed BIN HAMMAM Qatar Senes ERZIK Turkey Chuck BLAZER USA Worawi MAKUDI Thailand Nicolás LEOZ Paraguay Junji OGURA Japan Amos ADAMU Nigeria Marios LEFKARITIS Cyprus Jacques ANOUMA Côte d'Ivoire Franz BECKENBAUER Germany Rafael SALGUERO Guatemala Hany ABO RIDA Egypt Vitaly MUTKO Russia Secretary General
Jérôme VALCKE France
Transexual Rights Activist Matron
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2010 9:16:59 GMT 1
The 2 things that were most revealing were:-
1) Warner was found guilty of selling tickets to touts in 2006 and he did exactly the same in 2010 without recrimination, so far.
2) Tax demands FIFA makes on each bidding country are supposed to remain secret but the Dutch have, actually, made them public. As one Dutch politician said, they would have to draft special laws for FIFA (an individual) to accomodate these demands.
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Post by RBA on Nov 30, 2010 9:45:09 GMT 1
FIFA is rotten- If saying that on the BBC means we ,lose the world cup then so be it - The problem isnt with the BBC its with FIFA .
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Post by simianus on Nov 30, 2010 11:24:08 GMT 1
i think the fuss this has caused has shown the likes of Linaker and Gorden Taylor to be at least a bit naive..
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Post by stfcfan87 on Nov 30, 2010 11:37:14 GMT 1
See I know that FIFA is rotten to the core, but I would absolutely love to be able to see a world cup in this country and I'm sure the majority of football fans would. I don't see what satisfaction I would gain from the moral highground over missing out on a once in a lifetime experience
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Post by simianus on Nov 30, 2010 11:43:26 GMT 1
See I know that FIFA is rotten to the core, but I would absolutely love to be able to see a world cup in this country and I'm sure the majority of football fans would. I don't see what satisfaction I would gain from the moral highground over missing out on a once in a lifetime experience and that is why they get away with it, morality vs self interest.
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Post by camdenshrew on Nov 30, 2010 13:25:09 GMT 1
The bid team say they were "embarrassed" by the programme. What, as embarrassing as taking a team to play in Trinidad to butter up the hateful Warner?
The timing of this is irrelevant. If the BBC had postponed the programme until three days after the vote, would it have made any difference? FIFA still knew the investigation was taking place.
It looks as if the FA and the 2018 bid team is already shaping up to use the BBC as a scapegoat if the English bid fails. However, it should be spending more time on calling for FIFA to hold the decision vote in public so at least there is some element of transparency involved.
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Post by Dancin on Nov 30, 2010 13:34:21 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 30, 2010 15:08:57 GMT 1
Was looking to Exalt Camden, Simianus & RBA but was only able to do the one? The Exalt option seems to have gone for a Burton...is that right is it? Can you only exalt one person on a thread or sommat? Anyhows, all good posts chaps...very much my own thinking too...
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Post by Amsterdammer on Nov 30, 2010 15:19:46 GMT 1
It looks as if the FA and the 2018 bid team is already shaping up to use the BBC as a scapegoat if the English bid fails. However, it should be spending more time on calling for FIFA to hold the decision vote in public so at least there is some element of transparency involved. They're not the only ones: Link------> Murdoch shaping up to give BBC a kicking There is talk of this being a 're-hash' of old allegations. Has anyone got the low down on that? That's key for me a to whether the BBC is behaving badly or not. There is no clean way to fix FIFA as the Turkey will never vote for Christmas. The only way to do it would be to set up a rival organisation which would lead to the break up of the international game for some time. So unfortunately it will always be a debate between pragmatism and idealism. Do you want international football and World Cups or not?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 30, 2010 15:31:47 GMT 1
The Prime Minister is to meet Warner today to try to smooth over the waters??!?! Unflipingbelievable that...the world has gone mad...
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Post by DaveG on Nov 30, 2010 15:41:35 GMT 1
The programme was a massive anti-climax. I am all in favour of Panorama going public whatever the timing, but it was a re-hash of allegations from as far back as 1995, and I think it was a shameless piece of hype by the BBc to get viewers.
Everyone knows individuals within FIFA are bent and have been for years but there was no smoking gun and very little of any real importance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2010 19:49:04 GMT 1
If the FA turns around and blames the BBC if our bid is unsuccessful, that is a bit rich.
Their own duplicitous behaviour goes back years. Supposedly backing Lennart Johannson (a friend to the British game in exile), they turned coat and backed Blatter for FIFA.
There was the so called agreement with Germany about World Cup bidding which the FA conveniently ignored.
Finally , right from the top of the FA, unsubstantiated accusations of collusion over the Spain/Portugal bid.
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