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Post by Ned on Nov 12, 2010 20:06:45 GMT 1
A Championship player playing for the English national team? Other countries, like Wales, Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland and Scotland have Championship players in their team all the time. What about England, though? The reason I raise the issue, is because it was announced today that Jay Bothroyd has been called up to the provisional England squad. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/cardiff_city/9184793.stm
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Post by shrewroo on Nov 12, 2010 20:08:41 GMT 1
Afaik he deserves it tbf imo
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Post by constantinople on Nov 12, 2010 20:12:00 GMT 1
I wouldn't have a problem if the player was proven to be good enough - which I don't think Bothroyd is. Look how Dave Nugent turned out.
The comparison to the other home nations is a bit daft though, we should be comparing ourselves to Germany, Spain, Italy, etc and I very much doubt any of those have second tier players in their squads. Despite England being pretty poor recently, we're still rightly considered near-certs to at least qualify for any major tournament, unlike those you've mentioned.
Anyway the whole conversation is a bit pointless cos Bothroyd will get nowhere near the final squad!
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Post by Ned on Nov 12, 2010 20:52:25 GMT 1
I wouldn't have a problem if the player was proven to be good enough - which I don't think Bothroyd is. Look how Dave Nugent turned out. The comparison to the other home nations is a bit daft though, we should be comparing ourselves to Germany, Spain, Italy, etc and I very much doubt any of those have second tier players in their squads. Despite England being pretty poor recently, we're still rightly considered near-certs to at least qualify for any major tournament, unlike those you've mentioned. Anyway the whole conversation is a bit pointless cos Bothroyd will get nowhere near the final squad! I agree that putting Bothroyd in would be a big risk, after Nugent. I also don't think it'd help his career. He'd be bound to join another club (been linked with Liverpool, Birmingham and Fulham) and rot on the bench.
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Post by albionshrew on Nov 12, 2010 21:00:25 GMT 1
How about ONLY Championship players in the team?
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Post by mrbunny on Nov 12, 2010 21:28:59 GMT 1
Wouldn't mind if this was a good player but Bothroyd is crap.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Nov 12, 2010 21:40:29 GMT 1
Those of a certain vintage will remember Steve Bull
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Post by Ned on Nov 12, 2010 21:49:45 GMT 1
Wouldn't mind if this was a good player but Bothroyd is cr@p. Are you for real? Top scorer in the Championship, interest from good Premier League sides, tipped as one of the best players in the Championship.
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Post by champagneprince on Nov 12, 2010 21:51:22 GMT 1
Steve Bull was a 'championship' player I think when he played for England. I think it might have been in the Home Internationals (remember them ?). Probably wrong, but that's what sticks in my brain.
As for the current crop, Scott Loach (Watford) was called up to the squad not long back
Bristol City have Danny Rose who's an England U21, but think he might be a loanee from Spurs ?
Other than that there's not much to go on, all the good ones are in the Prem !
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Nov 12, 2010 23:08:20 GMT 1
Those of a certain vintage will remember Steve Bull Think Steve Bull was playing at League 1 level when he first got called up. LBH, a lot of Premier players arn't really good enough to play for England on this summers performances
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Post by scooter on Nov 13, 2010 10:40:01 GMT 1
steve Bull had just finished a season in Div 3 (League 1), and scored 50 goals - Wolves had won promotion but not yet played in Div 2 (Championship) He scored on his debut at Hampden Park He went to the 1990 world cup as a Championship player
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2010 11:43:21 GMT 1
Would feel a lot happier having Bothroyd (or any English Championship player) in the squad than someone like Arteta, Almunia etc
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Nov 13, 2010 12:34:41 GMT 1
Bothroyd may be in very good form, but in general don't think England should really be selecting players from the Champ. The reason is scotland, wales etc pick from Champ is because they have to, not because they choose to. Don't see top national sides in the world picking players from below top league.
To be honest players like Bothroyd have spurts of good form, wouldn't be too surprised if it didn't last, he's had plenty of chances in the prem and hardly set it alight.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Nov 13, 2010 14:36:35 GMT 1
I wouldn't have a problem if the player was proven to be good enough - which I don't think Bothroyd is. Look how Dave Nugent turned out. The comparison to the other home nations is a bit daft though, we should be comparing ourselves to Germany, Spain, Italy, etc and I very much doubt any of those have second tier players in their squads. Despite England being pretty poor recently, we're still rightly considered near-certs to at least qualify for any major tournament, unlike those you've mentioned. Anyway the whole conversation is a bit pointless cos Bothroyd will get nowhere near the final squad! Think there's a very good chance he might get in the final squad as I'm expecting a flood of withdrawals from the main squad bearing in mind it's a friendly! That said I don't think Kevin Davies or Andy Carroll would withdraw if they're named and they'd be Boothroyd's competition (big target men)
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Post by Ned on Nov 13, 2010 22:33:07 GMT 1
Jay Bothroyd is in the squad. Foster (Birmingham), Hart (Man City), Green (West Ham); Gibbs (Arsenal), Cole (Chelsea), Terry (Chelsea), Jagielka (Everton), Lescott (Man City), Richards (Man City), Ferdinand (Man Utd), Smalling (Man Utd); Walcott (Arsenal), Wilshere (Arsenal), Young (Aston Villa), Gerrard (Liverpool), Barry (Man City), Johnson (Man City), Milner (Man City), Henderson (Sunderland); Agbonlahor (Aston Villa), Bothroyd (Cardiff), Carroll (Newcastle), Crouch (Tottenham). news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9186957.stm
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Post by R6ix on Nov 13, 2010 22:37:33 GMT 1
if we want quality english players then this is the only way to go, cos if u look at the average premier clubs line up then theres not too many local lads involved
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Post by stfcfan87 on Nov 13, 2010 22:39:23 GMT 1
No problem with Boothroyd being in the squad. Not seen a lot of him - besides football league show highlights, but at least he's playing regularly and playing well
What I do have a problem with is Chris Smalling being in the england squad. gotta agree
Has Smalling actually started a premier league game??? How on earth can he get in the england squad??! And how an earth can he be in the England squad over a number of other centre backs that are first team regulars and have been playing well this season and last season on a regular basis?? To name but a few Gary Cahill, Ryan Shawcross, Roger Johnson, Scott Dann - all playing well regularly in the premier league.
But no they've just called up man united's 4th choice (at best) centre back, who has hardly played this season apart from the league cup.
Ridiculous.
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Post by Ned on Nov 13, 2010 23:55:59 GMT 1
What I do have a problem with is Chris Smalling being in the england squad. gotta agree Has Smalling actually started a premier league game??? How on earth can he get in the england squad??! And how an earth can he be in the England squad over a number of other centre backs that are first team regulars and have been playing well this season and last season on a regular basis?? To name but a few Gary Cahill, Ryan Shawcross, Roger Johnson, Scott Dann - all playing well regularly in the premier league. But no they've just called up man united's 4th choice (at best) centre back, who has hardly played this season apart from the league cup. Ridiculous. I agree with you 100%. Cahill, in particular, has been in super form. I'm not a supporter of the English national team, but I think that it's ridiculous having Smalling in.
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Post by shrew4life on Nov 14, 2010 0:10:57 GMT 1
How have Agbonlahor and Boothroyd been called up over Carol for Newcastle?
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Post by Ned on Nov 14, 2010 0:21:51 GMT 1
How have Agbonlahor and Boothroyd been called up over Carol for Newcastle? Do you mean Kevin Davies? Carroll is in the squad
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Post by shrew4life on Nov 14, 2010 1:04:20 GMT 1
Oh r I missed that.
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Post by shrewder on Nov 14, 2010 16:46:26 GMT 1
Do not see what the problem is.
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Post by Ned on Nov 14, 2010 16:49:49 GMT 1
Carlton Cole of West Ham has now been added to the squad, as cover to Carroll and Agbonlahor. I find this strange. Kevin Davies has been in super form for Bolton, helping his team to 5th in the table. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9186957.stm
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Post by onthetrain92 on Nov 14, 2010 17:07:15 GMT 1
Nothing wrong with a player from that league playing for England, i'm sure a certain Steve Bull did also. I'd say the championship league is stronger than most leagues in the world.
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Post by matthewredmile on Nov 14, 2010 22:51:28 GMT 1
Can't believe Smalling's there. The only memory I have of him playing in the Premier League is getting torn apart by Tevez last season. Has he played this season? There are MUCH better options available.
I wouldn't mind Capello continuing to get players from the Championship if needs be, they might show a bit more desire than some of the players that are there at the moment.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Nov 15, 2010 0:04:01 GMT 1
Smalling has played a bit this season. Have to say has been pretty impressive, considering his pretty dreadful end to last season. Apparently he has done well in u21s and both him and Henderson received good reports from Stuart Pearce.
Despite that agree, plenty of centre backs around..Cahill, Shawcross etc
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Post by Shrewd Operator on Nov 15, 2010 0:12:35 GMT 1
If a player is on form then he should be played, thats what has been wrong with England for the last 10 years, players chosen on reputation... for example Hart overlooked for WC and Green makes mistake, that could of been a massive differance maker.
Bothroyd, scoring goals and getting credit for teamwork week in week out.. surely better than having Heskey/Owen etc.
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Post by mrbunny on Nov 15, 2010 1:03:58 GMT 1
Wouldn't mind if this was a good player but Bothroyd is cr@p. Are you for real? Top scorer in the Championship, interest from good Premier League sides, tipped as one of the best players in the Championship. Scoring goals against Sc***horpe and Doncaster is one thing,doing it at the highest level is totally different.Never cut it at previous clubs so why is he so great now?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 15, 2010 10:14:27 GMT 1
Don't mind lads from the 2nd division getting selected at all. Don't mind lads from top flight reserve sides getting selected either. They must have sommat about them, something the manager as seen. Its only a knock about against France, nothing on the game so why not give em a run out and see what come about...
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Nov 15, 2010 11:05:05 GMT 1
Another Cardiff based post hey Ned?
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