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Post by shrewsace on Oct 31, 2010 22:33:11 GMT 1
Pilch, get off the "everyone hates United" complex. Believe it or not when people offer an opinion that isnt in Uniteds favour, then it isnt always because they hate them. Fact is it was a controversial goal that happened to be scored by Man United, its bound to cause debate. I As for the "book rio for doing the same as the spurs players did" comment, I know its said in jest and your right that Rio was doing exactly what the Spurs lot were doing in confronting the linesman/ref. The difference was the Spurs lot were told to go away whereas Rio was allowed to stand there and join in the conversation. Why? But doesn't that always happen ? The ref without fail orders players away on his way to speak to the Lino And then without fail, once he is talking to the Lino players turn up again and are ignored Rio was not part of the conversation at all The officials ignored him You make it sound like the Lino had his other hand around rios back Whereas the spurs players had already been in talks with the Lino Why wasn't Ferdinand waved away a'la the Spurs players? This is a criticism of the ref, not United.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 31, 2010 22:49:55 GMT 1
because the ref was deep in conversation with the linesman they even had arms around each other he waved the spurs players away to allow himself to actually get to the lino do you think he even noticed rio there ? or any notice of him at all ?
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Post by oddblood on Oct 31, 2010 22:50:39 GMT 1
When I first started playing for teams in primary school I was always told one thing by any coach: "play to the whistle". I think the referee made the wrong decision but Gomes just leaving the ball out there was daft. Poor Spurs and their bad luck against the top sides eh?
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Post by Pilch on Oct 31, 2010 22:52:20 GMT 1
maybe a few people have been swayed by the pundits on match of the day an ex spurs player an ex scouser an ex man city player they we so clever they could lip read most of the players some of which had their backs to camera
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Post by shrewsace on Oct 31, 2010 23:05:11 GMT 1
do you think he even noticed rio there ? If he didn't notice a 6'3" centre half shouting at him from a couple of yards away then his suitability for refereeing must be in some doubt.
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Post by keithyshrew25 on Oct 31, 2010 23:22:41 GMT 1
Regardless of anything else, if Gomes had played to the whistle Spurs would only have lost 1-0...
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Post by camdenshrew on Nov 1, 2010 9:37:09 GMT 1
Sorry but if people feel comfortable about the Nani goal then it shows how morally bankrupt football is becoming.
I just get the impression that the big sides are treated differently from most others. We'll never know, but in all honesty does anybody think Clattenburg would have let the goal stand if it was a Spurs playing doing what Nani did?
Just like the previous week with Neville escaping a sending-off at Stoke, there is a growing perception that United get an easier ride than the so-called lesser clubs. Once again, does anybody think Andre Marriner would not have sent off a Stoke defender for doing the same thing as Neville?
I don't think there is an organised conspiracy for one second, but weak referees bottle it because they want to officiate the big games and feel that getting on the wrong side of Ferguson will stop them from being able to do it.
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Post by Amsterdammer on Nov 1, 2010 10:02:33 GMT 1
I just get the impression that the big sides are treated differently from most others. We'll never know, but in all honesty does anybody think Clattenburg would have let the goal stand if it was a Spurs playing doing what Nani did? I don't think there is an organised conspiracy for one second, but weak referees bottle it because they want to officiate the big games and feel that getting on the wrong side of Ferguson will stop them from being able to do it. The question that will always go through a ref's mind is: How much grief will I get if I make a mistake? This explains Webb's non-sending off of De Jong, the Neville incident and the Man United goal on Saturday, as well as many other. It's human nature unfortunately. If there's a big crowd, big game or simply the club gets huge media coverage it always happens and always will. If there are 70,000 baying for a red or a goal and 3,000 calling for the opposite, how many of us could say our decision was based on cold hard facts. The opposite can sometimes happen too. I always remember a ref from the early 90s, Vic Callow, collecting big name 'scalps' like Gascoigne, Adams and Cantona for offenses that happen dozens of times in a game.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 1, 2010 10:46:51 GMT 1
Sorry but if people feel comfortable about the Nani goal then it shows how morally bankrupt football is becoming. I just get the impression that the big sides are treated differently from most others. We'll never know, but in all honesty does anybody think Clattenburg would have let the goal stand if it was a Spurs playing doing what Nani did? Just like the previous week with Neville escaping a sending-off at Stoke, there is a growing perception that United get an easier ride than the so-called lesser clubs. Once again, does anybody think Andre Marriner would not have sent off a Stoke defender for doing the same thing as Neville? I don't think there is an organised conspiracy for one second, but weak referees bottle it because they want to officiate the big games and feel that getting on the wrong side of Ferguson will stop them from being able to do it. shhh don't mention the penalty but I do agree about the big sides getting the decisions spurs are only in the big 4 and not yet the big 3
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Post by siabod on Nov 1, 2010 10:50:38 GMT 1
maybe a few people have been swayed by the pundits on match of the day an ex spurs player an ex scouser an ex man city player they we so clever they could lip read most of the players some of which had their backs to camera The actual commentary team were a bit suspect as well, the commentator always shows his dislike of Man U, both he and Waddle were suggesting a penalty for the tackle on Nani and we were being shown a replay of that tackle when suddenly we saw the ball being put in the net. Replays showed the full happening by which time both of them were questioning the refs part in the event. Waddle claimed the ref had his back to play and obviously could not have seen what happened, further replays showed this not to be true, the ref was facing the play but from a distance away where he had taken up his position expecting a clearance from Gomez. Could the linesman's flag have been a late reaction to the foul on Nani and why the goal was allowed ? Suspect we will never know. I seem to remember a similar incident by (I think) a Notts Forest player some years ago where he came from behind the keeper and headed the ball out of his hands and put the ball in the net, that goal was also allowed. Guess in cases like this if the goal is against you it's cheating, if it's for you it's quick thinking.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 1, 2010 11:04:06 GMT 1
Thats a fair comment saibod
Had the officials seen either a foul on nani or a handball they would have indicated so at the time Had the officials been in favor of man u they would have given a damn penalty in the first place
2 wrongs sometimes make a right even if they are clueless to what went on ad if they are giving the right decision Why have officials behind the goal at some games and not others
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Post by Fingers on Nov 1, 2010 12:01:03 GMT 1
I dont think the ref could have seen the handball from his position, the lino did see it and it was clear he told the spurs players it was handball.
Poor communication but alas no whistle.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 1, 2010 12:06:34 GMT 1
I don't think the Lino did see the handball No way could he have ignored it or not told the ref
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 1, 2010 12:10:12 GMT 1
Fair play to you Pilch, you do make me chuckle...
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Post by Pilch on Nov 1, 2010 12:18:42 GMT 1
I bet Not as much as this thread has made me laugh
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Post by ratcliffesghost on Nov 1, 2010 12:32:29 GMT 1
What would Rob Lewis have done
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Post by Amsterdammer on Nov 1, 2010 12:47:04 GMT 1
I don't think the Lino did see the handball No way could he have ignored it or not told the ref MOTD was pretty helpful as they seemed to know the conversation between ref and linesman (obviously not full proof). The linesman raised his flag and said 'it was handball' (presumably thinking the ref must have missed it). The ref said 'I know I played advantage'. You also see Clattenburg's annoyance at Gomes after the goal was scored. Gomes is the biggest plank to come out of this. Hold onto the ball next time, then your team is in control. Simple. Clattenburg could have resolved it by blowing up once the flag was raised though and problem avoided. The Man City-Forest incident - The keeper held it out in one hand and Gary Crosby headed it from his hand and then put it in the net. Similarity with this one is only that the keeper thought the ball was not 'in play' but the sriker thought otherwise and the ref backed him.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 1, 2010 12:47:20 GMT 1
He wouldn't have even seen nani ;-)
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Nov 1, 2010 12:56:39 GMT 1
The ref didn't blow for a foul so the only person to blame in Gomes.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 1, 2010 13:22:15 GMT 1
I don't think the Lino did see the handball No way could he have ignored it or not told the ref MOTD was pretty helpful as they seemed to know the conversation between ref and linesman (obviously not full proof). The linesman raised his flag and said 'it was handball' (presumably thinking the ref must have missed it). The ref said 'I know I played advantage'. You also see Clattenburg's annoyance at Gomes after the goal was scored. Gomes is the biggest plank to come out of this. Hold onto the ball next time, then your team is in control. Simple. Clattenburg could have resolved it by blowing up once the flag was raised though and problem avoided. The Man City-Forest incident - The keeper held it out in one hand and Gary Crosby headed it from his hand and then put it in the net. Similarity with this one is only that the keeper thought the ball was not 'in play' but the sriker thought otherwise and the ref backed him. match of the day made up what they wanted to hear
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Nov 1, 2010 19:40:01 GMT 1
Anyone with two brain cells can formulate their own opinions, I always switch off or change channel when the punditry is on, be it "The two Alans" Hansen and Shearer (or even Lawrenson or Dixon on MOTD) or Andy Gray and his cronies on Sky.
They don't give anything other than popular opinion and over-used cliches. Before losing the will to listen to them, I don't recall them ever saying anything slightly insightful that your average man in the pub didn't already know
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Post by eclipsechaser on Nov 2, 2010 18:22:44 GMT 1
so here is the moral if you like united it should have been a penalty, the ref missed the handball, the keeper tried to gain a false advantage and the ball was in play, rio did no different than the spurs players if you hate united book nani for falling over send him off for handling get the ball out of the net and give spurs a free kick book nani a 3rd time for kicking it into the net book rio for doing the same as the spurs players did book nani again for celebrating send fergie to the stand burn down old trafford Thats the best idea you have ever had ! I'll get the petrol and you bring the matches !
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Post by Pilch on Nov 2, 2010 20:17:09 GMT 1
I thought you'd like it lol
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