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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 13, 2007 10:07:08 GMT 1
I don't think the commercial reasons mean much for a fan of a League Two club.
Start playing championship football and then it does matter.
Are we going backward, standing still, or preparing for a future which is different and better than what we have now?
I am all for anything that helps us move forward.
They were standing on Pride Hill flogging fake merchandise before Chelsea game / Everton game / Play Off Final. That won't get any better.
Then the basic question is - do you like the badge? Some do, some don't. I can't see what an alternative is. We can't have a design competition because you'd have to run the hundreds on entries through all the relevant searches to make it viable. That costs a lots of money, takes a lot of time, and there isn't much you can do with the loggerheads.
Does anyone really have an attachment to a Leopard over a lion based on the loggerhead? Why was a loggerhead named a loggerhead? Wasn't it just originally a Lion but you can't use lions on a crest?
Maybe it isn't a Lion, it is a mythical creature known as a loggerhead, because no-one really knows what a loggerhead looks like.
Our mascot is a Lion. Kids buy lots of merchandise. I can see the logic.
Why didn't we boycott Lenny when we realised he wasn't a Leopard? Why did the club shop sell out of those "Mini Lennies" they were selling for a while?
Or maybe Lenny is really a loggerhead, it is just that no-one knows what they looked like.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 13, 2007 10:09:38 GMT 1
And for S&R - yes, I would quite happily only contact the football club on a premium rate phone number if we were 9th in the Premiership.
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Post by LufbraSalop on Apr 13, 2007 10:27:31 GMT 1
I am 100% aware of the need for registration of the club crest. I was very impressed with what seemed to be a detailed reply to initial concerns on this board by SW, less so when it was the stuff for Shrewsweb cut and pasted the day before it was going out anyway. I am concerned about the total "head in the sand" approach to the questions raised and what seems to be an approach of "ignore it and they will give up in the end". Why am I concerned? It gives an impression that in the future this will be the same approach that is taken when any other awkward situation may arise. That would not be helpful in terms of building good relationships between club and supporters who have a lot to offer each other in the move forward to a new era of football at STFC. What is the problem with saying "we were or weren't aware of that"? The fact that supporters e-mails have long been ignored, on may issues, has hinted at this in the past. However, having received one e-mail in the past (at a second request on a serious issue), it's probably best that they don't send out too many given the quality of it's construction and use of the English language. Clear routes of communication have for a long time been a bone of contention at Reading. You'll be having to use a premium phone line next to communicate with the club if you follow the RFC route....... Perhaps the club aren’t responding because even if they did it would make no difference. All they would say is that the decision has been made, it may bear some resemblance to the clipart lion but we now own the copyright, any image they would have used would have come in for some criticism. Now how exactly would that make people feel better?! It would just exasperate them more! The club are not going to change their position on this, and for some people anything less than that won’t make them happy, so what the point in responding and letting it turn into a tit for tat argument with supporters.
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Post by Shrews and Royals on Apr 13, 2007 11:29:05 GMT 1
And for S&R - yes, I would quite happily only contact the football club on a premium rate phone number if we were 9th in the Premiership. Gets annoying when you are trying to find out where your tickets are for a game the next day, and despite waiting 50 mins on the phone you still don't get to the front of the queue and have to hang up as you need to get back to work. 30 minute plus calls are the norm on our line, my record queue position is 54 - but glad to see you won't mind
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 13, 2007 11:41:45 GMT 1
Not if it's a ticket for United in the league, no.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2007 12:39:51 GMT 1
And for S&R - yes, I would quite happily only contact the football club on a premium rate phone number if we were 9th in the Premiership. Really?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2007 12:44:15 GMT 1
I'm totally fine with the commercial arguement. Ian/Ade - I think you're looking too narrow as it being solely about merchandise. It's also about bigger partnership deals with companies such as A-Line etc.
What I do think is a shame is the fact it's a clip-art badge makes us look bad (my missus wet herself laughing when I showed her) and also the fact that the majority of people don't like the badge - I for one think it gets worse with each view.
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Post by burtonshrew on Apr 13, 2007 13:00:04 GMT 1
I have to say, it's doing the opposite of growing on me. Liked it when I first saw it (Millwall initial thought aside), now after all the clip art and how easy it's been to edit it into silly stuff I'm not as sure as I was.
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Post by nicko on Apr 13, 2007 13:01:53 GMT 1
A couple of followers of other teams have asked me what the lion represents, "I'm not sure" I answer.
This is a logo/badge that supporters will carry around the world with them on shirts, T-shirts, polo shirts etc, etc. It's something that needs to be right and I feel unique.
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Post by scooter on Apr 13, 2007 13:06:30 GMT 1
And for S&R - yes, I would quite happily only contact the football club on a premium rate phone number if we were 9th in the Premiership. Gets annoying when you are trying to find out where your tickets are for a game the next day, and despite waiting 50 mins on the phone you still don't get to the front of the queue and have to hang up as you need to get back to work. 30 minute plus calls are the norm on our line, my record queue position is 54 - but glad to see you won't mind Try Saynoto0870.com and then ring on the normal phone line
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2007 13:12:55 GMT 1
I'm totally fine with the commercial arguement. Ian/Ade - I think you're looking too narrow as it being solely about merchandise. It's also about bigger partnership deals with companies such as A-Line etc. The biggest partnership of all could be if Town find a sponsor for the ground. Such a deal could be worth millions.
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Post by ShrewsSalopian on Apr 13, 2007 13:13:19 GMT 1
I'm totally fine with the commercial arguement. Ian/Ade - I think you're looking too narrow as it being solely about merchandise. It's also about bigger partnership deals with companies such as A-Line etc. What I do think is a shame is the fact it's a clip-art badge makes us look bad (my missus wet herself laughing when I showed her) and also the fact that the majority of people don't like the badge - I for one think it gets worse with each view. my missus would probably wet herself if i told her your missus wet herself over a football badge....
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Post by Shrews and Royals on Apr 13, 2007 13:15:20 GMT 1
Gets annoying when you are trying to find out where your tickets are for a game the next day, and despite waiting 50 mins on the phone you still don't get to the front of the queue and have to hang up as you need to get back to work. 30 minute plus calls are the norm on our line, my record queue position is 54 - but glad to see you won't mind Try Saynoto0870.com and then ring on the normal phone line They won't put you through. The tickets are premium or nothing.
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Post by Salop_Ian on Apr 13, 2007 13:23:12 GMT 1
I'm totally fine with the commercial arguement. Ian/Ade - I think you're looking too narrow as it being solely about merchandise. It's also about bigger partnership deals with companies such as A-Line etc. What I do think is a shame is the fact it's a clip-art badge makes us look bad (my missus wet herself laughing when I showed her) and also the fact that the majority of people don't like the badge - I for one think it gets worse with each view. I totally agree. The issues regarding (1) whether the club should have a copyright protected badge and (2) whether you like the new badge, are completely separate. I also agree that the rip-off unofficial merchandise argument is a bit of a blind alley. In the main club supporters will want to support their club when buying merchandise and will buy official gear knowing that their money will go to the club. (Unless they don’t think the gear is value for money quality wise – or dare one say they – don’t like or identify with the badge.) If we get to the play-off final there will again be opportunist sellers on pride hill selling unofficial blue and amber scarves, flags and t-shirts, probably with a picture of the new Wembley on them. Trade marking a badge doesn’t stop people from producing football merchandise – only from using the badge. It also doesn’t stop the causal fan from buying them. I suspect that the importance of trade marking the badge is probably more to do with corporate sponsors paying for the right to use the logo on their company literature, rather than stopping people from making unofficial t-shirts with the club badge on.
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Post by Shrews and Royals on Apr 13, 2007 13:38:05 GMT 1
I suspect that the importance of trade marking the badge is probably more to do with corporate sponsors paying for the right to use the logo on their company literature, rather than stopping people from making unofficial t-shirts with the club badge on. It is both to be honest. At the lower division levels the association of sponsors with formal trademarks will be important, as it is at Premiership level. The big manufacturers are especially concerned, and it gets very complicated at the highest level tieing in shirt manufacturers with general merchandise available that is and isn't their stock. Having been in such meetings copyright issues are discussed. I don't think it is a smoke screen - it's planning for the future and is right on most fronts - just different ones will come to the fore with regard to importance as STFC hopefully progresses upwards again. We never saw fake merchandise at Reading until the last couple of years! It's interesting to see how things develop "on the otherside" of such a change. There's a few on here that know this has been one of my particular "itches" for a long while.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2007 14:25:13 GMT 1
I'm totally fine with the commercial arguement. Ian/Ade - I think you're looking too narrow as it being solely about merchandise. It's also about bigger partnership deals with companies such as A-Line etc. What I do think is a shame is the fact it's a clip-art badge makes us look bad (my missus wet herself laughing when I showed her) and also the fact that the majority of people don't like the badge - I for one think it gets worse with each view. my missus would probably wet herself if i told her your missus wet herself over a football badge.... Perhaps we should both go to a support group for people with partners who wet themselves too frequently?
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Post by North london screamer on Apr 13, 2007 17:16:18 GMT 1
I will follow STFC thick & thin but i will never buy anything from them sporting that piece of rubbish! Ireally hope that i'm not the only one, the only way to make them see sense over the issue is to leave them up to their necks in un-sold tat! At least in that way they may well get the message, the arrogant b**ls**t peddled by them in last weeks program gives off the impression that they really do think supporters are gullable & thick! As i see by this thread most of you clearly are not!
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Post by scooter on Apr 13, 2007 17:22:36 GMT 1
Try Saynoto0870.com and then ring on the normal phone line They won't put you through. The tickets are premium or nothing. It worked at Wycombe - obviously a more advanced phone system at Reading
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2007 18:24:40 GMT 1
I will follow STFC thick & thin but i will never buy anything from them sporting that piece of rubbish! Ireally hope that i'm not the only one, the only way to make them see sense over the issue is to leave them up to their necks in un-sold tat! At least in that way they may well get the message, the arrogant b**ls**t peddled by them in last weeks program gives off the impression that they really do think supporters are gullable & thick! As i see by this thread most of you clearly are not! How much merchandise do you buy at the moment from the club shop? I personally don't think you'd be able to quantify the impact on merchandise sales the new badge will have with current supporters as it will be shadowed by the following: - Town having a new kit supplier with better quality than MG Sportswear - Town attracting many new fans due to the new ground, especially families, who will not be as affected by the badge change. I'm not saying your point of view is incorrect, but I nevertheless expect to see a rise in merchandise sales next season.
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Post by handsoffmeadowenjoyment on Apr 13, 2007 21:01:25 GMT 1
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Post by handsoffmeadowenjoyment on Apr 13, 2007 21:03:13 GMT 1
oops a duff link but go to the on-line club shop.
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Post by North london screamer on Apr 14, 2007 12:08:44 GMT 1
I will follow STFC thick & thin but i will never buy anything from them sporting that piece of rubbish! Ireally hope that i'm not the only one, the only way to make them see sense over the issue is to leave them up to their necks in un-sold tat! At least in that way they may well get the message, the arrogant b**ls**t peddled by them in last weeks program gives off the impression that they really do think supporters are gullable & thick! As i see by this thread most of you clearly are not! How much merchandise do you buy at the moment from the club shop? I personally don't think you'd be able to quantify the impact on merchandise sales the new badge will have with current supporters as it will be shadowed by the following: - Town having a new kit supplier with better quality than MG Sportswear - Town attracting many new fans due to the new ground, especially families, who will not be as affected by the badge change. I'm not saying your point of view is incorrect, but I nevertheless expect to see a rise in merchandise sales next season. Fair point, as it stands i don't buy vast amouts of stuff, clearly not enough to make any sort of impact on sales figures, but what i do buy i.e. tee shirts, woolie hats, caps, i think are tasteful & smart with the current town coat of arms. This new "logo" has nothing, it represents nothing, abiet ugly too! that alone i hope will put enough people off.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 14, 2007 12:29:38 GMT 1
Something a little less unoriginal would have been better. But it's a done deal.
I've got no more roomfor any more shirts - unless I start storing everything in Tony Lormer's old away top. But where would I park the car?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 14, 2007 12:41:44 GMT 1
I will follow STFC thick & thin but i will never buy anything from them sporting that piece of rubbish! Ireally hope that i'm not the only one, the only way to make them see sense over the issue is to leave them up to their necks in un-sold tat! At least in that way they may well get the message, the arrogant b**ls**t peddled by them in last weeks program gives off the impression that they really do think supporters are gullable & thick! As i see by this thread most of you clearly are not! How much merchandise do you buy at the moment from the club shop? I personally don't think you'd be able to quantify the impact on merchandise sales the new badge will have with current supporters as it will be shadowed by the following: - Town having a new kit supplier with better quality than MG Sportswear - Town attracting many new fans due to the new ground, especially families, who will not be as affected by the badge change. I'm not saying your point of view is incorrect, but I nevertheless expect to see a rise in merchandise sales next season. thats a good point and maybe we have changed this badge 2 or 3 years too early we could have waited until the novelty of the new meadow has worn off and then cashed in on the new badge
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Apr 14, 2007 22:24:27 GMT 1
All the issues of brand and income generation are totally welcome.
I am afraid, summing up that since we have no response from the club about the objections raised about the badge it is a done deal.
Am totally mystified about exactly what those who approved the branding thought that STFC had to do with ‘clip art lions’.
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 14, 2007 23:02:00 GMT 1
are we having a new badge?
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Apr 14, 2007 23:04:54 GMT 1
Ian - lol - we all guess not!!
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Post by sgd on Nov 5, 2009 0:48:58 GMT 1
Pilch - they might want this one.
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