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Oct 22, 2010 13:11:56 GMT 1
Post by indianwells on Oct 22, 2010 13:11:56 GMT 1
Who $ay$ Th€r€ I$ No Loyalty In £ootball ?
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Oct 22, 2010 13:22:17 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2010 13:22:17 GMT 1
Who $ay$ Th€r€ I$ No Loyalty In £ootball ? The £££££££ is also about Man Utd keeping their investment as well, lets not be mislead that its a one way deal - Man Utd stood to lose a lot of money had Rooney not signed. Sometimes it takes confrontation to provide a resoloution
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Rooney
Oct 22, 2010 13:28:18 GMT 1
Post by venceremos on Oct 22, 2010 13:28:18 GMT 1
No, i think he will stay in the area, and who has acquired a new Chairman with a bit of spare cash? Rooney will wear the red again, oh yes. Can you guess who it will be yet. Genius. I'm luvvin every moment of this sorry saga. Nearly right there baystonblue - he will stay in the area and wear the red again. Still luvvin every moment?
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Oct 22, 2010 13:29:00 GMT 1
Post by ratcliffesghost on Oct 22, 2010 13:29:00 GMT 1
ROONEY 1 FERGUSSON 0 I suppose the "if your not going to sign I'll keep pretending your injured until you come to your senses" antics will end now I'm sure Rooney could have made a lot more money for taking a restraint of trade court case out against fergie for that - almost a Bosman2 Case. Was that what the legal suits were sorting out overnight
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Oct 22, 2010 13:29:39 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 22, 2010 13:29:39 GMT 1
Who $ay$ Th€r€ I$ No Loyalty In £ootball ? Very good... Was reading the papers last night online and there were loads of Manchester fans saying they wouldn't want him back etc. etc. etc. Should be interesting reading again today...will all be forgiven?
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Oct 22, 2010 13:40:22 GMT 1
Post by venceremos on Oct 22, 2010 13:40:22 GMT 1
Football's fickle and supporters more so than anyone. Rooney will get a hero's welcome now and Ferguson's position is as strong as ever - he didn't try to hide that Rooney wanted away or that the door was still open and Old Trafford was behind him on Wednesday night.
No point questioning the logic of any of this. It all comes down to business and negotiating positions and we're never going to be fully in the loop on that.
As has been the case for the past 20 years, reports of United's decline (did someone on here really mention relegation?!) are premature. Nor is it anything new for United to build a team based on young players. Even when they haven't used homegrown talent, they've usually bought in younger players still short of their peak (Ronaldo, Keane, Schmeichel, Ince, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Rooney, Cantona etc etc) rather than the already mature players that some other clubs have built their teams around. Criticism of United for not being in the market for the biggest names demonstrates an ignorance of the club's usual transfer policy.
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Oct 22, 2010 13:44:03 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2010 13:44:03 GMT 1
Wouldnt be surprised if this is just a stop-gap measure, a bit like Ronaldo staying a bit longer.
In other words, he agrees to sign a 5 year contract but Utd say he can leave in a years time. Utd obviously can then demand a hell of a lot more cash
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Oct 22, 2010 13:48:35 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2010 13:48:35 GMT 1
Its a win win for all concerned which is what succesful negotiation is all about.
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Oct 22, 2010 13:49:21 GMT 1
Post by shrewsace on Oct 22, 2010 13:49:21 GMT 1
Even when they haven't used homegrown talent, they've usually bought in younger players still short of their peak (Ronaldo, Keane, Schmeichel, Ince, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Rooney, Cantona etc etc) rather than the already mature players that some other clubs have built their teams around. Criticism of United for not being in the market for the biggest names demonstrates an ignorance of the club's usual transfer policy. There's a few British transfer records in that list and most of the others were signed for the sort of fees most other Premier League clubs couldn't compete with. The only exception is probably Cantona who they got courtesy of Howard Wilkinson's idiocy. If a player's good enough to command record transfer fees I don't think they can be classed as great spots. It's merely buying the best players because you have the financial clout to! As for Rooney, even if he scored a hat trick for England in the World Cup final I think I'd find the sight of his gurning, neanderthal face too much to stomach.
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Oct 22, 2010 13:53:29 GMT 1
Post by ratcliffesghost on Oct 22, 2010 13:53:29 GMT 1
Its a win win for all concerned which is what succesful negotiation is all about. Have to disagree - Rooney won, and Utd have had to make a few concessions ...........I hope the circus runs and runs.........the Rapper at centre half is next up for contract talks isnt he
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Oct 22, 2010 14:01:13 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2010 14:01:13 GMT 1
Its a win win for all concerned which is what succesful negotiation is all about. Have to disagree - Rooney won, and Utd have had to make a few concessions ...........I hope the circus runs and runs.........the Rapper at centre half is next up for contract talks isnt he United wanted Rooney to stay but he said he wanted to leave meaning Utd would have to sell him and at a slightly reduced rate. Rooney has now signed a contract for another 5 years. Who knows what was said/agreed behind closed doors but United have certainly got what they wanted, ie a world class player who if still wants to leave, can be sold at full market value
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Oct 22, 2010 14:17:06 GMT 1
Post by venceremos on Oct 22, 2010 14:17:06 GMT 1
Even when they haven't used homegrown talent, they've usually bought in younger players still short of their peak (Ronaldo, Keane, Schmeichel, Ince, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Rooney, Cantona etc etc) rather than the already mature players that some other clubs have built their teams around. Criticism of United for not being in the market for the biggest names demonstrates an ignorance of the club's usual transfer policy. There's a few British transfer records in that list and most of the others were signed for the sort of fees most other Premier League clubs couldn't compete with. The only exception is probably Cantona who they got courtesy of Howard Wilkinson's idiocy. If a player's good enough to command record transfer fees I don't think they can be classed as great spots. It's merely buying the best players because you have the financial clout to! As for Rooney, even if he scored a hat trick for England in the World Cup final I think I'd find the sight of his gurning, neanderthal face too much to stomach. Five of that list (which was just off the top of my head) were signed for fees that were, for a club of United's size, modest at the time. But anyway it's nonsense to suggest that a player can't be a great spot when the fee is high. Does every big money transfer lead to success? Does every player signed for a lot of money integrate into his new team? Does every such player become a better player? No to all three. But in those cases I listed, the answer's yes to all three. Sure United have failed in the transfer market sometimes, as all clubs do. The fact remains they've rarely bought at the top of the market and, in recent years (pre-Glazer) very rarely indeed. It makes no sense to say they're not competing with City in the transfer market - it's unlikely they'd want to.
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Oct 22, 2010 14:19:30 GMT 1
Post by northwestman on Oct 22, 2010 14:19:30 GMT 1
I agree with others here.
Rooney will still go in a year or so..but clearly the purchasing club will now have to pay far more to buy out his contract.
Doesn't solve his form problem though..his body language seems to have said since August that he doesn't want to stay at Man Utd. And what he's said about Utd. remains said.
I hope someone finds the owner of that banner that said "Colleen has forgiven you, we never shall" and asks him where he stands now! Probably he'll make the biggest turnaround since Ronaldo got Rooney sent off in the 2006 World Cup and was vilified at the time by Utd. supporters. Attitudes soon changed once he started scoring goals for them!
Cynical manipulation on both sides. Incidentally..look up the c.v of Rooney's agent appropriately named Stretford..it doesn't make good reading.
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Oct 22, 2010 14:29:50 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 22, 2010 14:29:50 GMT 1
It makes no sense to say they're not competing with City in the transfer market - it's unlikely they'd want to?!?!
Errrrm?! Pretty sure I read somewhere yesterday that Manchester United were trying to get a 'big' signing in during the summer but failed to do so because the player said he didn't want to play in England. That player is supposed to have been David Silva. I think that were in the Guardian newspaper...I may have that wrong but I pretty much think thats what I read.
And when it comes to reports of United's decline, they are way off. But the difference now is that more clubs are now able to compete financially with them. First it was only Chelsea and it was then Manchester United and Chelsea that won the title. Now Manchester City are going to play a big part. And with the Arse seemingly in a better position then anyone they are really going to come strong in the coming years. Manchester United can no longer buy the league by outspending everyone else, others now have the clout to compete. Whether you can define that as a decline I doubt...but they ain't going to be winning as much as they did thats for sure...
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Oct 22, 2010 14:42:13 GMT 1
Post by Amsterdammer on Oct 22, 2010 14:42:13 GMT 1
Oh dear
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Oct 22, 2010 14:59:47 GMT 1
Post by northwestman on Oct 22, 2010 14:59:47 GMT 1
Ronaldo signed a new 5 year contract extension with Man. Utd. in April 2007. He was sold to Real Madrid in July 2009 for £80 million.
Man. Utd. have serious form on this one. We'll now get a slow drip of information orchestrated by his agent that poor Wayne still isn't happy..and a year or two on he'll be gone. In the meantime it's an exercise in pure cynicism by both parties with the United supporters taken as the fools.
Even 5 year contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on.
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Oct 22, 2010 15:04:19 GMT 1
Post by northwestman on Oct 22, 2010 15:04:19 GMT 1
The 3 o'clock news has revealed that Rooney has now apologised to his teammates for his remarks.
So that's alright then!
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Oct 22, 2010 15:28:54 GMT 1
Post by penza on Oct 22, 2010 15:28:54 GMT 1
I really believe that this has nothing to do with Rooney Vs Club or Rooney Vs Fergie to get what he wants.. I think its more like Rooney & Fergie Vs Glazers!
IMO that is what this whole thing has been about. Ferguson has been getting frustrated about not being able to bring in high quality players in the last 3 years and he has used Rooney to make a point to the owners that they need to start investing in the playing staff or they wont be able to continue being succesful.
Rooney has come out and said he wants reasurences,or he is going to leave the club. Yet two days later he signs a fiver year deal! Doesnt seem genuine!
United, Fergie and Rooney all together are the winners in all of this and the glazers are going to have to dig deep and start spending some money. I dont think he ever really wanted to leave and if he did, it want for money.. It was because he wants to be playing in a succesful team in the prime years of his career.
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Oct 22, 2010 15:58:50 GMT 1
Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Oct 22, 2010 15:58:50 GMT 1
You're assuming that the Glazers give a toss. Look at the interest they pay on their loans, what they pay to themselves as 'consultants' and what they are losing in the US.
United is their piggy bank.
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Oct 22, 2010 16:08:39 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Oct 22, 2010 16:08:39 GMT 1
i sense there are a few people on B&A today with lumps in thier throats and egg on their faces ;-)
they went before the b of the bang ;-)
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Oct 22, 2010 16:33:17 GMT 1
Post by Fingers on Oct 22, 2010 16:33:17 GMT 1
How do you feel regarding Rooney signing?
From a Salop perspective if that had been Ainsworth I dont know if i'd be happy seeing him pull on the shirt again.
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Oct 22, 2010 16:41:34 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2010 16:41:34 GMT 1
i sense there are a few people on B&A today with lumps in thier throats and egg on their faces ;-) they went before the b of the bang ;-) Ive said that United will be happy that he has signed a new contract and clearly they are not going to be in the decline that some people on here have suggested But lets not forget that their star player has come out and questioned the ambition of the club and the strength of the squad so clearly things arent quite rosey at the club.
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Oct 22, 2010 16:47:40 GMT 1
Post by poirot on Oct 22, 2010 16:47:40 GMT 1
How do you feel regarding Rooney signing? From a Salop perspective if that had been Ainsworth I dont know if i'd be happy seeing him pull on the shirt again. Then I suppose you're furious every time you see Stevie |G in the Red of Liverpool. Far bigger U turn a few years back and then only because some Gangstrs threatend him and his familly. What goes around comes around, Fingers old mate.
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Oct 22, 2010 17:02:32 GMT 1
Post by jamo on Oct 22, 2010 17:02:32 GMT 1
Fools
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Oct 22, 2010 17:05:02 GMT 1
Post by shrewswolf on Oct 22, 2010 17:05:02 GMT 1
It's a contract extension only delaying the inevitable - he'll still leave. Rooney probably got a bit of a wage rise as he wanted, which will keep him happy until United receive an offer to good to refuse - business they will have generated by getting rooney signed on for more years. Either that or its all one big PR stunt, and a good one at that!
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Oct 22, 2010 17:12:10 GMT 1
Post by ambergambler on Oct 22, 2010 17:12:10 GMT 1
Is it just me or is rooney playing like a tw@t any way massive gamble playing and paying the pikey spud. Ruined the World Cup and shows no respect for club and country.Agree what Hollaway said in his rant.With Fergies track record im suprised he wants him still.Ask your self this if Giggs, Scholes ,Neville etc were not so near to hanging up their boots would spudie even have got a look in.They are on the Wane alrighty!
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Oct 22, 2010 17:15:36 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Oct 22, 2010 17:15:36 GMT 1
How do you feel regarding Rooney signing? From a Salop perspective if that had been Ainsworth I dont know if i'd be happy seeing him pull on the shirt again. its not shrewsbury, its united its not ainsworth its rooney i support shrewsbury i just prefer man u to any other prem side (some more than others) what goes on off the field at man u doesnt bother me in the slightest it doesnt really bother me what goes on on the pitch that much to be honest i enjoy the stress rooney has put on man u haters and i enjoy winding them up too i fully expect he'll be off at the end of the season anyway he'll probably get 10% of the transfer fee too at a guess now tell me that if ainsworth suddenly becomes the new messiah at town his agent wont suddenly be pestering for a new club or a new contract rooney is not much different to the majority of players its the agents that are greedy and cause all the trouble its in their best interest for their player to move and get a cut of course if i was rooneys agent and real madrid spoke to me suggesting i'd get millions if i could pursuede him to leave i'd pursuade him to leave if i was ainsworths agent and thought i'd get £1K out of him going then sorry i'd take the money and try and get him to sign everyone has a price
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Oct 22, 2010 17:17:01 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 22, 2010 17:17:01 GMT 1
Oh dear Oh dear? Whoever knocked that up on photoshop has done a pretty decent job of it...
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Oct 22, 2010 17:54:52 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Oct 22, 2010 17:54:52 GMT 1
probably took all of 10 secs to pop the magic wand on the shirt and then alter the saturation
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Oct 22, 2010 18:13:26 GMT 1
Post by venceremos on Oct 22, 2010 18:13:26 GMT 1
It makes no sense to say they're not competing with City in the transfer market - it's unlikely they'd want to?!?! Errrrm?! Pretty sure I read somewhere yesterday that Manchester United were trying to get a 'big' signing in during the summer but failed to do so because the player said he didn't want to play in England. That player is supposed to have been David Silva. I think that were in the Guardian newspaper...I may have that wrong but I pretty much think thats what I read. And when it comes to reports of United's decline, they are way off. But the difference now is that more clubs are now able to compete financially with them. First it was only Chelsea and it was then Manchester United and Chelsea that won the title. Now Manchester City are going to play a big part. And with the Arse seemingly in a better position then anyone they are really going to come strong in the coming years. Manchester United can no longer buy the league by outspending everyone else, others now have the clout to compete. Whether you can define that as a decline I doubt...but they ain't going to be winning as much as they did thats for sure... I wouldn't accept that United bought the league. Plenty of other clubs spent heavily and most didn't win. Money is a requirement for success at that level but doesn't guarantee it - it takes much more to build a successful team. Otherwise Real Madrid's galacticos would have swept the board when, in reality, they weren't even the most successful team in Spain. City are linked with anyone and everyone at the moment. Do you believe United are trying to compete with that? There might have been some interest in Silva but they were looking at others at the same time. Thet weren't competing for Balotelli, Boateng, Milner .... United might change tack and try to buy at the top of the market, if they can. But it's not been their usual policy.
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