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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 18:35:08 GMT 1
Post by El Huracán!!!! on Nov 3, 2010 18:35:08 GMT 1
To be fair not everyone is praising him saying its ok ...
However before the rant im about to have, I will say fair play to him for coming on and giving his side of it, and saying sorry... that takes something!
I agree with the people who are calling him a fool for doing it however... It would appear the guy cant control himself at a fair few games over the years and this has been coming for a while. I have been a regualr home and away for a long while now, and everyone knows who he is because of his behavior at the match, The scarf throwing, the rants at players and managers of both sides, the running up and down the sidelines, its not all jovial, I have seen him really angry at times too.. most of the time, to be fair its funny but in a really cringeworthy way (might just be me)
I dont know the ins and the outs of it, and its not my place to say why, but its been suggested on this thread for the reasons for this behaviour.
To the people who say its passion never mind, were EQUALLY as passionate about STFC as Bizzy, I dont know why he's out in some super league of fandom where anything he does is acceptable with some people... There are 100s other fans I could name who are 100% blue and amber and supprot the club through thick and thin as much as they can... and they can do it in a passionate way, without some of the histrionics you seen from the man in question.
All in all we have a fan who has made a mistake for which he may pay a very big price, or may face no punishment at all...we dont know at this stage..... however if it was me I would take this as a massive wake up call as to my actions on a match day, and it appears from his post that he may do.
One thing I know is he will be looked at and his actions judged this season more than they ever had by people on B and A now.
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 18:36:48 GMT 1
Post by Myddleshrew on Nov 3, 2010 18:36:48 GMT 1
I wonder if Timmy Mallet did what Bizzy did would he have backing off B&A major playerrs I wonder if it was one of your mates who had run on the pitch, would your view still hold? Yes shouldnt do it, its against the law
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 18:38:53 GMT 1
Post by venceremos on Nov 3, 2010 18:38:53 GMT 1
Blimey - nearly as many posts on this "Bizzy" thread as on "Just back" and Crewe match threads combined!
Has our world gone mad?
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Post by mattmw on Nov 3, 2010 18:40:49 GMT 1
What we do all need to remember is that every ground now has strict rules in place where by going on the pitch is an offence and can under the letter of the law lead to being thrown out of the ground, arrested and charged. Same goes for standing up at games, and being drunk at games
We can with some justification say such rules are over the top and ruin the atmosphere at games, but you just need an over zealous steward, policeman or knuckle dragging opposition fans to get involved and you can easily end up getting charged and banned from football with a conviction against your name.
So if you do get worked up at games make sure you get some mates around you to stop you doing anything daft, and maybe have one less pint before going to the ground - otherwise you might not be seeing any footy for a while.
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 18:41:10 GMT 1
Post by Myddleshrew on Nov 3, 2010 18:41:10 GMT 1
To be fair not everyone is praising him saying its ok ... However before the rant im about to have, I will say fair play to him for coming on and giving his side of it, and saying sorry... that takes something! I agree with the people who are calling him a fool for doing it however... It would appear the guy cant control himself at a fair few games over the years and this has been coming for a while. I have been a regualr home and away for a long while now, and everyone knows who he is because of his behavior at the match, The scarf throwing, the rants at players and managers of both sides, the running up and down the sidelines, its not all jovial, I have seen him really angry at times too.. most of the time, to be fair its funny but in a really cringeworthy way (might just be me) I dont know the ins and the outs of it, and its not my place to say why, but its been suggested on this thread for the reasons for this behaviour. To the people who say its passion never mind, were EQUALLY as passionate about STFC as Bizzy, I dont know why he's out in some super league of fandom where anything he does is acceptable with some people... There are 100s other fans I could name who are 100% blue and amber and supprot the club through thick and thin as much as they can... and they can do it in a passionate way, without some of the histrionics you seen from the man in question. All in all we have a fan who has made a mistake for which he may pay a very big price, or may face no punishment at all...we dont know at this stage..... however if it was me I would take this as a massive wake up call as to my actions on a match day, and it appears from his post that he may do. One thing I know is he will be looked at and his actions judged this season more than they ever had by people on B and A now. I totally agree but there has been loads of posts about Timmy Mallet behaviour and the clique have come out and said ban him he's a disgrace fair enough but later down the line one of there own goes to a game drunk out his skull runs on to pitch its ok. Im just struggling to see a difference here why one ban not the other. I do like Bizzy he has made some away days very entertaining he is a dedicated fan who loves the town.
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 18:42:20 GMT 1
Post by WindsorShrew on Nov 3, 2010 18:42:20 GMT 1
I think if we can keep things in context this can be a hugely rewarding and interesting thread.
Firstly I should point out that I wasn't there last night so will only comment on the facts as I see them.
If a person breaks the law and enters a field of play then that person should be prepared to incur what ever penalties or rewards that particular act entails.
Regardless of whether it is a Shrewsbury fan or Port Vale or Wrexham. The law cannot and should not treat any one individual who does this any differently to another. By that I mean our supporter last night in my opinion should be prepared to face the same fate as the chap from Chesterfield the other week.
The law cannot know what intention an individual has for entering the field of play, thus the offense is simply entering the field of play.
I do believe however that when in court the Stewards - Police - CCTV should be used to determine the nature of the act carried out and that there is scope for different punishment. Ergo our supporter is punished for entering the field of play alone whereas the Chesterfield gent for entering the field of play and inciting away fans.
Now if you want an opinion it is unwise to drink large amounts of Alcohol when attending football, been there done that learnt lessons and moved on.
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 18:49:04 GMT 1
Post by True_Shrew on Nov 3, 2010 18:49:04 GMT 1
I agree with a lot of what Windsor has posted.
I wasn't there either but the over reaction by some is comical. Lessons will be learnt, but the posters looking for a ban of any great length really need a reality check.
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 18:49:13 GMT 1
Post by venceremos on Nov 3, 2010 18:49:13 GMT 1
The law cannot know what intention an individual has for entering the field of play, thus the offense is simply entering the field of play. I do believe however that when in court the Stewards - Police - CCTV should be used to determine the nature of the act carried out and that there is scope for different punishment. Ergo our supporter is punished for entering the field of play alone whereas the Chesterfield gent for entering the field of play and inciting away fans. On the other hand, it would be a ridiculous waste of time and money for a very minor public order offence to get anywhere near court. That should be reserved only for instances of violent or threatening behaviour, which this wasn't. I would like to think that the stewards and police there last night could see, along with everyone else, that there was no danger to anything other than his reputation from Bizzy's daftness. If entering the field of play is a criminal offence, then it shouldn't be. Trespass maybe, but that's a civil offence and would be punishable by a fine.
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 18:59:41 GMT 1
Post by markglasgow on Nov 3, 2010 18:59:41 GMT 1
Knew that there were a number of tools on this board, but rather surprised by the number of miserable gits who would relish the lad getting a ban. Yes he gets over excited and yes perhaps he over stepped the mark last night but give me an away end full of bizzy's over the pompous mice that create such a great atmosphere at the greenhous any day of the week.
For the record he wasn't the only town fan who got into trouble last night.... when wrighty scored my Mrs dashed into the room convinced I had somehow managed to electricute myself with the laptop. By all accounts my scream sounded like a cross between a 5yr old girl and a cat bring neutered!!
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 19:01:31 GMT 1
Post by saladsaladsalad on Nov 3, 2010 19:01:31 GMT 1
The law doesnt treat all fans that go on the pitch the same though, by the letter of the law they could, but dont. I would like to think that if its a case of only entering the pitch by a few yards and only to celebrate with your own teams players, you should be ejected from the ground and given a warning. Next time would be when a ban should be enforced, obviously anyone entering the pitch with malicious intent or running right into the middle of the pitch should be banned 1st time.
Silly mistake yes but for someone who is one of our most loyal supporters judging by the amount of games he goes to, a little discretion is the key as people do get over-excited. The fact he's drunk reflects badly though and may go against him.
Southstandshrew strikes me as very childish, just because he gets a bit of stick from certain parts sometimes he's always the first to lash out and try and hound people, get a life chap.
Guess it also depends if Bizzy has been warned about his conduct before, not as if he's a 16 year old who doesnt know any better.
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 19:12:57 GMT 1
Post by elmundo on Nov 3, 2010 19:12:57 GMT 1
The law cannot and should not treat any one individual who does this any differently to another. By that I mean our supporter last night in my opinion should be prepared to face the same fate as the chap from Chesterfield the other week. That tool didn't get a ban I believe. I am sure I read that he was given a police caution and then let go.
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 19:21:09 GMT 1
Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Nov 3, 2010 19:21:09 GMT 1
I totally agree but there has been loads of posts about Timmy Mallet behaviour and the clique have come out and said ban him he's a disgrace fair enough but later down the line one of there own goes to a game drunk out his skull runs on to pitch its ok. Im just struggling to see a difference here why one ban not the other. I think you are really spoiling a decent line of thinking by reference to a non-existent clique. Right the way through this thread there are DIFFERENT opinions. These come from a wide range of people. If a majority view is forming, that is not a clandestine agreement between people, it is genuinely what quite a few people think independently. A few people who by and large don't know each other and generally don't know Bizzy, but who enjoy their football and think people calling for a ban of a fellow fan is a bit daft. I don't know Bizzy well at all. I would not count him as a friend because I barely know the guy. Nor do I particularly like some of what he says and does after a few beers on a matchday. But I still think other town fans talking the way some have need to give their head a shake. Timmy Mallet gets a bit of grief because he spends his time barracking his own fans and being a complete distraction. If Bizzy was doing the same (and when he has in the past) he would get the same response as Mallet does.
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 20:25:22 GMT 1
Post by jamo on Nov 3, 2010 20:25:22 GMT 1
Now if you want an opinion it is unwise to drink large amounts of Alcohol when attending football, been there done that learnt lessons and moved on. I really don't get this idea that if you like a pint ( or two ! ) before the game that you are in some way irresponsible and virtually on the verge of criminality. I absolutely love the hour or two before a game almost as much as the game itself, very sociable and a chance to catch up with mates and have a giggle.
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 20:31:29 GMT 1
Post by Jemmo on Nov 3, 2010 20:31:29 GMT 1
Bizzy is the most loyal Shrewsbury Town fan I know and even the thought of banning him is way out of order.
I am his friend on facebook and by reading his status messages I dont think he has missed a first team or reserve game both home or away for quite some time and he even manages to go to youth games too both home and away. If thats not 1st class support what is.
Yes, running on the pitch is wrong but give the bloke a break....
Keep up the support Bizzy lad !!!!
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 21:02:35 GMT 1
Post by shrewsace on Nov 3, 2010 21:02:35 GMT 1
Perhaps some less well known 'characters' than Bizzy have had a less sympathetic hearing from B&A following misdemeanours of their own, hence some of the reaction on here. Who and when? Sorry Sir, obviously forgot to file the fully evidenced dossier I'm required to give you every time I make a post! Plenty of comments on here about fans being 'idiots' for swearing or loudly complaining from the stands, etc. There's no doubt that we hold people to a different standard depending whether we know and/or like them. This thread wouldn't even exist if Bizzy wasn't well know and liked member of B&A. That said I think my post would have been better worded: Perhaps some less well known 'characters' than Bizzy feel they've have had a less sympathetic hearing from B&A following misdemeanours of their own, hence some of the reaction on here.
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 21:13:08 GMT 1
Post by eclipsechaser on Nov 3, 2010 21:13:08 GMT 1
If it was a less well 'liked' member of the board I'm sure peoples viewpoints would be different but seeing as its good 'owd Bizzy lad' who cares hey? So true if that had of been me i would be looking at life behind bars now I would put you behind bars and thrown away the key for far less !
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 21:20:06 GMT 1
Post by eclipsechaser on Nov 3, 2010 21:20:06 GMT 1
I was sat next to Bizzy all but 2 empty seats . Yes , he remonstrated numerous times by the barrier but not once did he look threatening or too abusive .
There is the analogy of How dirty is your house ? Varying degrees of course depending on your point of view
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When Bizzy did run onto the pitch it was not out of anger or maliciousness or violence but just out of sheer joy , relief at winning right at the end of the game .
Right or Wrong , that is what emotion does for you !
A caution would be fair but nothing more .
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 22:49:06 GMT 1
Post by creature on Nov 3, 2010 22:49:06 GMT 1
If anyone's interested this month's WSC p29 has an advert for "The Football Fan's Inflatable Moral High Horse™". I'm happy to organise payment if we fancy getting a bulk order discount
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 22:56:09 GMT 1
Post by bungalowbill on Nov 3, 2010 22:56:09 GMT 1
Various comments are made on this thread about Bizzy being a most loyal fan. So what? There are other people who fit the same category who dont need to swear at the top of their voices as he regularly does in block 14 nor run onto the field of play to show appreciation of a teams performance.
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 23:11:47 GMT 1
Post by El Presidente on Nov 3, 2010 23:11:47 GMT 1
I think if we can keep things in context this can be huge. I should point out that it is unwise to drink large amounts of Alcohol when attending football, been there done that learnt lessons and moved on. Windy Spy-Cam... a 'Who's Who' of the B&A stalwarts?!
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 23:20:28 GMT 1
Post by theshrews81 on Nov 3, 2010 23:20:28 GMT 1
Looks like Bizzy hasnt got a ban from all the grounds. He was up the meadow tonight by all accounts!
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Bizzy
Nov 3, 2010 23:22:16 GMT 1
Post by jaytee on Nov 3, 2010 23:22:16 GMT 1
I think if we can keep things in context this can be huge. I should point out that it is unwise to drink large amounts of Alcohol when attending football, been there done that learnt lessons and moved on. Windy Spy-Cam... a 'Who's Who' of the B&A stalwarts?! That's a dirty, rotten, stinking lie. I admit that's me on the right, but my nose has been shrunk, As well as my.......well perhaps not.
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Bizzy
Nov 4, 2010 13:52:19 GMT 1
Post by kuffdam72 on Nov 4, 2010 13:52:19 GMT 1
don't won't any town fan getting a ban but if you go on the pitch thats the risk you take. if it someone people didn't know on B&A and say they were wearing stone island etc most people would be calling them a discrace to the club .
Been on many a pitch down the years , just don't get caught is the trick.lol
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Bizzy
Nov 4, 2010 13:55:48 GMT 1
Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Nov 4, 2010 13:55:48 GMT 1
I remember when he was messing around with the red sauce at the hot food buffet at the Stafford away friendly in 2008. There was better children behaved that day, Mr Plimmer was present too then again I recall Mr Plimmers infamous rant at Notts County away near the end of the Peters era. Moral of the story? Drink less lads. I think after some of you posts on here I would ask you not to throw stones in glass houses SSS. Ironic that me and Bradders were hugging after Wrights goal ;-0
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Bizzy
Nov 4, 2010 14:44:12 GMT 1
Post by blum on Nov 4, 2010 14:44:12 GMT 1
Looks like Bizzy hasnt got a ban from all the grounds. He was up the meadow tonight by all accounts! Bizzy, come on owd lad, everyone on here wants to know what is happening. Not being nosey but you can see all the debate. Personally I'm keeping my fingers crossed for good things, however, the lack of input from your good self as to whether you were just ejected or arrested is keeping tongues wagging... Only you (if you want to of course) can enlighten us.
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Bizzy
Nov 4, 2010 14:46:13 GMT 1
Post by scottsalop on Nov 4, 2010 14:46:13 GMT 1
wouldnt of thought they would of nicked him. Ejected more than likely
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Bizzy
Nov 4, 2010 15:38:44 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2010 15:38:44 GMT 1
don't won't any town fan getting a ban but if you go on the pitch thats the risk you take. if it someone people didn't know on B&A and say they were wear stone island etc most people would be calling them a discrace to the club . Been on many a pitch down the years , just don't get caught is the trick.lol I think i know who you are, and if correct, you should have been banned years ago.
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Bizzy
Nov 4, 2010 15:47:39 GMT 1
Post by kuffdam72 on Nov 4, 2010 15:47:39 GMT 1
don't won't any town fan getting a ban but if you go on the pitch thats the risk you take. if it someone people didn't know on B&A and say they were wear stone island etc most people would be calling them a discrace to the club . Been on many a pitch down the years , just don't get caught is the trick.lol I think i know who you are, and if correct, you should have been banned years ago. Up the jolly boys
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Bizzy
Nov 4, 2010 17:15:00 GMT 1
Post by BigBadSagi on Nov 4, 2010 17:15:00 GMT 1
WOW!!!!!
This thread really takes me back to the good old days.
The clique members denying the existence of a clique!!!!!
2010 and the B&A clique is still going strong!!!!
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Bizzy
Nov 4, 2010 17:25:17 GMT 1
Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Nov 4, 2010 17:25:17 GMT 1
WOW!!!!! This thread really takes me back to the good old days. The clique members denying the existence of a clique!!!!! 2010 and the B&A clique is still going strong!!!! More like people are disagreed with and can't handle it so start throwing words like clique around. If there was a clique I would be accused of being in it and so would Pricey. Considering on this thread we have said different things it rather knocks on the head the idea that it is all "the clique". Unless people want to explain who is in it and how it works, it is just remains a desperate cheapshot. Like the person in Shelton Hospital because "everyone else is mad" so sounds the person who starts to see a lot of people disagree with them and instead of defending their position they blame "the clique".
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