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Post by heavenlyshrew on Oct 2, 2010 19:10:57 GMT 1
You should have gone to Oldham and Stoke, you would think otherwise. Can you pick any other Steve Leslie highlights from the last 3 years? thought not
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2010 19:12:39 GMT 1
I looked at the team today, thought it might be a gamble with so many attacking midfielders, but was excited at the same time. It didnt work out, not because of Leslie (although he was poor) but because they outnumbered us tactically in midfield. All the dramatic statements that hes not fit for this or that are disappointing as is the reaction of a minority of the crowd. He has already contributed to our decent start this season and I am sure he will carry on to do that whether it be from the bench or as part of the starting line up. Yes he deserved to come off but there were a few of ours today who I am sure had worse pass completion stats
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 2, 2010 19:13:58 GMT 1
Macclesfield and Barnet last season as well, nobody can argue the boy has got talent, he is frustrating though, he is well capable of being a superstar in this division. It's never too late for him to sort his inconsistency, though having fans waiting on his every mistake is not going to help his confidence at all
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 2, 2010 19:14:05 GMT 1
How can it be 1-0 to you when you were not at the game but you still defend Leslie? You are clueless too by the sounds of things. I am not disputing that Leslie had a bad game. It sounds from a good few folk on here that he didnt have the best of games. What I can't understand it folk having a pop at the player when the only person at the club who could have dealt with the situation, could have changed it, could have got him off the park...was the manager. Who waited until the 70th minute to do so. Clueless?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 2, 2010 19:16:38 GMT 1
You should have gone to Oldham and Stoke, you would think otherwise. Can you pick any other Steve Leslie highlights from the last 3 years? thought not Macclesfield and Barnet last season
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Oct 2, 2010 19:20:07 GMT 1
That is really setting the world alight isnt it not only 4 decent games in 3 years but 2 were against the worse teams in the league. Btw who told you Leslie had a good game against stoke?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 2, 2010 19:22:47 GMT 1
That is really setting the world alight isnt it not only 4 decent games in 3 years but 2 were against the worse teams in the league. Btw who told you Leslie had a good game against stoke? So you ask for some other examples, I give you two more and you say thats not good enough This is just a personal vendetta against Leslie, did he sleep with your wife or something? And you practically confirmed yourself Leslie had a good game against Stoke
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Oct 2, 2010 19:37:00 GMT 1
I had to start a thread of mine own.If he is a Flippin pro football player then so am i.**** off you useless **** and dont put on a town shirt again. You should be embarrased to call yourself a fan..pathetic over reaction..wasn't his best game but ffs....
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Post by shrewd67 on Oct 2, 2010 19:41:45 GMT 1
I've wanted him to succeed but he's had plenty of chances; you never quite know what you are going to get from him and unfortunately he has more bad games than good. In the second half today he was becoming a liability so poor was his passing.
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Post by frustratedshrew on Oct 2, 2010 19:43:05 GMT 1
he isnt good enough we have been saying for years he has potential but he hasnt fulfilled it he as a moment of brilliance occasionally. disley had a good game remember he had to cover for leslie in the middle of park he had too do two peoples jobs. wright was doing well out wide then he had too go in centre because of leslie robinson had too go out wide and we were left with leslie behind harrold. hes had enough chances out wide and in the centre and i remember people saying who watch the reserves that leslies best position is centre mid so no excuses he isnt good enough. when macca came on you could see the difference. he should of been off after 30 mins. i would loan him out to conference or lower league 2 team too see if a change of scenary will kick start his career cause there is no denying he has the potential. and you could see that the other players were frustrated with him especially wright disley sharps as there know he isnt up to standard he cant read the game well his passing is poor especially when he tries crossfield balls. but he can improve and i hope he does as hes come through are ranks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2010 20:12:48 GMT 1
In reply heavenly seeing as you appear so desperate for it - I absolutely didn't think Leslie had a good game today. He started okay but as Torquay began to dominate the midfield, by the 20 minute marker the home moaners had started to target him when Diz was also way off the pace and the wingers were struggling alongside them. We started to go long but the more the frustrations grew, the more audible the groans towards a shrewsbury boy. I don't keep a chronicle of good and bad games, I just like the lad as a player as I said in a similar thread earlier in the week. You don't and you make that patently obvious. But I don't see the point in lambasting ONE player when by and large the team were well below par today based on what we've seen to this point. So right back at you fella, your turn to answer a question: how do you think you will improve a player's game (one selected by the Messiah in every squad this season) by booing your tits off every 5 minutes?
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Post by hardly on Oct 2, 2010 23:00:28 GMT 1
I had to start a thread of mine own.If he is a Flippin pro football player then so am i.**** off you useless **** and dont put on a town shirt again. **** off you useless **** and dont call yourself a supporter again! You really don't have any idea how to motivate people do you! It is you that is clueless! ... and senseless as well
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Post by scotland on Oct 2, 2010 23:19:57 GMT 1
Heavenly you are pathetic stupid ignorant person this is personal towards Leslie why do you hate him so much has he upset you or something hes going no ware.GT likes him so get over it and move on.
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Post by ShrewsburySTFC on Oct 2, 2010 23:44:21 GMT 1
Stockport this season he had a really good game, also didn't do bad and maybe even changed the game at Vale.
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Post by starlight on Oct 3, 2010 0:09:51 GMT 1
Leslie was very poor today. I was surprised G.T played him in the centre with just him and Disley. Clearly not strong enough, poor decision by G.T i'm afraid.
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Oct 3, 2010 0:30:09 GMT 1
Disleys' game improved with the introduction of McIntyre but I'd say that was because Lesleys' replacement was playing in a more familiar role in the centre, Lesley was clearly like a fish out of water in the role he 'played?' in today.
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Oct 3, 2010 0:46:33 GMT 1
I had to start a thread of mine own.If he is a Flippin pro football player then so am i.**** off you useless **** and dont put on a town shirt again. **** off you useless **** and dont call yourself a supporter again! You really don't have any idea how to motivate people do you! It is you that is clueless! ... and senseless as well Steven Leslie is here to stay - Live with it heavenly you pathetic excuse of a supporter.
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Post by nicko on Oct 3, 2010 7:59:40 GMT 1
Steve Leslie is either good or bad, there seems to be no middle ground with him.
From my own personal point of view I find him a frustrating player to watch so much talent, but poor application.
As for yesterday I can forgive him misplaced passes and for trying things that didn't come off, but as a supporter I can't forgive his (what I perceive to be) lack of work-rate.
There were times yesterday were he bottled tackles, failed to track back and seemed to be in cruise control. We really needed a battler in the mid-field.
Which brings me on to GT. He maybe should have changed it halfway through the first half by bringing McIntyre on for the lad.
Even though I swore at Leslie yesterday in sheer frustration at his lack of a tackle, the booing of him was awful.
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Post by shrewd67 on Oct 3, 2010 8:40:04 GMT 1
Steven Leslie is here to stay - Live with it heavenly you pathetic excuse of a supporter. We will see. you really are a clueless prick. Handbags. If you want to start trading personal insults PM each other but keep it off here.
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Post by shrewd67 on Oct 3, 2010 8:49:45 GMT 1
Incidentally and on a lighter note in the last couple of games Leslie has received a fair bit of stick from a small group in block 10 who refer to him as 'pencil', what's that all about?
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Post by Exkeeper on Oct 3, 2010 9:28:37 GMT 1
Stockport this season he had a really good game, also didn't do bad and maybe even changed the game at Vale. I can't argue with the comment, "maybe even changed the game at Vale". His failure to pick up his man in midfield, led directly to the pass, from which the Vale guy scored. I don't like to hear any Town player getting booed and it is certainly counter productive, but the fact that people are still questioning whether he is good enough after over 100 appearances, would maybe suggest that he is not. The fact that he is "local", should have no bearing on the arguement. I fear that the lad may be another Tolley, but I really hope not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2010 10:30:45 GMT 1
reminder to heavenly: how do you propose to improve a players game by booing your tits off every 5 minutes? I think I can answer that for you: You won't.
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Post by feltonshrew on Oct 3, 2010 10:36:56 GMT 1
it seems leslie will become the new lewis neal and someone for the fans to pick on. the problem is he isnt good enough in one position to hold down his place, so gets switched from playing behind a lone striker last year to left midfield to right midfield and into the centre. if most others got played out of position then we would have a go at the manager rather than the player. At Vale he was the only winger who actually put a decent cross into the box in the whole game and as he didnt play for 75 mins then that doesnt say much for the others. Hes a local lad who needs some support not the treatment he gets. im not going to say he should be in the starting line up but on yesterdays first half i would have taken ainswoth off who didnt even break into a sweat and put leslie out wide where he is more comfortable. give the lad a break
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Post by stockportershrew on Oct 3, 2010 10:38:50 GMT 1
He was poor yesterday but no worse than Ainsworth (who was barely in the game) or Wright who also persistently gave the ball away. It may however be in Leslie's best long term interests if he left since it's clear he's not going to get a fair deal with a section of the town support.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Oct 3, 2010 10:41:14 GMT 1
reminder to heavenly: how do you propose to improve a players game by booing your tits off every 5 minutes? I think I can answer that for you: You won't. I did not boo him and i would never boo any town player. If people do boo him might give him the kick up the arse he needs .Its simple shape up or ship out for him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2010 10:50:27 GMT 1
no town player should be booed by Town fans imo even paul simpson (as was) i never have and never will, but the way leslie played yesterday i can fully understand why he was getting booed.
simple passes going to the opposition, not going into 50 50 challenges, taking a free kick and passing it perfectly 20 yards to the feet of one of the opposition players.
think he has had his chances here, has obviously lost the crowd and would do well to find himself another club and relaunch his carreer a la symes and pugh.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2010 10:52:52 GMT 1
People can (rightly) question why Leslie is getting so much stick as other players (notably Wright) were just as poor, if not worse.
The reason, in my opinion is that Leslie has been here for some time now and produced numerous performances like that and people are now fed up of it. He has had some decent performances but he has had a hell of a lot more poor/ineffective games.
There is no denying that GT got it wrong with playing Leslie in the middle but the player himself has to take responsibility. People were frustrated with his general performance but the final straw for many was his numerous bottling out of tackles in the second half. Lets be honest that football fans are quite easily pleased and if someone does a few crunching tackles they will be liked. However if they bottle out of tackles then they are basically the anti-christ
The lad does have ability but for whatever reason he cant produce it on a regular basis and thats why I think he shouldnt be in our first eleven.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2010 10:56:12 GMT 1
reminder to heavenly: how do you propose to improve a players game by booing your tits off every 5 minutes? I think I can answer that for you: You won't. I did not boo him and i would never boo any town player. If people do boo him might give him the kick up the arse he needs .Its simple shape up or ship out for him. apology heavenly - I'd summised you booed. I'll put the question differently then....how do you think you'll improve his game by comments like these... "**** off you useless **** and dont put on a town shirt again."
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Post by eclipsechaser on Oct 3, 2010 12:03:02 GMT 1
When Leslie plays i am always willing him to do well BUT the problem is you never know whether he will hit Gold or Ratners .
Its only the manager that knows whether in that weeks training or in a previous substitution performance he has done well and thus deserves an appearance in the following game .
It seems that that previous managers couldn't work this one out either .
So the end result is , Do you keep him and accept the strange range of performances he displays or do you let him go and get a replacement who is more consistent ?
If we could find a Raven player , renowned for his reliability and consistency then i would plumb for that option .
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Post by scotland on Oct 3, 2010 14:27:21 GMT 1
It's you heavenly that needs a kick up the arse . Starting the thead about Leslie and turning fans against him.You have never liked him but belive it or not he has plenty fans that like him.give it a rest and talk about something else for a change.
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