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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 28, 2010 14:26:26 GMT 1
Right fine I will use the official 'channels' to contact Mr Harris and ask just what he does to earn a salary from STFC.
I'll keep you updated on the reply I get.
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Post by monkee on Jul 28, 2010 14:34:31 GMT 1
Right fine I will use the official 'channels' to contact Mr Harris and ask just what he does to earn a salary from STFC. I'll keep you updated on the reply I get. if i were him, i would hit the delete button. what right do you have to randomly select someone and demand a justification of their salary? what do you do for a living? if i send you a letter through the correct channels will you provide me with a breakdown of your post? i doubt it very much. surely the bloke has more than enough to do without answering letters from gobshiites on messageboards
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Jul 28, 2010 14:43:00 GMT 1
Right fine I will use the official 'channels' to contact Mr Harris and ask just what he does to earn a salary from STFC. I'll keep you updated on the reply I get. if i were him, i would hit the delete button. what right do you have to randomly select someone and demand a justification of their salary? what do you do for a living? if i send you a letter through the correct channels will you provide me with a breakdown of your post? i doubt it very much. surely the bloke has more than enough to do without answering letters from gobshiites on messageboards Post of the month to Marcus
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Post by gay on Jul 28, 2010 14:43:17 GMT 1
so I take it that is a big fat NO on the suggestion of doing a season long match day programme feature article on all aspects of STFC employees / volunteer? Can I therefore ask why ask about Mr Harris specifically? Also on behalf of everyone here at B+A you never came out with a reason why you helped set up the B+A facebook group then departed in mysterious ways? Just to re-jig everyone's memory, here is a link : www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=24634951947&ref=ts In times of recession, I would have thought as someone who had the responsible role as admin to this page that you may well be communicating with Mr Harris yourself and indeed Mr Whitfield and Bebbington and spreading the word of the online programmes possible. After all, more hits equals more advertising revenue and any help in spreading the word of this exciting new feature, I am sure everyone at STFC would be delighted. Once again, so many moaners and not enough doers STFC is a community - be a part of it or may I suggest getting out? It has survived for 125 years because of people helping and doing things. Names like Cecil Dunfield, Fred Brown, Chris Smith come to mind. Dear old Mary who sadly passed away selling the lottery tickets, BVS selling scratch cards, in recent times P58, Monkee etc all trying their best to contribute to the programme. All those hard working ShrewsTrust people. Where is the new generation?
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 28, 2010 14:47:09 GMT 1
so I take it that is a big fat NO on the suggestion of doing a season long match day programme feature article on all aspects of STFC employees / volunteer? Can I therefore ask why ask about Mr Harris specifically? Also on behalf of everyone here at B+A you never came out with a reason why you helped set up the B+A facebook group then departed in mysterious ways? Just to re-jig everyone's memory, here is a link : www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=24634951947&ref=ts In times of recession, I would have thought as someone who had the responsible role as admin to this page that you may well be communicating with Mr Harris yourself and indeed Mr Whitfield and Bebbington and spreading the word of the online programmes possible. After all, more hits equals more advertising revenue and any help in spreading the word of this exciting new feature, I am sure everyone at STFC would be delighted. Once again, so many moaners and not enough doers STFC is a community - be a part of it or may I suggest getting out? It has survived for 125 years because of people helping and doing things. Names like Cecil Dunfield, Fred Brown, Chris Smith come to mind. Dear old Mary who sadly passed away selling the lottery tickets, BVS selling scratch cards, in recent times P58, Monkee etc all trying their best to contribute to the programme. All those hard working ShrewsTrust people. Where is the new generation? Thats just it Billy I haven't departed the B&A Facebook Group.
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Post by gay on Jul 28, 2010 14:50:16 GMT 1
this thread is about questions - therefore answer this...
can I assume that I will have to come up with another idea or pester another fan to fill the programme being as though you won't do it?
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 28, 2010 14:54:00 GMT 1
this thread is about questions - therefore answer this... can I assume that I will have to come up with another idea or pester another fan to fill the programme being as though you won't do it? You love me don't you Whats does doing this programme bit contain?
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Post by gay on Jul 28, 2010 15:00:02 GMT 1
have you read what others think is actually a very good programme feature and my suggestions?
each match, 1,500 words on the role of a stfc employee - perhaps have a feature on B+A where fans can ask questions for you to relate to the relevant people
Lots of work and tough deadlines, but I am awaiting the excuse as I doubt you can write continue a 9 month journey discovering and relaying your findings for all to see.
perhaps you will start to smell of roses once more, perhaps being a bit more understanding on the way the club operates and conducts its business
PM me your feature 5 days before each matchday and state in blocks of 6 the people you wish to investigate so that we can arrange to have images of them
May I suggest you hurry along and contact Mr Harris as the deadline for the Bradford programme is fast approaching
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 28, 2010 15:04:26 GMT 1
"STFC is a community - be a part of it or may I suggest getting out?
It has survived for 125 years because of people helping and doing things. Names like Cecil Dunfield, Fred Brown, Chris Smith come to mind. Dear old Mary who sadly passed away selling the lottery tickets, BVS selling scratch cards, in recent times P58, Monkee etc all trying their best to contribute to the programme. All those hard working ShrewsTrust people. Where is the new generation? "
Intreesting points Matt... First again a little harsh on younger town fans I could name a few younger fans who are involved in things.
You have the likes of Samtheshrew, riversider and the other Ultras who tried to get things going in the new ground and have now moved onto flags and the ASFC... but your right other than that, where is that next generation of town fans that are " doers" as you say...
Its more noticable as the last generation - the around 30 somethings (lets say the Ants, Welshrews, myself, TBH, Suttonshrew, Gerry) contine to be involved in things despite life now being more hetic than ever as our jobs and familey take more of our time...
The question of whos next to take the lead in things and contribute to the programmes/fanzines/websites/supporters groups and the like is an intresting one... the fanzine is never short of contibutors from all sorts of people young and old, so there is a certain amount of people who would help... but I think that people are now more warey than ever of doing something for nothing...
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Post by Groover on Jul 28, 2010 15:06:13 GMT 1
I thought it was 124?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 28, 2010 15:06:53 GMT 1
Ps thats a good idea by the way Matt...
However if its for the programme can i suggest on the evidence of what happend to the fanzine editors and Page58, and steve rodgerson that any questions remotely confrontational, not with the party line, or question the role and work that anyone does at the club or generally annoy the chairman will result in a swift cansellation of the artical!
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Post by monkee on Jul 28, 2010 15:11:04 GMT 1
perhaps you will start to smell of roses once more, perhaps being a bit more understanding on the way the club operates and conducts its business i think thats the most important part of that post, when you get to know the individuals involved and what their role involves, you see them as human beings. if you dont, you just have a name to shout at when you are feeling aggreived.
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Post by gay on Jul 28, 2010 15:18:30 GMT 1
at least those guys and girls tried though - you would have to go with party line as its an official club publication, but equally writing in a positive vibe makes the writer and the reader more proud of their little club
I would make the style focus on the documentation of the role rather than question it
It has become abundantly clear many fans simply have no idea on the constraints the council say have over the club. it would be interesting I feel for fans to read about the role the safety officer and general manager play in the club. Some would argue it is easier to get 11 men on the park that doing that role
I knew nothing of the constraints until I documented the building of the new stadium. That is why I became so vocal on those slamming certain aspects of the new stadium as I so wanted to educate them and make them understand the reasons behind it.
Be it a wind up or not, what does Jon Harris do is a good and interesting article for those genuinely interested.
People need to promote the club more rather than knock it. My point about online programmes was a genuine one. If the club have the stats to prove 10,000 people read it then it gives the commercial department better reasons to persuade companies who are interested in advertising for example.
Supporters Bar - a great idea on paper, but a select few looked into it and found it not to be economical - but the facts are people got up and DID THINGS instead of keyboard warrior style moaning.
I spent a day at FC United and then 2 days at Manchester United last season doing a feature for a German magazine. Although Man U is a massive club, I would probably stick my head out and suggest the premier league club has more of a community spirit to it than FC United due to the people doing behind the scenes work that gets un-noticed.
At the moment, although Martin is doing a great community job along with many others, there appears to be more antaganistic angry vibes about the club on here than positive ones. If people dont like it and genuinely care about the club, then I am simply suggesting that they contribute in a more positive manner and then quite possibly love the club even more.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 28, 2010 16:09:10 GMT 1
Comes down to the following though matt, something people have long questioned...
Communication.
there is a LOT of good news storys at the club that would be worth telling, but whos responsibilty is it?? The fans to come forward and do all the leg work or the football club to try and education fans..
Its fair to say that a lot of the issues and mistruthes that people hear and then rumors build from, are realted to a lack of effort (not the right word prahaps) to get the message out there from the club about the work that people do, the problems they face, and how best they try to solve them with with the fans in mind.
For example.. I know from my work experience how we have ended up with a poorly accesiable stadium for most people, a fair chuck of the problems are 100% not related to this club.... but to this DAY some fans still think the club ballsed everything up and now wont "fix" it... a section on the programme.website explaining this would good, and frankley stop all this nonsence that people post on here about it
There is nothing stopping the club, putting the artical you mention in above themselves... other than time and cost pressures on Whitters I bet... but paying someone to assist him and really open the club up might be the first step (if hes swamped which I have no idea if he is)....
Swings and roundabout really... do the club provide for the fans or vice versa on matters like this?
The programme is clearly the mouth peice of the club and as such they should use it to make more of themselves in it......
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Post by siabod on Jul 28, 2010 16:58:15 GMT 1
for a non-loaded, non-STFC bias reply : he does absolutely sod all, all day, everyday except play cricket on a small play station 3 that he had under his desk = does that answer your question? he is a lovely friendly chap who I am sure will be more than willing to personally explain I know what he does but it is apparent that you have nothing to occupy yourself with today so perhaps it is better if you find out for yourself, therefore why don't you simply call him and ask. I'm even providing the telephone number so that it saves you the hassle of ploughing through the official clubs website. I can assure you that it works also : 01743 289177 Perhaps then you could communicate with Ian Whit who has too much on his plate and is in desperate need for programme help. This season I can not devote much of my spare time to STFC and I have other things going on, however may I suggest that you offer to spend all season writing 1,500 word articles on people behind the scenes so that supporters like yourself are aware of their roles and work in the football club. Starting the series off with Jon Harris would be an excellent start - perhaps then the chefs, the ground staff, safety officers and the problems that they encounter on a weekly basis, Sib in the club shop and the difficult decisions she has to face in trying to order the correct number of items for fans to purchase, the commercial dept and how they struggle through the recessions, dave hughes and walford college, the U9s to the U16s and how many people devote their time to bring up the youngsters - so many ideas... I personally think the idea is an excellent one and for someone who questions what officials do in the club, it is a superb idea to help fan to club relations and communicate the hard work that everyone has to do every day with little or no merit from the paying fans. As Ant always says, too many moaners and not enough doers. You clearly have had enough time to interview Mr Harris this morning judging on the amount of time 'wasted' on B+A. It would only take 1 hr every two weeks. I expect to see Mr Harris on Monday when I would dearly love him to say.. "Hey that southstandshrew chap rung me last week - what a great bloke..." and for the media department to say "Yes, he is a lifesaver. I am sure that the fans will love his programme feature..."[/quo Excellent post
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Post by WindsorShrew on Jul 28, 2010 17:19:06 GMT 1
You gotta love B&A...
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Post by jaytee on Jul 28, 2010 18:06:28 GMT 1
**** me, I can't believe this.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Jul 28, 2010 19:05:13 GMT 1
How many times...nooooo !
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Post by RBA on Jul 28, 2010 19:37:03 GMT 1
South stand shrew get in touch with Mr Harris and ask him if you dont want to do that dont start threads like this please
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2010 20:04:38 GMT 1
Can't understand why you felt it neccessary to ask the question about a specific person.Has he done something to annoy you? I know the man personally, as he the time and trouble to run a Junior Football Team for many years for our local club.I am sure whatever he does he gives 100%. If you follow the advice already given you will give him a ring. He's a nice fella and i am sure he will probably arrange a meet to answer your questions, possibly over a pint.
When you'v e done that, come back to us and let us know how things went.
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Post by eclipsechaser on Jul 28, 2010 20:33:04 GMT 1
It is an innocent and valid question . He only wants to know out of interest and curiosity not malice or vindictiveness . Please be reasonable .....................
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2010 20:38:29 GMT 1
so I take it that is a big fat NO on the suggestion of doing a season long match day programme feature article on all aspects of STFC employees / volunteer? Can I therefore ask why ask about Mr Harris specifically? Also on behalf of everyone here at B+A you never came out with a reason why you helped set up the B+A facebook group then departed in mysterious ways? Just to re-jig everyone's memory, here is a link : www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=24634951947&ref=ts In times of recession, I would have thought as someone who had the responsible role as admin to this page that you may well be communicating with Mr Harris yourself and indeed Mr Whitfield and Bebbington and spreading the word of the online programmes possible. After all, more hits equals more advertising revenue and any help in spreading the word of this exciting new feature, I am sure everyone at STFC would be delighted. Once again, so many moaners and not enough doers STFC is a community - be a part of it or may I suggest getting out? It has survived for 125 years because of people helping and doing things. Names like Cecil Dunfield, Fred Brown, Chris Smith come to mind. Dear old Mary who sadly passed away selling the lottery tickets, BVS selling scratch cards, in recent times P58, Monkee etc all trying their best to contribute to the programme. All those hard working ShrewsTrust people. Where is the new generation? Top post Billy. It is nice to know that some on here still remember the " old school" supporter who gave hours of their own time to a club which, in many cases, became very close to their hearts,for little or no reward. And i am sure there are many younger ones who are, even now ,following in their footsteps. You only have to come on B&A for a short while to realise the amount of " dOER'S" this club has, from the lads who organised the buying of the flag, World Cup competitions,fanzines etc etc, even those who have set up and run this board. Fred Brown is my father in law, and unfortunately is very ill at the moment and nearing 87. The club, through Mike Thomas and Graham, make sure he has a match day programme, EVERY week. There are a lot of good people both inside the club, and those who just support. I am sure the fanbase will continue to grow long after we have all gone. Lets all enjoy our time as fans and appreciate what we have more.
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Post by shrewd67 on Jul 29, 2010 6:29:52 GMT 1
Right fine I will use the official 'channels' to contact Mr Harris and ask just what he does to earn a salary from STFC. I'll keep you updated on the reply I get. Don't bother not interested. Take your little campaign elsewhere.
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Post by Dancin on Jul 29, 2010 10:33:08 GMT 1
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Post by earleyshrew on Jul 29, 2010 10:38:12 GMT 1
I think the author of this thread is bang out of order. The club and Jon are under no obligation to explain what his role entails. Why don't you pop into your local high street bank and ask the manager what he does to justify his salary.
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Post by DaveG on Jul 29, 2010 10:44:10 GMT 1
I think the author of this thread is bang out of order. The club and Jon are under no obligation to explain what his role entails. Why don't you pop into your local high street bank and ask the manager what he does to justify his salary. I actually think that it is very important that the club is very clear and open about what each employees' role is. A lot of confusion in the past has been caused by fans not knowing who is responsible for what. I'm also certain JH would have no problem clarifying this to anyone who asked in a polite and reasonable fashion. What is unacceptable is summoning someone to an unofficial forum to "justify a salary". Mind boggling arrogance.
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Post by Hatfieldshrew on Jul 29, 2010 11:10:09 GMT 1
I think the author of this thread is bang out of order. The club and Jon are under no obligation to explain what his role entails. Why don't you pop into your local high street bank and ask the manager what he does to justify his salary. Wrong!! It's a PLC so there is an obligation to explain, but in the right way.
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Post by earleyshrew on Jul 29, 2010 11:39:39 GMT 1
You are both wrong no PLC has any obligation to explain the role of an employee to their customers or the general public. If you are a shareholder then you have the right to raise a question at an AGM or EGM which may or may not be answered. Then as a shareholder if you are not happy you can try and raise support to force a vote on the matter. I'm assuming that the person that started this thread is not a shareholder !
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