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Post by PeterBroadbent on Jul 17, 2010 10:30:52 GMT 1
In my opinion, all the signings so far are solid, honest, hard working pros, and I would rather a squad full of them than 2 or 3 WOW signings. I would agree with that Sam As Ive said on a few threads, some people are underwhelmed with the signings because of the unrealistic expectations some have when it comes to signings. A person will post that player A has been made available or player B used to play for Turner so therefore fans assume we will be signing. But when we dont sign them and instead bring in less well known players, but more realistic signings, its not good enough. However this isnt Championship Manager, we cant just say we want players A, B, C & D and go and sign them. We have a budget to stick to and then there are other clubs who might want the aforementioned players. I think some fans are in need for a reality check and just because we spent £170k on Grant Holt a few years back it doesnt mean we are a massive club or have a bottomless pit Before PeteBroadbent comes back with his "its only me that doesnt want mid-table mediocrity" line, can I ask not what players do you want as you refuse to answer the questions, but which players have been signed already by L2 clubs would you consider wow, exciting signings? Which players have been signed which you think you would like here? Your constantly talk as if we are getting the journeymen players whilst other clubs are splashing the cash so therefore who are all these players we have missed out on? Back to the original post concerning how we are shaping up, I must admit that currently it has elements of a squad under the two previous managers, hard-working, organised but no real stand out players. I didnt realise Wrights record was so good at MK so hopefully he can be the attacking spark, along with a creative midfielder. A genuine out and out goalscorer would be very nice but back to my original point in that we cant get every player we want so Im not too sure where we get them from or who we could get? At the moment theres a lot of guesswork Will Jake Robinson be given a big part and will we see him like the first few games of last season? Will a fit Craig Disley be the box to box player we are hoping for? Will BVDB be given a central midfield role and be the goalscoring midfielder we hope for? Will Lewis Neale start showing us what we can do rather than the odd glimpse last season? Will Bright be given a bigger chance and take it? Will Tom Bradshaw be given opportunities and progress from last season? Will other youngsters like the Taylors be given an opportunity and take it? Will Wright get his career back on track and show his MK form? No doubt certain posters will say to even suggest the above is clutching at straws. My point is at the moment no one knows whats in GT's mind about who the first XI will be, the formation, the style of play and the general mentality of how we will play Yes, quality post .... and who knows, I agree. Having offloaded MH to us, could I suggest that Pitman and Strevens look a bit tastier than any of the incomings our end so far?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2010 10:46:24 GMT 1
Pitman wasnt a signing as such but his goalscoring record is 33 goals in 93 games (plus 38 as sub). He has scored 10 goals in 36 games for Wycombe plus 26 sub appearances
As for Strevens, his goalscoring record is 86 goals in 286 games (plus 35 as sub) and his previous clubs are Barnet, Slough, Crawley, St Albans, Dagenham & Brentford. He scored 6 goals last season in 20 appearances
Do you genuinely think he both of them are the exciting, wow, Grant Holt type player you have been asking for?
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Post by mattmw on Jul 17, 2010 11:11:46 GMT 1
To me the side seems to be shaping up reasonably well. There seems to be a decent balance between in the squad with experienced players like Sharps, Macintyre, and Holden and the younger players like Bradshaw and Robinson, add to that we've got some players in their mid 20's with a fair bit of experience behind them.
Over the last few years sides that have got promoted have done it using hard working, professional players, playing to a set system, so there's no reason why we can't. The key to me will be how the management team get the best out of players like Leslie, Robinson, Neal and Disley. We've seen touches of decent play from all of them and if they can do that on a more regular basis that will be a big help to the side and reduce the need for new signings.
Also the signings we've made wouldn't seem to be that high risk and stretching the coffers to the limit so as the season progresses the squad can be added to.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2010 11:14:57 GMT 1
Shaping up not too bad at all. Sure, would like to see a creative midfielder and another striker added but so far so good. Just looking forward to GT having a go now and adopting a positive formation/approach that excites us and gives the team a chance of pushing for promotion. I feel that there are 3 or 4 of Simpson's players who have a lot more to show than we have seen so far, especially Robinson and Disley.
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Jul 17, 2010 11:17:23 GMT 1
Was just giving a couple of examples.
But, I cannot answer the question about what players should we sign, etc. And I cannot attempt to as to be able to do so even in outline would need me to have the complete budgets for all the clubs in all the leagues, the managers' plans for all the clubs in all the leagues, the views of all the players in all the leagues, etc etc. There are too many variables, all of them I know nothing about.
My views on the quality of MH and MW are a different issue to this entirely, and are addressing a different question to the one you seem to want me to address. This is a slighly easier issue to have a view on as (i) we know who they are, (ii) we know what they have done, (iii) we know our other players. From this we can have a good guess at what might transpire.
I am hopeful that some there is still plenty of time for quality to be added.
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Post by shrewd67 on Jul 17, 2010 11:59:12 GMT 1
Slowly but surely I strongly believe that GT is putting a squad together capable of competing at the top end of the table. If he achieves the last few pieces of the jigsaw with a half decent striker, senior midfielder who can pass the ball and goalkeeper we will be in really good shape. I expect fitness levels to be improved with a physically stronger group of players. Increased discipline and teamwork should put us right up there with the contenders. Please note I am not suggesting we will win the league but will be one of six or seven teams in with a shout of promotion. I am very curious to learn the identity of the forward that GT suggested was close to joining? Any ideas? This could be the key signing at this stage.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2010 17:33:00 GMT 1
We couldn't allow Messi here anyway - he isn't a mediocre, honest, 'works hard', worse than what we had already on paper, journeyman pro! Wouldn't fit in at all!! Also, he is exciting, and has a good scoring record and plays with flair. Definitately not the kind of player most on here would hope for, for us. Not sure I am too enamoured with the 'disruptive influence' comments though - www.brfcforum.co.uk/index.php?/topic/90934-wright-gone/Guess GT has plenty of experience of managing out this kind of thing. Damn, I bit AG!! If you read the complete thread it seems the pro's and con's of Wright are split 50/50. Seems like he was subject to horrendous abuse from certain fans at Bristol, together with his family. No wonder he did'nt flourish there. Some Bristol fans seem to think that this is one transfer than could come back to "bite them on the bum". I hope they are right. Not sure myself why you are not too enamoured with the possibility that he may be a disruptive influence.Can't see this comment being made by anyone on here when the name Sean Thornton crops up? By all accounts he is a very difficult player to manage, thats why he fell from grace at other clubs. Would you have him back? I think the answer to that is yes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2010 18:20:51 GMT 1
I'm content with signings to date and I'm certainly not getting caught up in the hysteria displayed by certain posters who will only be pleased with us breaking our transfer record - get real!
Ultimately though we won't be able to judge until someway into the season and there are a lot more variables to throw into the equation than just the half a dozen or so summer signings made by a manager.
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Jul 17, 2010 21:30:04 GMT 1
I'm content with signings to date and I'm certainly not getting caught up in the hysteria displayed by certain posters who will only be pleased with us breaking our transfer record - get real! Ultimately though we won't be able to judge until someway into the season and there are a lot more variables to throw into the equation than just the half a dozen or so summer signings made by a manager. For me Ant, the ‘hysteria’ isn’t in the pointing out that these last two signings are desperately dull and likely equally useless, but in the reaction to that proposition being advanced! And as for judging midway into the season, the depths of the ineptitude of last summer's transfer window dealings, were quite apparent to me in the stand at D+R. Up the Town!
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Post by creature on Jul 17, 2010 21:40:05 GMT 1
The most important signing was the manager. There are a lot of players about of similar abilities, having a manager that will get the best out of them is the major factor
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Jul 17, 2010 21:41:31 GMT 1
The most important signing was the manager. There are a lot of players about of similar abilities, having a manager that will get the best out of them is the major factor Yes, let's hope that is correct!
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Post by monkee on Jul 17, 2010 22:02:16 GMT 1
The most important signing was the manager. There are a lot of players about of similar abilities, having a manager that will get the best out of them is the major factor Yes, let's hope that is correct! oh come on chap, if you have been watching football as long as you say you have, you will remember what he did here, what he did at wolves and what he has more recently done at Hereford. He's vastly experienced, has a proven track record and is back where he started which should provide enough motivation for a decent swan song. Have a little trust, a little faith and Calm the **** down, everything will be alright.
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Jul 17, 2010 22:04:11 GMT 1
Yes, let's hope that is correct! Calm the **** down, everything will be alright. Am trying !!! :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2010 22:18:55 GMT 1
I'm content with signings to date and I'm certainly not getting caught up in the hysteria displayed by certain posters who will only be pleased with us breaking our transfer record - get real! Ultimately though we won't be able to judge until someway into the season and there are a lot more variables to throw into the equation than just the half a dozen or so summer signings made by a manager. For me Ant, the ‘hysteria’ isn’t in the pointing out that these last two signings are desperately dull and likely equally useless, but in the reaction to that proposition being advanced! And as for judging midway into the season, the depths of the ineptitude of last summer's transfer window dealings, were quite apparent to me in the stand at D+R. Up the Town! The only significant miscreant of last season's transfer dealings at Dagenham was Holden, as all the goals in the first half came from his wing. Bizarrely Coughlan was taken off at half time, though. No blame could be attached to Elder or Robinson because they had no service. Even though Elder had no service he was replaced by Riza who promptly got injured. Also equally bizarrely it was Elder and McIntyre(playing full back) who carried the can for this defeat and were dropped whereas neither had been significantly at fault.
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Post by PeterBroadbent on Jul 17, 2010 22:27:13 GMT 1
Yes, not sure why we started out 4-3-3 either!
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Post by monkee on Jul 17, 2010 22:49:01 GMT 1
Calm the **** down, everything will be alright. Am trying !!! :-) I love you really, just give them a chance, believe turner can change players you dont like the look of and leave the criticizm until its earned. i think the way you say things makes your observations sound worse tbh, I would have liked us to sign someone who had scored more than harrold, but calling him a dud or whatever makes it sound so muh worse. it is possible that harrolds best form is to come, it does happen, maybe he hasnt had the right manager. I used to work in sales and had lots of different managers, all doing the same job, managing the same people. the best could get good performances out of people who had never showed it before, confidence and the old positive mental attitude are hugely influencial. i think Mr Turner knows how to get that, and will be looking for players he feels can be influenced by him in that way, so their previous record may not be the best indicator.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2010 23:23:10 GMT 1
Link------> TEXT TO DISPLAY Link------> TEXT TO DISPLAY [quote author=fclarke board=general thread=67583 post=836026 time=1279398604 And as for judging midway into the season, the depths of the ineptitude of last summer's transfer window dealings, were quite apparent to me in the stand at D+R. Up the Town! [/quote] I bet you thought the same in 1993 when we were 6-1 down at Deepdale three games in...
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Post by shrewd67 on Jul 17, 2010 23:29:11 GMT 1
Link------> TEXT TO DISPLAY Link------> TEXT TO DISPLAY [quote author=fclarke board=general thread=67583 post=836026 time=1279398604 And as for judging midway into the season, the depths of the ineptitude of last summer's transfer window dealings, were quite apparent to me in the stand at D+R. Up the Town! I bet you thought the same in 1993 when we were 6-1 down at Deepdale three games in...[/quote] When things are going badly I often recall that match and how we went on to win the title.
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Post by Shrewed on Jul 18, 2010 10:56:14 GMT 1
Less than 3 weeks to go and is the squad stronger than last season, in my opinion, if it is its marginal.
We currently lack a second centre back, yes we have defenders who can play there but where it is not their normal or preferred position.
We still lack a play maker and a goal scorer someone who is going to get 15+ goals.
Unlike many on here I am quite happy sticking with Neal in goal it is the one position where there seems an abundance of players available for loan should Neal get injured or lose form. The other advantage is it allows Duyan the opportunity to play reserve football. Otherwise what does a 3rd keeper do warm the bench for reserve matches.
On this board there are a lot of ifs and buts comments but being realistic at the moment we can only judge players on their reputations or with their performances last season.
If Turner improves them seems to be asking too much in many instances.
At this stage of pre-season there is hope that we will do better than season and that we see entertaining football at the Meadow, personally I still do not see us strong enough to make the playoffs but I hope we do.
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Post by monkee on Jul 18, 2010 12:08:57 GMT 1
Less than 3 weeks to go and is the squad stronger than last season, in my opinion, if it is its marginal. We currently lack a second centre back, yes we have defenders who can play there but where it is not their normal or preferred position. We still lack a play maker and a goal scorer someone who is going to get 15+ goals. Unlike many on here I am quite happy sticking with Neal in goal it is the one position where there seems an abundance of players available for loan should Neal get injured or lose form. The other advantage is it allows Duyan the opportunity to play reserve football. Otherwise what does a 3rd keeper do warm the bench for reserve matches. On this board there are a lot of ifs and buts comments but being realistic at the moment we can only judge players on their reputations or with their performances last season. If Turner improves them seems to be asking too much in many instances. At this stage of pre-season there is hope that we will do better than season and that we see entertaining football at the Meadow, personally I still do not see us strong enough to make the playoffs but I hope we do. agree with you about neal, he deserves a chance to do the job he came here for. with the playmeker, i wonder if ben vdb or mr Disley would be able to fill that role. Disley had a stop start season but did look able to slide rule a pass through a defence and bvdb looks like he could be creative. dont disagree with you about improving certain players , Lewis neal in particular, but even he showed(albeit rarely) that he can play a bit. he is one i hope for rather than have faith in though. Looking at our position last season, we werent that far from the play-offs, a couple of players short imo. but we have had some leave and some arrive so its difficult to tell. Mr Turner has said he wants 2 or 3 more players and i think that if they are the right ones, the jigsaw could be complete. if it were another manager, i would be in the hope bracket, but as its Mr Turner i have more faith.
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