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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 30, 2010 9:20:14 GMT 1
How is a banner going to be jeopadising our chances of getting a result at the weekend? Just don’t understand how some folk think at times. About Town v Saints game at the Meadow, those banners not helping Saints out that night. Let’s not forget the reason those banners were at the Meadow that night is because Saints were not doing well, that’s why they wanted the manager out. Because they were not playing well, because they were not winning games. And maybe that’s why they lost that night against Town…cos they weren't very good at that time, not because of some banners…
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Post by africanshrew on Mar 30, 2010 9:32:48 GMT 1
I take your point Stuttgarter, but enviornment and atmosphere (positive and negative) do impact on football results, otherwise why do most teams do better at home than away? I don't think the banners were the reason Southampton lost but the negative reaction from fans may not have helped. Your right, a banner won't make us lose on saturday - but a negative atmposphere combined with low player confidence may not help. I'd like to think a balance will be struck between making a point to Simpson and and backing a team which needs all the help it can get, but that's down to each individual I guess.
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Post by shrewder on Mar 30, 2010 9:47:49 GMT 1
Till its a mathamatical impossibility to get into the playoffs, protests should wait till then.
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Post by Fingers on Mar 30, 2010 10:00:41 GMT 1
Think there will be a good away turnout, away support is usually more supportive than home support.
When the away crowd starts getting on your back (Barnet for Peters) then you know you are in trouble.
Support the whole set up and voice any issues at the end. The fans shot on Saturday who were booing and chanting negative songs really need to take a look at themselves and think are they helping the cause?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 30, 2010 10:08:47 GMT 1
I know a few hardey travelers that are not even bothering to go this weekend now so fed up are they....
Im one of them... will give my self a cost saving weekend (not cheap to get there, have some grub and get in and come home) off... I frankely I wont miss it at the moment....
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Post by Jonah on Mar 30, 2010 10:28:55 GMT 1
I know a few hardey travelers that are not even bothering to go this weekend now so fed up are they.... Im one of them... will give my self a cost saving weekend (not cheap to get there, have some grub and get in and come home) off... I frankely I wont miss it at the moment.... Yes you will Personally think the protest should be left until it is mathematically impossible to make the play offs. Also think some want to stand back ,grow up and accept the critism for some pathetic booing and chanting that has dogged us for most of the season. Believe it or not it does have a negative effect on confidence regardless of wether the players are good enough or not. As the old saying goes 'you shouldnt give it if you cant take it'
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Post by stfcfan87 on Mar 30, 2010 11:10:03 GMT 1
I won't be protesting, but that's because I'm going away for the weekend as a whole, I've never been to Torquay before and will be watching the match but I don't intend to let another inept football display spoil my whole weekend!
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Post by Fingers on Mar 30, 2010 11:26:07 GMT 1
I won't be protesting, but that's because I'm going away for the weekend as a whole, I've never been to Torquay before and will be watching the match but I don't intend to let another inept football display spoil my whole weekend! Good work and Torquay is a great place.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 30, 2010 12:35:52 GMT 1
I know a few hardey travelers that are not even bothering to go this weekend now so fed up are they.... Im one of them... will give my self a cost saving weekend (not cheap to get there, have some grub and get in and come home) off... I frankely I wont miss it at the moment.... Yes you will Seriously, I wont... But not for the reasons you would think, I have a 4 month old daugher and have not been around very much while traning for the London marathon.... The thought of wasteing another weekend watching the town is so low down my prioritys at the moment its actually a relief. If they win I will be pleased as punch and it would still make my Saturday mind... despite all the neagitiveness and booing, I would bloody love us to nick the playoffs again, we still just about have the potential for a last day drama like last season at Daggers... Will be back for county, but the only way I would have gone to Torquay is to play for the ASFC and as im injured I cant even do that Im seriously looking forward to a week off from it all after what has been a gruling season home and away to be honest.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Mar 30, 2010 14:27:15 GMT 1
Not going to personally attack anyone whose deciding to take a banner, but if as is looking likely Simpson is still in charge on Saturday, I think protests would be best saved for the end of the match/last 5 minutes if things have gone terribly.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Mar 30, 2010 17:41:53 GMT 1
I don't know what a banner will achieve tbh. The Chairman is well aware of the mood of a large proportion of fans at present.
Witnessing the reaction on Saturday and reading posts off here backed up of course with his and the boards feelings will no doubt paint a very candid picture for him.
Thing is our Chairman for whatever reason has decided to retain the Manager for the moment at least, yet our fans still feel the need to produce a banner or banners ultimately seeking his head.
So to those planning on displaying a banner just what good do you think it will do ?
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Post by jamo on Mar 30, 2010 19:52:36 GMT 1
I shall be protesting....by not going.
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Post by markglasgow on Mar 30, 2010 23:29:21 GMT 1
Think a lot of the fans travelling will be going fearing the worst. It's true that our away support have a different mentality but can be pretty vicious when miffed as those at Macc last season will testify.
Might not help that many going will be enjoying the Babbacombe hospitality and those who have travelled down on the Friday could be pretty rough. An early Torquay goal would be disasterous and might set the mood early on....
Would bite your hand off for ship steadying 0-0 just now!
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Post by scooter on Mar 31, 2010 0:55:05 GMT 1
Would bite your hand off for ship steadying 0-0 just now! I at least want to see a proper goal, not a pretend one but I would probably take a 1-1 or 2-2 now, as I think the play-offs have gone anyway
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Post by froggy on Mar 31, 2010 7:52:47 GMT 1
I've never got these protests and all of this anger that's been ventilated up. Why should we sack Simmo? We're not fighting for survival in the league, we're still 5 points of the play-offs. There seems to be this "superior to every other club" attitude from a majority of our fans with us thinking we're a top team in the league and shoudl be promoted. The way I see it, is both times of us getting to Wembley has been very lucky. We get into the play-offs and lose loads of games and play crap, however, last game of the season, we need to win it to finish 7th so we do. Then we play s**t at home in the first leg and have an amazing game away to get to Wembley. We get to Wembley and then we're shown why we're still a league 2 club.
I can understand people being angry about the players playing poorly, but how the hell is you boo'ing and applauding the opposition and making negative banners going to motivate them? Its crazy, how would you react if you had a bad month at work and kept making mistakes and you had a bunch of people mocking you and saying they want you out?
I am fully backing Simpson, I expect to finish 10th minimum this season. I will only stop backing him if after the summer transfer period is over, he hasn't signed, two solid defenders, a creative midfielder and a pacey winger and a goal-scorer to go along with Hibbert.
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Post by Elvito on Mar 31, 2010 8:50:06 GMT 1
............ call yourself a supporter?? Well said
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Post by Riversevern on Mar 31, 2010 12:31:16 GMT 1
I dont agree Paul Simpson should be in charge but protesting should wait until after the game on Monday.
If the players are affected by this then it can only work in Torquays favour, time to get behind the team.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2010 12:44:24 GMT 1
I hope anyone who is in the away end will support the side throughout the match unless we're at a point when there is little chance of winning.
That's the way it's been for the vast majority of matches this season and I fully expect that will be the way it is on Saturday too.
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Post by Jonah on Mar 31, 2010 12:49:54 GMT 1
I shall be protesting....by not going. I am not going either Jamo but thats nothing to do with a protest. I will be abroad by a pool with a very cold beer listening on the internet with my fingers crossed u.
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Post by jamo on Mar 31, 2010 12:57:35 GMT 1
I hope anyone who is in the away end will support the side throughout the match unless we're at a point when there is little chance of winning. That's the way it's been for the vast majority of matches this season and I fully expect that will be the way it is on Saturday too. I take that point but i also believe that people who attend matches have the right to take direct action in a form of protest if they are deeply unhappy with what has gone before and what they see before them. A match day protest is in many ways the most effective way of getting your views across rather than the more sanitised and controlled route of say ` ask the club` or by sending an e-mail that will go unanswered or replied to in such a way as to not address the content raised. These are different times for the club ant, supporters have been unhappy with performance and style many times in the past and have expressed their views accordingly but i cannot remember a time when it has become so personal between all sections of the club and it's supporters- Simpson's ignorant and ill advised comments post match last week being a prime example. I honesly believe that if someone wants to make a protest they they are entitled to do so without being judged and critiscised by others who, according to their commens on this thread- consider themselves `proper` fans and therefore just a little bit better and more worthy than others
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2010 13:05:20 GMT 1
Yes, they are of course entitled to do that Alan, I do not disagree.
A match day protest, for those who feel it is needed, is more likely to be more effective. Would you agree it doesn't need to be during the match though?
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Post by samtheshrew on Mar 31, 2010 13:07:44 GMT 1
Can I just point out, what NewportShrew is doing is not even a protest.
He has made a banner, pointing out that our support is far from diabolical, as that comment made by PS really annoyed him on Saturday.
He is not demanding a change in manager, he is not seeking PS head on a plate, he is merely making the point that he was far from happy with the comments in the post match interview.
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Post by jamo on Mar 31, 2010 13:26:46 GMT 1
Yes, they are of course entitled to do that Alan, I do not disagree. A match day protest, for those who feel it is needed, is more likely to be more effective. Would you agree it doesn't need to be during the match though? Ideally of course it would not be during the match but before and afterwards would be much more likely to be stopped by stewards and officials
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Post by stfcfan87 on Mar 31, 2010 13:33:31 GMT 1
of course the other point is that the proest is only effective if its seen, whereas before or after the match simpson, directors and the players can be in the changing rooms
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Post by shrew4life on Mar 31, 2010 14:27:09 GMT 1
how would you react if you had a bad month at work and kept making mistakes and you had a bunch of people mocking you and saying they want you out? I really don't get that argument because it makes no sense. Football is a well payed entertainment business and as a result spectators have to pay more so they expect better. After all they fund the club and pay the wages etc. The players have to entertain the crowd. That's a bit different to an every day job. You don't go to work to entertain, you go to work to work. And if I was under performing for a month I would expect to get shouted at by the person that pays my wages and as a result I would dramatically up my game to make sure I keep the job. That is exactly what the players and manager should be doing. The crowd boo and make sure that the manager and players know that we are not impressed and as a result MUST improve.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Mar 31, 2010 16:25:26 GMT 1
I take that point but i also believe that people who attend matches have the right to take direct action in a form of protest if they are deeply unhappy with what has gone before and what they see before them. Agreed as long as it is acceptable behaviour, trouble is there are some amongst us who believe they have a devine right to call the Manager and his wife all the names on Allahs earth. Simpson's ignorant and ill advised comments post match last week being a prime example. Mr Simpson called fans diabolical, and he had a fair point Alan some of our fans are ! In my opinion I agree he should not have said it but I truly believe it was aimed at those crass individuals who vomit bilge in his direction week in week out. who, according to their commens on this thread- consider themselves `proper` fans and therefore just a little bit better and more worthy than others I don't see it that way at all, each is equal we (as fans) just have different views on this topic thats all. Again those that wish to protest can and will do so, I am still waiting for someone to tell me what it will achieve.
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Mar 31, 2010 17:21:18 GMT 1
for what it's worth is it me or was Simpsons use of the word 'diabolical' meaning the content of the chants etc or was it actually describing the supporters - listening back to it I think it's the former but I stand to be corrected.
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Post by scooter on Mar 31, 2010 17:24:02 GMT 1
how would you react if you had a bad month at work and kept making mistakes and you had a bunch of people mocking you and saying they want you out? I really don't get that argument because it makes no sense. football is a well payed entertainment business and as a result spectators have to pay more so they expect better. After all they fund the club and pay the wages etc. The players have to entertain the crowd. That's a bit different to an every day job. You don't go to work to entertain, you go to work to work. And if I was under performing for a month I would expect to get shouted at by the person that pays my wages and as a result I would dramatically up my game to make sure I keep the job. That is exactly what the players and manager should be doing. The crowd boo and make sure that the manager and players know that we are not impressed and as a result MUST improve. I don't see the logic in your argument, unless you are going to arrange matches with lots of goals and no losers. Football is sport, not entertainment. Teams are trying to win, and are also trying to stop their opponents playing well, so entertainment can never be guaranteed Wasn't it Alan Durban who said go to the circus if you want entertainment ?
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Post by shrew4life on Mar 31, 2010 18:05:36 GMT 1
I really don't get that argument because it makes no sense. football is a well payed entertainment business and as a result spectators have to pay more so they expect better. After all they fund the club and pay the wages etc. The players have to entertain the crowd. That's a bit different to an every day job. You don't go to work to entertain, you go to work to work. And if I was under performing for a month I would expect to get shouted at by the person that pays my wages and as a result I would dramatically up my game to make sure I keep the job. That is exactly what the players and manager should be doing. The crowd boo and make sure that the manager and players know that we are not impressed and as a result MUST improve. I don't see the logic in your argument, unless you are going to arrange matches with lots of goals and no losers. football is sport, not entertainment. Teams are trying to win, and are also trying to stop their opponents playing well, so entertainment can never be guaranteed Wasn't it Alan Durban who said go to the circus if you want entertainment ? Yes it is obviously a sport but it has now turned into an entertainment industry. I know you don't always get that in the lower leagues but that's why more fans are attending and thus when we play poorly attendances drop because people are bored. The main thing though that annoys fans is lack of effort which can not be forgiven.
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 31, 2010 18:08:15 GMT 1
Very much doubt RW & KS will be in Tourquay and there the only directors that matter
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