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Post by stfcfan87 on Mar 30, 2010 12:12:05 GMT 1
Can't believe anyone can seriously say Simpson's had limited resources. Meanwhile Bournemouth (transfer embargo all season), Dagenham, Accrington, Morecombe and Burton are doing similar if not better than us.
And keeping him because you can't think of a better replacement, that's no reason. I doubt arsenal fans immediately thought of arsene wenger back in 1995, or rochdale fans thought of keith hill, or bournemouth fan's thought of eddie howe etc etc.
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Post by ShrewsburySTFC on Mar 30, 2010 13:39:28 GMT 1
The second half against Bournemouth we were brilliant, and the second half against Hereford. Performances like that show a glimour of hope.
Don't get me wrong, I feel the club should be in a higher position, and I'm all for a new manager if we a garuanteed a better future and promotion etc etc. I just vote to stick for now and not to push the club even futher back unless were a sure it's for definate we will move forward. Simpson has proven to take us to the play-offs.
I just don't want rash decisions made that won't benefit us like the Elder situation. (I don't know who's fault that was and I'm sure not many people on here are 100%).
About the limited funds, not getting O'Flynn and Benson isn't Simpsons fault and he didn't want to make another panic buy. He was probably confident on getting either of those two which with that amount of money, most people would be. Unless we wanted another 2 Elder's on the bench, he didn't know who else to go for that would come here. Again, this is all my assumptions.
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Post by Liam on Mar 31, 2010 14:53:40 GMT 1
As I type this, exactly 100 people have voted, with 60 in favour of an instant sacking and 40 split between the other three options.
To be honest, although I tried to make this poll as transparent and unloaded as possible, there's still a fair degree of interpretation there. Those figures could now be read as a 60/40 split, but the "wait until it's mathematically impossible" crowd are hardly giving him unconditional support either, as it's only a matter of time until it is.
The only argument I don't understand is give him until the end of the season, although several people have said this. Quite simply, what's the point? Backing him is a fair enough approach and sacking him is also a justifiable opinion. Giving him a last chance to redeem himself before it's mathematically impossible also makes sense.
However, waiting until the end of the season even past the point where the season is mathematically over and then sacking him in the summer seems rather strange. Managers aren't like players in that they're more likely to simply have their contracts expire and therefore switch clubs in the close season. I don't see any reason to suppose why there'll be more good managers looking for a job in the summer (although Jim Gannon is one notable exception, it's true).
It will also mean that any new manager won't be able to look over the squad as carefully and will thus have more trouble drawing up a sensible retained list.
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Post by prioryshrew on Mar 31, 2010 15:03:20 GMT 1
As I type this, exactly 100 people have voted, with 60 in favour of an instant sacking and 40 split between the other three options. To be honest, although I tried to make this poll as transparent and unloaded as possible, there's still a fair degree of interpretation there. Those figures could now be read as a 60/40 split, but the "wait until it's mathematically impossible" crowd are hardly giving him unconditional support either, as it's only a matter of time until it is. The only argument I don't understand is give him until the end of the season, although several people have said this. Quite simply, what's the point? Backing him is a fair enough approach and sacking him is also a justifiable opinion. Giving him a last chance to redeem himself before it's mathematically impossible also makes sense. However, waiting until the end of the season even past the point where the season is mathematically over and then sacking him in the summer seems rather strange. Managers aren't like players in that they're more likely to simply have their contracts expire and therefore switch clubs in the close season. I don't see any reason to suppose why there'll be more good managers looking for a job in the summer (although Jim Gannon is one notable exception, it's true). It will also mean that any new manager won't be able to look over the squad as carefully and will thus have more trouble drawing up a sensible retained list. I have asked that question of those wanting to wait to the end year but they seem to be very reticient to answer. The question of the retained list is the key point in my view. If the new manager isn't apointed till after the retained list has been published he is starting off with one arm tied behind his back.
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Post by ShrewsburySTFC on Mar 31, 2010 15:15:45 GMT 1
Also take in to consideration that B&A is loaded with people checking if Simpson has been sacked yet, therefor will probably be wanting him out.
Again, not giving a fair view of opinion of all Shrewsbury fans. I'm not complaining about the poll as that's all that can be done, But just bare that in mind.
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Post by Liam on Mar 31, 2010 15:19:58 GMT 1
I think that's a fair comment, tbh, Craig - although bear in mind that I'm pretty sure they have to be logged in as members to vote - but it's hard to see how else I could have done it.
Don't worry though, I'm certainly aware this is just a crude straw poll and it was done mainly for intrest's sake - I'm not intending or expecting it to be causing uproar at Prostar HQ.
I would still like to know what the point in waiting until the summer to sack Simmo is though!
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Post by stfcfan87 on Mar 31, 2010 15:36:58 GMT 1
I echo the point about the retained list.
If Simpson isn't going to be the manager next season and then retains some of our out of contract players, that's going to tie up a large portion of any new manager's budget.
If he releases them all, that means some of our rivals will take them, and we'll have to build an entirely new squad
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Post by welshdan on Mar 31, 2010 15:48:15 GMT 1
If we muddle along for the next few weeks picking up the odd point here or there its likely that we are going to still be mathematically possible of reaching the playoffs until Mid Late April. (Obviously if the current run continues it could be a lot earlier ) Then we would have to sack Simpson and get applications in Interview and choose a New Manager. Hopefully, and based on previous attempts, i would like this to be a considered and not rushed process meaning by the time a new manager is appointed ther2 could be only 1 or 2 games left so not exaclty much time to assess the squad. As others have said there is very limited number of players people want to retain and out of those chosen few there maybe some who decide its time to move on anyway. Personally dont think there is going to be much difference between 'Mathematically Impossible' and 'End of Season'.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2010 19:07:10 GMT 1
Liam - I voted for wait til the end of the season.
I want to see see where we finish and to then decide whether a new manager will be a good idea or not.
I don't want to make the rushed appointment that culminated in Paul Simpson being given a 3 year contract in 2008 solely on the basis of one excellent season with Carlisle.
The summer will see a much wider pool of potential candidates. As Roland himself knows.
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