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Post by Liam on Mar 29, 2010 14:37:14 GMT 1
I don't necessarily intend this thread to be another debate on Simpson (although it will probably turn into one!), but I am interested to find out exactly what proportion of supporters on here fall into whichever camp.
For obvious reasons, the Simpson knockers (myself included) have been much more vocal in the last week or so, and it may be that actually PS has a number of supportes who are just quietly keeping their heads down at the moment and appear less vocal.
This is their chance to register their support without necessarily being drawn into an argument.
Not me, however - I've voted for he should be gone now.
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Post by Liam on Mar 29, 2010 14:39:09 GMT 1
By the way, option 2 should obviously read 'until it is mathematically impossible for us to reach the play-offs.' If any of the mods could edit that to fit, that'd be much appreciated.
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Post by Optimistic Shrew on Mar 29, 2010 14:44:55 GMT 1
Out now.
Doesn't deserve to the rest of the season, he will never get us to the play offs again under him so 'sack him until play offs are mathematically impossible is bit pointless. With a new manager we will still have a chance and I'm confident we can go on a good run and get the play offs (preferably under Gary Johnson)
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Mar 29, 2010 14:51:42 GMT 1
Out NOW!
God knows what mess he will create in the Summer with money to spend.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Mar 29, 2010 14:56:12 GMT 1
I've gone for sacked now. I just don't see where we're going at the moment. We're conceeding goals and we're not scoring. Our midfield doesn't create anything and we don't look organised or like we've got a plan. Worse still our players have lost confidence and don't look like they know what's going on either.
And then the manager has shown no ability to change things or motivate or produce tactics to combat the opposition and has now lost the fans.
I don't see that we're building for next season as half the squad won't be here either.
We're not even playing the youngsters, so there is absolutely nothing to be optimistic about.
Facts are that before we play again, accrington could win their game in hand and put us down to 12th, and we could find ourselves 7 points behind the playoffs as Northampton play friday night.
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Post by len on Mar 29, 2010 14:59:03 GMT 1
He should be gone by now. Or the board should release a statement telling us about the situation.
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Post by davethegreat on Mar 29, 2010 15:04:41 GMT 1
he should be gone
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Post by Liam on Mar 29, 2010 15:08:22 GMT 1
I'd agree with this, to be honest.
I think you're being rather optimistic to consider Gary Johnson (although there's no harm in asking, I suppose), but the fact is that the sooner the rebuilding exercise starts, the more likely we are to e in decent shape next season.
Waiting until it is mathematically impossible (as some have suggested), is surely only delaying the inevitable.
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Post by africanshrew on Mar 29, 2010 15:20:34 GMT 1
When the maths make play-offs impossible or at least stupidly unlikely. Next weekend should decide things: 6 points - a miracle/back in the race... 4 points - outside chance/prelonging the agony... 3 points - v slim chance of play-offs but PS may hang on... 2 points - worst case scenario... 0/1 - surely they'd have to...
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Post by salopianed on Mar 29, 2010 15:45:35 GMT 1
Remember, Simmo's contract extension could be costly to both Shrewsbury's finances and Roland's reputation.
I think the Chairman will let this weekend's double header decide Simmo's fate for itself. By waiting another week, it might help the club in the long-term.
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Post by shrewder on Mar 29, 2010 16:32:23 GMT 1
I am always the voice of moderation but this time I think he should go now.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Mar 29, 2010 16:56:44 GMT 1
76.6% say Simpson out, are you reading Roland?
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Post by Tux on Mar 29, 2010 19:14:31 GMT 1
Has to go.
I've defended him all season but enough is enough. Its abundantly clear that he has lost the dressing room and his attitude towards the fans is a disgrace. Need to get someone else in while we can still salvage something from this season.
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Post by prioryshrew on Mar 29, 2010 23:09:24 GMT 1
The gradually loss of support for Simpson, is now becoming very rapid, back in December if I remember correctly it was about 50% of B & A voters who want him out, now there is only 10% of posters who want him around after the end of the season.
I know its a small sample of the clubs supporters but it does provide a snapshot of how the fans feel.
Can a manager survive with only 10% support?
Should a Chairman back a manager with so little support?
I guess time will tell!!
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Post by R6ix on Mar 29, 2010 23:56:41 GMT 1
ill go for end of season, he might pull us out of the mire, get us into the playoffs and up? it could happen, we have nowt to lose?a new man may come in and be worse than what we have? if every team that lost 4 games sacked the manager it would be like musical chairs,but not sure he can be trusted to spend the clubs money wisely,so dubious about that side of the bargin?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2010 23:59:27 GMT 1
The gradually loss of support for Simpson, is now becoming very rapid, back in December if I remember correctly it was about 50% of B & A voters who want him out, now there is only 10% of posters who want him around after the end of the season. I know its a small sample of the clubs supporters but it does provide a snapshot of how the fans feel. Can a manager survive with only 10% support? Should a Chairman back a manager with so little support? I guess time will tell!! I voted keep him until the end of the season. That is until the end of the season at least. So don't skew your stats. 66.6% want him sacked. That is a significant enough figure.
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Post by champagneprince on Mar 30, 2010 0:11:39 GMT 1
Until it's mathematically impossible.
I'm resigned to the fact now that we're not even going to make the play offs. 5 points doesn't seem a lot, but we have 5 teams ahead of us and they're not all going to slip up, even if we do go on a bit of a run.
I wouldn't be bothered if he went now, but if he did go we still aren't going up anyway, therefore i'd rather Roland spent the time looking for the right man.
From a personal point of view the football under Simmo is just boring and unwatchable at times. Even if by some miracle we did manage to get promoted i'm not sure I could sit through another season of watching his kind of football (I know I would, but it'd be out of loyalty rather than because I enjoy it)
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Post by cicero on Mar 30, 2010 1:23:42 GMT 1
If we accept, as most do, that we are not going up, why not install someone who can then weigh up the ineptitude of the squad and be ready for the new season. Or make David Hughes caretaker, it would find out if he was a possible choice, and the kids would have a chance. In Holden's absence, we witnessed two pleasing and very promising performances from young Taylor, who was bombed initially for Langmead at Macc, possibly excusable, but then Murray, crazy. It is not just the phenomenal waste of a massive budget, but there appears no direction, and the squad is worse than two years ago.
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Post by El Presidente on Mar 30, 2010 3:08:36 GMT 1
The change should have been made back in Jan, which is when I originally said to give him anyhow. What would sacking him achieve now? It's doubtful squad moral would really pick up, although a fresh perspective may help....I don't know. I feel he should go now, but common sense says let him run the team in to the end of the season. If we do miraculously go up, I'd still be in favour of a change of management. I think simpo has had his chance, he's had ample opportunity to demonstrate his ability, and frankly its not been good enough. I'm voting with my head - keep him till the end of season break, but then he has to go. He's a caretaker manager now, until we get the next managerial appointment.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 30, 2010 8:20:13 GMT 1
People are still annoyed and that is reflected in the result.
I don't see any point changing the manager now.
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Post by mrbunny on Mar 30, 2010 8:26:06 GMT 1
If we accept, as most do, that we are not going up, why not install someone who can then weigh up the ineptitude of the squad and be ready for the new season. Or make David Hughes caretaker, it would find out if he was a possible choice, and the kids would have a chance. In Holden's absence, we witnessed two pleasing and very promising performances from young Taylor, who was bombed initially for Langmead at Macc, possibly excusable, but then Murray, crazy. It is not just the phenomenal waste of a massive budget, but there appears no direction, and the squad is worse than two years ago. I agree with this. Why not get rid now to let the new man see if he wants to keep any of the players who are out of contract.I would like SCS to be here next season but i presume his contract is up,likewise Hibbert is out of contract and i want him to stay but i doubt he will be staying if Simmo stays.
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Post by hello on Mar 30, 2010 8:57:36 GMT 1
If we accept, as most do, that we are not going up, why not install someone who can then weigh up the ineptitude of the squad and be ready for the new season. Or make David Hughes caretaker, it would find out if he was a possible choice, and the kids would have a chance. In Holden's absence, we witnessed two pleasing and very promising performances from young Taylor, who was bombed initially for Langmead at Macc, possibly excusable, but then Murray, crazy. It is not just the phenomenal waste of a massive budget, but there appears no direction, and the squad is worse than two years ago. I agree with this. Why not get rid now to let the new man see if he wants to keep any of the players who are out of contract.I would like SCS to be here next season but i presume his contract is up,likewise Hibbert is out of contract and i want him to stay but i doubt he will be staying if Simmo stays. This is also my opinion. I think the main reason to get rid now is because we've got nothing to lose. With Simpson in charge we aren't going to get anywhere near the playoffs and our season will just peter-out, finishing mid table and with little optimism amongst the supporters for the forthcoming season. Also, season ticket sales will no doubt be affected by this. I think this is when Roland and co. will finally get rid. Personally, I feel this would be too late. If we change it now and make a late charge for the playoffs the new guy would have time to assess the crop of out-of-contract and be able to play out the last 8 games under no pressure. Fans have pretty much accepted we're not going to make the playoffs, so using the excuse of Simpson's players can be used. If we DO make the playoffs (highly unlikely I know) then the new appointment will be seen as a masterstroke and optimism will therefore be high amongst the supporters, and season ticket sales will be boosted. Unless the appointment is made now, the new guy would have little or no opportunities to make his decision on the out-of contract players. I therefore feel that we'd lose the likes of Hibbert and Sherriff - whom I think are both worthy of another season at least. So Roland.....Please do the right thing and sort this mess out now, before it's too late.
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Post by Liam on Mar 30, 2010 10:38:27 GMT 1
My sentiments exactly.
I'd also be worried than an external appointment coming in in the close season might decide not to sign any of our promising youth players either out of ignorance of their form (he'd only have Dave Hughes's word to go on) or from wanting to spend the entire budget bringing his own players in.
This and, as you say, the likes of SCS and Hibbert is why it would be good for our next manager to assess the squad.
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Post by ShrewsburySTFC on Mar 30, 2010 10:48:49 GMT 1
76.6% say Simpson out, are you reading Roland? Ha! 76% of all the 87 people that voted (well now it's down to 63%). I'm sorry but Roland should feel no pressure that 55 people want him out. B & A doesn't reflect on what the majority of Shrewsbury supporters feel. People are being too over dramatic and I'm sure the club don't care about what 55 people on a messageboard think! I'm sure he's doing his calculations and doing what's best for the club. Get a grip and stop being petty. Clubs go through bad patches and people make mistakes. However costly it may be, getting someone new in now isn't going to make that much of a difference. EDIT: Sorry for picking on that quote, nothing personal as I know others stated the same thing grouping this figure as all supporters, yours was just the first quote!
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Post by Dan F on Mar 30, 2010 10:56:54 GMT 1
I love stats. You can make them show whatever you like. If that 10% figure a few posts above is accurate, then today we can proclaim that "50% more Town fans today back Simpson's long-term future at the club". Take whatever you want from polls like these, but like is said in the post above, don't go thinking it actually means anything - whilst some would argue it's a proportional poll like those we see in the media, I know from experience of being involved in how professional polls are carried out there's far more weighting than just asking everybody.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Mar 30, 2010 11:19:17 GMT 1
I'd be interested to know what exactly the 13 people who have voted for 'keep him and rebuild over the summer' have seen that has given them optimism to form that opinion.
And that would be his 3rd straight summer of rebuilding too.
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Post by hello on Mar 30, 2010 11:26:03 GMT 1
I'd be interested to know what exactly the 13 people who have voted for 'keep him and rebuild over the summer' have seen that has given them optimism to form that opinion. And that would be his 3rd straight summer of rebuilding too. I'd be interested to know who they are too. IMO I think a good few of them are supporters of other clubs (who are members of this board) voting 'for a laugh'. Not many of them have been forthcoming with their opinions as to WHY they've voted to stick with him.
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Post by ShrewsburySTFC on Mar 30, 2010 11:46:40 GMT 1
I voted to keep him. Mainly due to the fact of I can't think of a decent replacement at this time. I'm not expert of managers. The majority of people were happy with Simpson and now have changed their mind within 2 years. The same would happen again. We're only on a bad run of form and sometimes this season, we have played brilliantly so we know our potential. We don't know what happens behind the scenes and what funds are available for players and wages. People who claim to know are only guessing as information like that is confidential.
I'd prefer to play it safe than gamble at the moment. You can't make a snap decision over a month to change an opinion. We all know how topsy turvey this league is and bad results often happen, even to the best of teams.
I felt we were hard done by last year and it's just unlucky. This year I feel Simpson has only had limited resources due to the failure last season. We know he can get us to the play-off final, Maybe this season was a safe season and we'll go again next year. Again, this is only based on my guesses, which at the end of the day, most people base their opinion on assumptions. I could be wrong.
I didn't see many people complaining to sack Simmo and Roland after our wins at Bradford and Chesterfield, then after Bournemouth.
Fickle fans.
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Post by prioryshrew on Mar 30, 2010 12:04:54 GMT 1
I voted to keep him. Mainly due to the fact of I can't think of a decent replacement at this time. I'm not expert of managers. The majority of people were happy with Simpson and now have changed their mind within 2 years. The same would happen again. We're only on a bad run of form and sometimes this season, we have played brilliantly so we know our potential. We don't know what happens behind the scenes and what funds are available for players and wages. People who claim to know are only guessing as information like that is confidential. I'd prefer to play it safe than gamble at the moment. You can't make a snap decision over a month to change an opinion. We all know how topsy turvey this league is and bad results often happen, even to the best of teams. I felt we were hard done by last year and it's just unlucky. This year I feel Simpson has only had limited resources due to the failure last season. We know he can get us to the play-off final, Maybe this season was a safe season and we'll go again next year. Again, this is only based on my guesses, which at the end of the day, most people base their opinion on assumptions. I could be wrong. I didn't see many people complaining to sack Simmo and Roland after our wins at Bradford and Chesterfield, then after Bournemouth. Fickle fans. Craig, could you please tell me one game when we have played well for 90 minutes never mind being brilliant. Also limited resources the Board backed Simpson in trying to bring in Benson, then even after he'd spent £90K? on Elder they were still prepared to back him with £100k bid for O'Flynn I suspect 20 managers in this division would hardly describe that as limited resources, they'd be more likely to think they'd hit the lottery jackpot. It is not just 4 defeats that have led to the desire to see Simpson leave, it has as much to do with the style of play this season and the lack of direct on the playing side and that ignores Simpson PR own goals.
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Post by tlw1987 on Mar 30, 2010 12:10:29 GMT 1
Here's what I dont get. Relegation from the football league in 2003 surely a lot worse than the position we're in now yeah? At the end of March that year we were 4th from bottom with 40 points. 2 points away from relegation and we all know what happened. End of March now, we are 5 points off the play-offs in 11th place and a good run in the last 8 games can easily see us push back into the play-off places.
In that dreadful season in 2003 we only won 4 games since the turn of the new year and we went and lost all the last 8 games of the season, but I don't seem to remember turning on Ratcliffe so quickly. If i remember correctly, we stuck by him until we lost to Carlisle and we got confirmed relegated. Only then did the chanting start.
But then there is another question, if we got rid of Simmo (which we won't seeing that he has signed a 1 year extension and it would cost the board too much money) who replaces him? When Simpson was appointed a lot of people also wanted Steve Cotterill for the job, but now he's at Notts County on the verge of automatic promotion.
Most other fans in the country surely understand the frustration of our inconsistency this year and losing 4 games on the bounce without scoring. It really makes me angry that we got thrashed by the 2 bottom teams, and also went away to Aldershot and didn't have a shot on target. But surely calling for our manager's head when we are 5 points off the play-offs with 8 games to go, i think most fans around the country would find that mental?
We are in a far better position than most clubs in the country i.e. Pompey, Stockport, Chester (R.I.P.) so why are people saying we are in crisis?
Finally, maybe there are other things people haven't considered. Since Jamie Cureton and Benjamin Van den Broek joined the club, we seemed to have started to go down hill. I have heard a rumour that some of the players dont like Van den Broek, but what about Cureton? This is a wild shout but is there some unrest in the dressing room maybe? All this bad form seems to have started since these two arrived. Or is that just coincidence?
I voted to keep Simmo, we all need to keep the faith.
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