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Post by Ed on Feb 28, 2010 12:24:21 GMT 1
Thing is though, for every one person who thinks a stand "should" be singing there's another who thinks it "shouldn't". I see this as just like the anthem discussion the other day - you're trying to force something that comes naturally. From what is said elsewhere, people had started to gravitate to 18/19, which isn't that far off from the relative position of the singers at the Meadow. Surely it's better to consolidate and unite what's already happening than cause a split? What we need is two areas of the stadium to be signing. With 18/19 keeping up the great noise they're making and then to get the South Stand rocking as well. Nobody wants it to become a split atmosphere again, we just think it'll be better to have noise coming from two sets of home supporters. When Rochdale come in a couple of weeks they will probably outsing us, that's my honest opinion, and we need to change that for when teams come to the stadium. We have this fantastic stadium, we have some brilliant players and a great coaching team. Now, we just want to make it a good atmosphere. Just for the record, I don't believe in that "my stand's better than your stand" rubbish.
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Post by Ed on Feb 28, 2010 12:28:18 GMT 1
You clearly haven't met Mallet then It's just my opinion, behind the goal is where noise should be coming from. When I say that, I mean the whole stand. That isn't going to happen for a while yet, but if more and more people sing then we'll get close and closer to it. As I say, it's just my opinion. Ed, whilst I admire your ambition, if you think your going to eventually have the whole of the South Stand singing then I feel you may eventually be disapointed The sad facts are there are only 3 blocks who normally sing but in reality you could probably put all of the people who sing on a regular basis into one block Good luck to you but as I said above, you may want to change your attitude and not wish that other fans p*ss off Yeah, maybe I phrased that a bit wrong. When I said the whole of the South Stand, we were thinking blocks 9 & 10. This would be the middle of the goal and as we've seen from away fans, noise can be created better in the middle areas of the stand behind the goal.
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Feb 28, 2010 12:30:50 GMT 1
Out of order there Ed - I sit in block 11 and like some of those in block 10 choose to sit there because of the friendships I have made over the years at the old ground (& new stadium) etc over a period of 30+ years.
Absolutely no problems with the singing etc and the atmosphere it creates but I don't want to be distracted by some flag carrying 40something kissing his badge and banging on a drum who then proceeds to rant and rave in order to try and 'encourage'' others to follow his lead. Tim may think he is the pied piper of Prostar but I and others in blocks 9, 10,11 & 12 can assure you that he is most definitely not!
If 'The Ultras' choose to sit in block 9 then let the mildly embarassing antics of a man in his mid 40s(?) encourage the 'impressionable' youngsters & others who call themselves 'The Ultras' who are sat in that block, if The South Stand remainder want to follow suit and show their support by singing and cheering then I'm sure they will.
To say as you do that those or at least some of those who sit in surrounding blocks annoy you because they choose to watch the game and support and cheer what they are watching as opposed to becoming one of the pied pipers followers is out of order by a long way and it's comments like that that alienate the efforts trying to be made to 'up' the matchday experience.
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Post by Ed on Feb 28, 2010 12:33:54 GMT 1
Out of order there Ed - I sit in block 11 and like some of those in block 10 choose to sit there because of the friendships I have made over the years at the old ground (& new stadium) etc over a period of 30+ years. Absolutely no problems with the singing etc and the atmosphere it creates but I don't want to be distracted by some flag carrying 40something kissing his badge and banging on a drum who then proceeds to rant and rave in order to try and 'encourage'' others to follow his lead. Tim may think he is the pied piper of Prostar but I and others in blocks 9, 10,11 & 12 can assure you that he is most definitely not! If 'The Ultras' choose to sit in block 9 then let the mildly embarassing antics of a man in his mid 40s(?) encourage the 'impressionable' youngsters & others who call themselves 'The Ultras' who are sat in that block, if The South Stand remainder want to follow suit and show their support by singing and cheering then I'm sure they will. To say as you do that those or at least some of those who sit in surrounding blocks annoy you because they choose to watch the game and support and cheer what they are watching as opposed to becoming one of the pied pipers followers is out of order by a long way and it's comments like that that alienate the efforts trying to be made to 'up' the matchday experience. Apologies if I came over that way, Martin, that's not what I was trying to say at all. However, I must say that is a very good post and I agree with parts of what you are saying whilst having issues with other parts.
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Post by hooverfoxhat on Feb 28, 2010 12:41:18 GMT 1
For what it's worth Ed I thought The South Stand block 9 volume was very quiet yesterday, it was only when the tempo of the game lifted with Dunfields goal etc that any audible support was heard and without wanting to pour water on anybodys fire I thought that blocks 18/19 in The West Stand were far more audible throughout the game - I'd like to see what impression our flag carrying South Stand man would make if he were to spend a match over there 'doing his thing'.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2010 12:45:21 GMT 1
I was going to say the same as Duncan
personally I used to enjoy the block 9 atmosphere but tims antics are sometimes cringeworthy when you move to the front row so you don't have to see him and yet he still spends most of the game distracting you from the match eg dancing and waving and swearing in your face it's annoying
main reason we moved to west stand
yesterday I was pretty much force back into the west stand due to farcicle ticket ruling again sat at the front timmy in your face stewards more interested in bottle tops and half time pictures
Q would the stewards allow this in the east stand
simple answer = NO
one other point tim, yes singing happy birthday to someone, funny the first time cringeworthy by about the 5 th
oh and there he was attempting to start a chorus of south stand louder than the west not a lot willing to join in it seemed like the message had party got across not to sing that but hey noone bothered to tell the ringleader
the word shambles all round springs to mind as usual
stfc ultras
you are both lacking common sense again
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Post by Ed on Feb 28, 2010 12:52:42 GMT 1
For what it's worth Ed I thought The South Stand block 9 volume was very quiet yesterday, it was only when the tempo of the game lifted with Dunfields goal etc that any audible support was heard and without wanting to pour water on anybodys fire I thought that blocks 18/19 in The West Stand were far more audible throughout the game - I'd like to see what impression our flag carrying South Stand man would make if he were to spend a match over there 'doing his thing'. I'd agree with that. As I said, the South Stand isn't going to transform overnight. It's going to take time.
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Post by nicko on Feb 28, 2010 14:53:45 GMT 1
A lot of stuff has been written about the man on this thread, but do people really know him?
Have any of the detractors tried to engage him in conversation and let their feelings be known?
Why the cheap, snide remarks?
As already said he has a heart of gold and it's in the right place, his style may not suit all and his language will offend.
Next time I see him the Brooklands I'll let him know some peoples feelings.
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Post by Dan F on Feb 28, 2010 15:02:27 GMT 1
Last time we had this discussion Nick he posted so I'm sure he's quite capable of Reading it himself...
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Post by callum on Feb 28, 2010 15:09:39 GMT 1
People should get off the blokes case,its good to have characters like him in the crowd.I've never heard any swearing from him.keep it up timmy.
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Post by pughywasfree on Feb 28, 2010 16:28:29 GMT 1
its simple enough if you dont want to hear swaring move to the family stand
if you dont want to sing/make noise then dont sit in the singing blocks
if you dont want timmy by you then tell him if he doesnt no then how can he stop it??
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Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2010 16:36:22 GMT 1
you make it sound so easy
as i've already explained some fans did try to exchange south stand tickets for west stand tickets but were refused
as my mates were not allowed to move i moved stands to sit by them
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Post by Hippo on Feb 28, 2010 16:51:53 GMT 1
if you dont want to sing/make noise then dont sit in the singing blocks But I thought we we were discussing incidents that occurred in the South Stand? LOL. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2010 17:03:45 GMT 1
if you dont want to sing/make noise then dont sit in the singing blocks what singing blocks? Do we have designated singing blocks now? When did the club announce this? Is it only ok to post on certain threads only if u say good things and support certain actions? Noticed this on the ultras thread yesterday. Very happy for feed back but got quite arsey when some of that feed back wasnt the positive back slapping and hero worship some on here seem to crave.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2010 17:05:53 GMT 1
great point matron
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Feb 28, 2010 17:08:15 GMT 1
im not getting involved but lets be honest the ONLY reason the atmospher improved in all parts of the ground was the face we went 1-0 and started playing better....
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Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2010 17:53:07 GMT 1
A lot of stuff has been written about the man on this thread, but do people really know him? Have any of the detractors tried to engage him in conversation and let their feelings be known? Why the cheap, snide remarks? As already said he has a heart of gold and it's in the right place, his style may not suit all and his language will offend. Next time I see him the Brooklands I'll let him know some peoples feelings. sounds a bit like the way STFC operate, printing off threads and rushing them off for someone to read Yes I know tim , have done for about 20 years I spoke to him before yesterdays game and at half time I spoke to him again he even asked me to help him
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Post by poolieshrew on Feb 28, 2010 17:58:27 GMT 1
A combination of some great football/ goalmouth action lifted the atmosphere considerably all round the ground and made for a thoroughly enjoyable last 20 mins.
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Post by pughywasfree on Feb 28, 2010 18:54:08 GMT 1
if blocks 8 and 19 arnt singing blocks what are they???
its funny the club made these blocks sit where you want blocks the season after thats where all the noise was comming from imo
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Post by Ed on Feb 28, 2010 19:10:08 GMT 1
Matron, please explain your post regarding us getting arsey over criticism. I've said, and I reiterate, that yesterday we didn't create much noise but we'll continue to try.
Agree with Nick's post completely. I'll also say that if anyone has an issue with the Ultras then just PM me and we can discuss it over a drink in Brooklands or the PowerLeague bar. I don't like the idea of everyone saying things to me behind a computer screen.
At the Hereford game I went to the shrewsTRUST room and I think those that I spoke to in there know we've got the right intentions and the last thing I want is an arguement.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Feb 28, 2010 19:15:23 GMT 1
I sit in Block 10 and don't see the harm 'Mallet' is causing if any.
Keep it up.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2010 19:32:31 GMT 1
unless you are at the front, where he is to put it politely 'in your face'
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Post by The Original on Feb 28, 2010 19:42:13 GMT 1
Mallet is only doing what Timber Jim does for Portland Timbers, its all about having fun, making noise and being a proper football fan of which we don't have that many of. We have way too many middle class toffs/prawn sandwich brigade at out club that really need to get a life rather than moaning becuase somebody is making a atmosphere in the ground. You can easily join in with mallet and watch the game, which you should do as you are showing support.
A little clap, a fake smile and shouting do come on Shrowesbury rasberry cordial tonight if you win is just bollox supporting. You may as wel stay at home if your going to support a team like like that, people need to start showing more passion just like timmy rather than being boring jumped up toffs and complaining. If people would actually sing up there would be no need for timmy to be drumming and waving his flag at the front.
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Post by Dan F on Feb 28, 2010 19:55:27 GMT 1
Mallet is only doing what Timber Jim does for Portland Timbers, its all about having fun, making noise and being a proper football fan of which we don't have that many of. We have way too many middle class toffs/prawn sandwich brigade Maybe the middle class toffs/prawn sandwich brigade think the same of the common oiks who seem unable to sit still and actually watch what they've paid to see? Football is a personal thing. Just because you look for something in particular from going to a game doesn't mean that anyone else isn't entitled to enjoy it in their own personal way. There is no such thing as someone who's doing it the "right way". Support isn't just evidenced by someone showing off. It also isn't by someone shouting a polite "well done". It's both of those things, and many others. So why try and foist your standards on other people, or slate people for being different?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2010 19:56:33 GMT 1
Not shouting/singing at a match doesn't mean you're not supporting the team.
Those 'middle class toffs/prawn sandwich brigade' also help with the club, supporting them by paying their money week-in, week-out. Their visible presence at a game also lifts the players and the club.
Boy, you really need to get off your high horse about this Dand.
By the sounds of it you'd prefer a stadium only 10% full (that's around 1,000 fans in case you struggle to do the math) of people who sing rather than the ~ 6,000 we get now.
I appreciate what the ultras are trying to do, but your attitude is really not helping your stance. In fact, it's starting to annoy a lot of fans, myself included.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2010 20:27:47 GMT 1
I thought the Ultras were great for a period last year, really did their best to liven things up.
Recently, as the football has improved Block 18 and 19 have led others in turning the volume up a notch which is great.
I find the current postings of Ed and The Original and the 'reformation of the Ultras' to all be pretty pathetic to be perfectly honest, mainly in the way they are attacking other supporters. Certainly not something the football club needs at the moment.
Good post by LoyalShrew and others.
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Post by Ed on Feb 28, 2010 20:33:04 GMT 1
I thought the Ultras were great for a period last year, really did their best to liven things up. Recently, as the football has improved Block 18 and 19 have led others in turning the volume up a notch which is great. I find the current postings of Ed and The Original and the 'reformation of the Ultras' to all be pretty pathetic to be perfectly honest, mainly in the way they are attacking other supporters. Certainly not something the football club needs at the moment. Good post by LoyalShrew and others. As I have clearly said in my posts, it's just my opinion. I'm not launching attacks on you, PILCH or anyone else. Just stating my opinion. Also, as I have already said, if anyone has questions about the Ultras then please PM me and we can discuss it over a drink before a home game in Brooklands or the PowerLeague bar. As I say, I don't like the idea of people hiding behind their computer screens.
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Post by theriverside on Feb 28, 2010 20:33:22 GMT 1
Mallet is only doing what Timber Jim does for Portland Timbers, its all about having fun, making noise and being a proper football fan of which we don't have that many of. We have way too many middle class toffs/prawn sandwich brigade at out club that really need to get a life rather than moaning becuase somebody is making a atmosphere in the ground. You can easily join in with mallet and watch the game, which you should do as you are showing support. A little clap, a fake smile and shouting do come on Shrowesbury rasberry cordial tonight if you win is just * supporting. You may as wel stay at home if your going to support a team like like that, people need to start showing more passion just like timmy rather than being boring jumped up toffs and complaining. If people would actually sing up there would be no need for timmy to be drumming and waving his flag at the front. I'd suggest you retract this pronto Dand as it does yourself or the Ultras NO favours. It's all about personal choice and people support the club in plenty of different ways - not everyone is going to be a 'wacky' flag waving nutter like Mallet. I like to join in with the odd song (especially when I've been to the Brooklands pre-match ) but don't feel like singing for 90 mins like I might have done 10 years ago. My choice. Dennis who sits behind me is in his 80's, makes every game as he has done for christ knows how many years, gives the ref some stick and cheers when we score even if he can't stand up and jump around anymore. If you want to call that being a '*' supporter then you clearly have to take a long hard look at what you feel you are trying to achieve with your 'Ultras'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2010 20:39:19 GMT 1
Agree with Nick's post completely. I'll also say that if anyone has an issue with the Ultras then just PM me and we can discuss it over a drink in Brooklands or the PowerLeague bar. so just to be clear Ed, any positive well done congratulations kind of stuff u want posting on here for all to see, and anything critical or non supportive u want in a private message or one to one in a pub?
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Post by Ed on Feb 28, 2010 20:44:39 GMT 1
Agree with Nick's post completely. I'll also say that if anyone has an issue with the Ultras then just PM me and we can discuss it over a drink in Brooklands or the PowerLeague bar. so just to be clear Ed, any positive well done congratulations kind of stuff u want posting on here for all to see, and anything critical or non supportive u want in a private message or one to one in a pub? No, sorry if you misunderstood. I didn't exactly phrase that properly. I would like to discuss this with other people who are either negative or positive about it in the PowerLeague bar or Brooklands. I'm not saying that people should only post the positive stuff on B&A, this is a forum after all.
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