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Post by kickinpretty on Feb 11, 2004 1:07:07 GMT 1
Council Officer's report about the new theatre... www.shrewsbury.gov.uk/public/council/committees/council/2004-02-09/040-cl.doc After reading that report i think the tories have some very big questions to answer for residents of Shrewsbury. They have opted for a more expensive option and have prevented a development that would have benefited the town as a whole, they have also lost out on a possible £10 million windfall from the future use of 20 acres of land at Otley road for leisure development. Included in the Gay meadow costing was a £5 million sum for infrastructure and sports village which was withdrawn by council in 2002, so the actual saving is £7 million compared to the Telephone house site, couple this with the £10 million sale of land at the Otley Road site and the actual saving is £17 million compared to the Telephone House site. This means that the Gay Meadow site could be purchased and developed for just £15 million compared with the Telephone house site at £34 million, this conclusion is staggering and i suggest the Shropshire Star do us all a favour and take another look at the document and report the real figures submerged in the document. I just dont know what to say...im speachless Extra £10 million from Otley Road Land... This report needs to be copied and sent to every resident in Shrewsbury so that they can see for themselves the travesty that has occured at the hands of this tory administration. I am so angry...
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 11, 2004 1:14:04 GMT 1
I agree with your sentiments Kickin, but although the £5 million for the sports village was withdrawn I think it was included in this latest deal I think your £17 million figure for saving may actually be £12 million less, and we get the sports village. The money for the sports village pays for the car park for the football ground and the access road to the football grouns. Also note, 650 car parking spaces for football ground owned by SABC as a revenue stream I cannot believe the tories did not go for this, they must be crazy, £10 million of development land and the Gay Meadow site for £14 million madness get them out!
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Post by kickinpretty on Feb 11, 2004 1:18:31 GMT 1
The £5 million was costed but it was noted further down that this offer of capital investment was withdrawn by council in 2002 in favour of the Sundourne site, unless that money was reinstated by council in the future it wouldnt be included so as it stands at this moment in time the total saving would be £17 million.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 11, 2004 1:24:26 GMT 1
I don't know the details, but i think the £5 million stands in this for ancillary services to the new stadium, i.e. car parking, access roads and sports pitches
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Post by kickinpretty on Feb 11, 2004 1:30:33 GMT 1
Looking at the figures they have allowed £9 million for the Gya Meadow site and £5 million for Otley road, as the the club are asking for £14 million then you are correct in that the saving is in fact £12 million overall.
Its still a staggering difference and is totally out of order, the tories have been banging the drum about best value - well it appears that best value is the purchase of Gay Meadow and Otley Road, they cant hide from this fact, its there for all to see in black and white.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 11, 2004 1:34:20 GMT 1
you are totally right Kickin there it is, prepared by the council's own offices £12 million wasted
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Post by kickinpretty on Feb 11, 2004 1:39:21 GMT 1
What really bugs me is that 99.9% of the population wont even get to here about this unless the Shropshire Star do there job properly and report the truth.
I wish i had a few grand spare as i would pay for this document to be printed and distributed to every address in the town along with a summery of its contents.
Any correspondence in the papers etc needs to quote heavily from this document.
The tories havn't got a leg to stand on...
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Post by ianwhit on Feb 11, 2004 1:41:36 GMT 1
best way to express your feelings is via letters to the star/chronicle, your all residents of shrewsbury so must have feelings on how the conservative council have looked after your interests.
it's ok to to post on here but not that many people read it, a number of letters to the papers will make your feelings known.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 11, 2004 1:43:07 GMT 1
I have sent my two today Ian and more to come there is enough in that document to write one failing of the tory council a week until the elections
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Post by tim gallon on Feb 11, 2004 1:45:08 GMT 1
and you could build the theatre tommorrow at the GM whereas they would have to wait several years for the Telephone house one to come to fruition.
kickin, having worked in a local authority planning department this situation doesnt surprise me, just confirms me belief that party politics is rubbish, most of them are like sheep following each other. just ashame that the proffesional planners get a bad rep for it.
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Post by kickinpretty on Feb 11, 2004 1:50:48 GMT 1
I actually thought that local politics was about doing whats best for your locality, obviously the tories are a little muddled on this point.
I really cant see how they think they can get away with this.
Anybody got a spare photocopier and a few hundred reams of paper spare?
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Post by MrsMeoleshrew on Feb 11, 2004 1:53:40 GMT 1
If you hold on till tomorrow, I will put together some interesting quotes for you, last week I sent 72 e-mails out too all the County and Borough Cllr's, I actually sent them a questionaire, it seems I have got right up some people noses, have been accused of making a threat, being misleading etc, as I can keep my word unlike some Cllrs I won't say from who the quotes come from, Ade knows all about it and I will let him have more facts if he wants them. I gave today as the closing date for reply's ;D
Rather a lot have failed, although one thing has become clear, there is more support on the council than you think, unfortunatly they are not allowed to vote as most of them hold season tkts or are connected to the club in other ways, if this rule had note been in place i'm almost sure the meadow would already belong to the borough, of course I may be wrong, one or two reply's will have you going as bald as my other half (JP)
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Post by tim gallon on Feb 11, 2004 1:54:18 GMT 1
"I really cant see how they think they can get away with this"
apathy kickin, apathy, thats why you find only a third of voters in local elections bother to vote.
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Post by kickinpretty on Feb 11, 2004 1:59:25 GMT 1
Apathy and a complete lack of facts, im sure the people of Shrewsbury would be outraged if they new the truth.
I doubt very much if the "wise old owls of government " will be elected again if the voters know that they have basically wasted £12 million of taxpayers money.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Feb 11, 2004 2:24:57 GMT 1
I have an idea I dont know if Mr Whitfield will mind, but we could use the New Meadow dot com website to make out case. Spin with 100% truth. Show where SARA tell lies. Tell all about block voting. Tell all about WHY we need to move and THE COUNCILLORS agree. Tell OUR story. Show what the Torys have done. Once our little propaganda site is ready, we send a mail to every shrews person on the mailing list telling them each to pass on to 3 people they know- blah blah blah. We can mail shrewsbury businesses, the papers, media etc and make the torys well uncomfortable. Launch it on radio and using the media. Perhaps in true ISC style do some posters and protest banners in town somewhere. The Shropshire Star will at the end of the day only sensationalise everything. They havent the space for every argument. This way we have a 24hr tool available for all to see. Ill construct it if I get about four or five people's help spinning stuff for me... It needs some work, Im prepared to help do my bit.... what u think..?
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Post by kickinpretty on Feb 11, 2004 2:41:53 GMT 1
Matt - The reason i brought the www.smartshrewsbury.info domain name was so that this council could be shown up for what it is by focusing on all the poor decisions and policys it carries out as well as the complete neglect of the towns heritage and residents needs. If you can contribute some articles to this site then its the ideal platform as its not just about the football club. The domain is ready and waiting to go, i have been meaning to do some work on it for a while now, let me have your ideas and articles, im a web designer by trade so i can do all of the site design i just need some content. Let me know what you think?
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Feb 11, 2004 2:50:52 GMT 1
Im an image maker and a man of visuals.... have the ideas but not the hard core copy.
Im sure we can get contributions.
I want to go back to the chronicle in the 80s and see the reports slagging STFC for wanting the new stadium where Sainsburys is because of traffic problems.. now there is a duel-carriage way running past a busy retail park.
Now is the issue but people need to know- we just have to make it happen.
We need say 10 volunteers to report back and send us info.
Im up for it.
We could also get Colin Poole's nice solicitor friends to check it for libel etc and perhaps on the other foot show where SARA and the Bayston Hill community have said libel things about fans and the board. The Bayston Hill Villager is a prime example.
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Post by texmexshrew on Feb 11, 2004 4:56:24 GMT 1
What really bugs me is that 99.9% of the population wont even get to here about this unless the Shropshire Star do there job properly and report the truth. . ....and the Councillors dont expect the other .1% to get up and dig into the minutes to their meetings. A stunning find Kickin'. Quite staggering really. I wouldnt trust any political party/politician as far as I could through them. Maybe the SS will surprise us all and run this as Headline news tomorrow?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2004 9:43:32 GMT 1
Excellent stuff Kickin
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Post by petetheloon on Feb 11, 2004 11:20:02 GMT 1
I can have a look at old Bayston Hill Villager magazines for some quotes. I have sent several letters in on the pro new meadow side of things but they have never been published.
The best one was about some bloke who was sat in the car park of sainsburys and saw a very rare bird flying overhead. He came to the conclusion that this bird was nesting on the land where new meadow would be built. Conveniently the bird finds it hard to nest, and he points out if the NM is built there then the bird and other animals habitats will be lost forever.
But just go back to the start of the story. HE IS SAT IN SAINSBURYS CAR PARK!!!!!! so destroying habitats is fine if it means he can meander mindlessly around a supermarket every sunday morning.
The point of this post is basically even though this is a great idea, I just feel there are too many blinkered idiots in this town to really pay any attention to fact. They are so opposed to the move they will make up any old crap to get their point across.
The best first step is to put up a front page with an address that people can post various sources and info to and go from there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2004 11:59:53 GMT 1
But just go back to the start of the story. HE IS SAT IN SAINSBURYS CAR PARK!!!!!! so destroying habitats is fine if it means he can meander mindlessly around a supermarket every sunday morning. LOL!!!!!!!!
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Post by pawlo on Feb 11, 2004 12:57:15 GMT 1
Problem with setting up internet sites is that not many people will actually get to see them, as Ian says. There is a lot of hard evidence and opinion on this site but the vast majority of people dont see it. We have to get local papers involved, surely something as interesting as this is bound to tweak their curiousity. In the spirit of investigative journalism, if they are given some bait, will they reel in a fish. SS is read by many thousands every day. Are they in the councillors pockets?
I do wonder why this hasnt been siezed upon already by them.
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Post by petetheloon on Feb 11, 2004 13:46:26 GMT 1
But if you can design the site and then use the local media to direct the people to this site then that would have a lot of effect.
Also a letter to the rotten boroughs section of Private Eye may have some impact in giving the local media a kick up the bum
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Post by kickinpretty on Feb 11, 2004 13:49:27 GMT 1
You can submit articles, ideas to the following site:- www.smartshrewsbury.infoAs soon as i have 2 or 3 decent articles to put up i will launch the site, at the moment there is a front page with a contact email address.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Feb 11, 2004 13:57:46 GMT 1
IM using my simple minds contacts and trying to get in touch with a bloke at Clear Channel and for him to write a statement saying what a music venue does for a town. why should the wolves civic have everything..? why does shrewsbury have more listed buildings than york yet is not promoted as near enough for commerce and trade and tourists to come to..? its not a case of what have the romans ever done for us..? but what have they done for us..!? keep digging everyone..
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 12, 2004 2:35:54 GMT 1
dig away folks ;D
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Post by skipwithrob on Feb 12, 2004 12:16:44 GMT 1
So let me get this right. The conclusion was that the council should buy Gay Meadow blahblahblah, however they went against what they were advised?
WHAT GIVES THEM THE RIGHT TO DO THIS?
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Post by Glassback on Feb 14, 2004 14:51:07 GMT 1
So the clear message to the true STFC fan is "Vote Tory" at local election and save The Meadow.
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Post by kickinpretty on Feb 14, 2004 14:53:58 GMT 1
Save the meadow maybe - Destroy the clubs future for sure!
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Post by Glassback on Feb 14, 2004 15:31:10 GMT 1
My clear prediction some years ago was that the current board were "fiddling while rome burned" and that the smokescreen of a new meadow fiasco would take the fan's attention away from their appaling indirect mismanagement of the club leading to a drop to the conference long before any new ground was built. 100% correct. Surely if the town needs a theatre which would be used several times a week it should be built near good road access ie. near sainsbury! The meadow holds a major function once a fortnight for most of the year and in the interim provides excellent parking facilities.
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