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Post by jaytee on Aug 31, 2006 22:56:09 GMT 1
Jaytee, please refrain from patronising me. ‘nli’ - I cannot be fuc ked with this. If you want to get personal then atleast log in, as I’ll find out who you are eventually. Good day. KL8 The Man Who Would Be King. I'm not. I said I enjoyed lots of your posts. If I didn't, I wouldn't say so. You've got involved in a pointless arguement, with someone who you don't know from Adam. Have I said he's wonderful? I don't think he is, but you need a good nights sleep, and stand back. Tomorrow when you read this, I'll bet you will agree with me. If you don't, start a new thead, called "OI, JAYTEE, YOU'RE A ****ING w****r!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2006 22:59:52 GMT 1
'OI, JAYTEE, YOU'RE A ****ING w****r' Tis indeed a very tempting offer. I’ll sleep on it before making my decision. Have a good night.
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Post by Mikealele on Aug 31, 2006 23:04:17 GMT 1
I think we should work out who's in this clique and who isn't. Then split into two groups and have a spelling and grammar contest. Winners get a big bag of sweets and a sense of real achievment. I wonder who's in the clique? Is it possible to be in a clique and not know about it? Does anybody care?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2006 23:07:32 GMT 1
If you can't take a couple of people taking the p**s, how on earth will you be able to cope with proper problems in real life? I believe The Shropshire Tenor made the exact same point last time somebody did this :-)
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Post by jaytee on Aug 31, 2006 23:26:27 GMT 1
'OI, JAYTEE, YOU'RE A ****ING w****r' Tis indeed a very tempting offer. I’ll sleep on it before making my decision. Have a good night. How can I? Tomorrow, you might call me a "****ing w****r!!!!". (Mrs jaytee does it quite regularly), but ,you see, I know who she is....Psssst, between you and me, I think welshshrew is the leader of the English Border Front.
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Post by dyslexiccraig on Aug 31, 2006 23:39:39 GMT 1
Who are you accusing me of stereotyping? 'Typical' Town fans or the B&A Crew? At least you think my sentence was fantastic though, cheers! I buy every issue of the Blue and Amber fanzine and although I don't think it's quite as good as ALS in it's heyday, I enjoy reading it and recognise those of you that are involved in producing it put in a lot of effort in to it and also do other work that is beneficial to the club. My main point is that all supporters groups / organisations should surely be inclusive by nature - B&A can give the impression of being exclusive. You clearly stated that there are a bunch of do-gooders on here who see themselves as the 'official fans' of the club. MyddleShrews on the other hand you believe to be the guy who goes to the game and has a few beers with his mates afterwards. And thus is typical of the fanbase. That's your argument yeah? If so, I'd suggest you've never met any of these 'do-gooders' and have also never read any of MyddleShrews posts about the EBF. yeah ia dmit i post threads on ebf ones that are already started and i just say the the truth as i work with a few and i just stop all the guessin and rumours and say the truth about them!!
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Post by WindsorShrew on Sept 1, 2006 6:33:48 GMT 1
As i have stated before all this talk of a clique is rubbish. Mind you in Barca they all moved hotels and left me on my lonesome... ;D
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Sept 1, 2006 8:44:23 GMT 1
The problem with the whole idea of a clique is that everyone feels outside of it.
I want to know who this clique is because I want to join it! At the moment I know lots of different people but not one big gathering.
From my experience, the people who know each other are the ones who argue the most and fall out the most.
Everyone seems to think that everyone else knows each other, meets up regularly, lives on the same street - this is simply not true.
If you told me a couple of years back one of my footie mates would be a 50+ year old female hippy nutcase from Wigan I would have been rather surprised. Living proof if ever there was that we are united by a common interest, STFC, rather than any demographic, social, or historical ties.
Generally the people who have "resigned" from B&A have been people who held positions that they could not defend and then got angry.
JP - Can slag off Ryan Lowe as much as you want but no-one can say anything bad about Duane Darby
Dan F - Can't afford to watch Shrewsbury ever but has a season ticket for burton.
When people asked how they can hold this opinion they complained of a clique and ran away. It was not a clique. The reason people questioned them was because what they said made no sense whatsoever.
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Post by shrewsace on Sept 1, 2006 8:46:47 GMT 1
Who are you accusing me of stereotyping? 'Typical' Town fans or the B&A Crew? At least you think my sentence was fantastic though, cheers! I buy every issue of the Blue and Amber fanzine and although I don't think it's quite as good as ALS in it's heyday, I enjoy reading it and recognise those of you that are involved in producing it put in a lot of effort in to it and also do other work that is beneficial to the club. My main point is that all supporters groups / organisations should surely be inclusive by nature - B&A can give the impression of being exclusive. You clearly stated that there are a bunch of do-gooders on here who see themselves as the 'official fans' of the club. MyddleShrews on the other hand you believe to be the guy who goes to the game and has a few beers with his mates afterwards. And thus is typical of the fanbase. That's your argument yeah? If so, I'd suggest you've never met any of these 'do-gooders' and have also never read any of MyddleShrews posts about the EBF. No, I wasn't aware of Myddles (presumably pro- EBF) comments. I had sympathy for Myddle as he seemed to be getting a lot of flack for his spelling and grammar. The do-gooders comment was ill judged, for which I apologise.
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Post by indianwells on Sept 1, 2006 9:02:25 GMT 1
I've only ever seen one of you to talk to(Jamo)and as an"outsider"so to speak I can't see any evidence of a clique in the true sense of the word ie a small,exclusive faction.If there was i'd have slung my hook a long time ago.Instead i've been mostly welcomed.A clique certainly wouldn't have allowed that. We have a huge range of ages and opinions and how boring would it be if everyone spent their time agreeing and back-slapping.As far as i'm concerned,unless certain boundaries are overstepped then everyones opinion is valid whether you agree with it or not.Some people are naturally timid and wouldn't dream of voicing their opinion or disagreeing with someone face to face.This forum gives them the vehicle to do so without fear of the reaction in a physical presence situation. If a board member is feeling down or worried about someone or some thing then in general all I have seen is a general rallying round of everyone and suggestions or offers of help. This is a great board and community and I for one will be hanging around for a while yet.Just you try and get rid of me!!
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Post by El Presidente on Sept 1, 2006 9:09:22 GMT 1
I've only ever seen one of you to talk to(Jamo)and as an"outsider"so to speak I can't see any evidence of a clique in the true sense of the word ie a small,exclusive faction.If there was i'd have slung my hook a long time ago.Instead i've been mostly welcomed.A clique certainly wouldn't have allowed that. We have a huge range of ages and opinions and how boring would it be if everyone spent their time agreeing and back-slapping.As far as i'm concerned,unless certain boundaries are overstepped then everyones opinion is valid whether you agree with it or not.Some people are naturally timid and wouldn't dream of voicing their opinion or disagreeing with someone face to face.This forum gives them the vehicle to do so without fear of the reaction in a physical presence situation. If a board member is feeling down or worried about someone or some thing then in general all I have seen is a general rallying round of everyone and suggestions or offers of help. This is a great board and community and I for one will be hanging around for a while yet.Just you try and get rid of me!! You're Barred! ;D
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Post by indianwells on Sept 1, 2006 9:14:10 GMT 1
I've only ever seen one of you to talk to(Jamo)and as an"outsider"so to speak I can't see any evidence of a clique in the true sense of the word ie a small,exclusive faction.If there was i'd have slung my hook a long time ago.Instead i've been mostly welcomed.A clique certainly wouldn't have allowed that. We have a huge range of ages and opinions and how boring would it be if everyone spent their time agreeing and back-slapping.As far as i'm concerned,unless certain boundaries are overstepped then everyones opinion is valid whether you agree with it or not.Some people are naturally timid and wouldn't dream of voicing their opinion or disagreeing with someone face to face.This forum gives them the vehicle to do so without fear of the reaction in a physical presence situation. If a board member is feeling down or worried about someone or some thing then in general all I have seen is a general rallying round of everyone and suggestions or offers of help. This is a great board and community and I for one will be hanging around for a while yet.Just you try and get rid of me!! You're Barred! ;D Been barred from rougher places than this.Pussies!!
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Post by ratcliffesghost on Sept 1, 2006 9:19:59 GMT 1
There are numerous people on here I would like to pat on the back, some with considerable velocity
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Post by El Presidente on Sept 1, 2006 9:31:03 GMT 1
There are numerous people on here I would like to pat on the back, some with considerable velocity So you'd have a job catching up to them then!? ;D
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Sept 1, 2006 11:17:38 GMT 1
This thread is Ace, and certianly a keeper Pilch!!! Anyway, Agree with Ants comments, i knew nobody off here, at all when i first stumbled across B and A, now i probs know about 70-100+ mabey more folks, many of which i would class as great mates. I however had to put my self forward to meet these people, and everytime i met someone, all of them have been great and inclusive, if you think B and A is un inclusive, then im sorry thats your miserable fault..... i dont remember Ant every banning anyone from anything...... Also i thibnk that most people get that this is a message board, not real life, for example Jamo disagreed with what we did with Steve Brown, but next time i see him, i dont think it will matter in the slightest, and we will probs joke about it... because at the end of the day this is fun, and a great debate, but in reality is it worth falling out wih someone over? NO.... That said i agree with Loyal Shrew more, people quitting a message baord should just do it and go, this threads pointless as hes back now anyway, so clearly he was no that offended..... Just my tupence worth.... and lest be fair im pretty s**t at spelling and has it every got me that wound up no... not really....
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Post by robshrew1984 on Sept 1, 2006 11:22:36 GMT 1
It is understandable why some people see B&A as a clique. It’s largely a bunch of people who get on very well, many of whom know each other in person as well as online and many of whom will share personal jokes and banter. Yes some people will feel that B&A is not the place for them and yes some will not agree with the banter that others will write; B&A is not for everyone. However there are so many examples of why B&A is not the clique that a few suggest it is. Firstly, take a look at the so called members of the clique. How many of them met outside of B&A or were friends before signing up? Speaking from my personal experience I continue to meet people through B&A whom I have had no idea they existed before hand and there are very few people whom use this board who I knew before they were members on this board. These include people who have gone on to help me find a job, become my girlfriend, become team mates with me or simply become very good friends. These include those who I have immediately shared a view with but at the same time those who I have argued verbosely with about certain subjects. Take for example ‘shrewforever’, I remember having a massive argument with him about the merits of Kevin Ratcliffe as manager in the relegation season a few years ago; now I stand by him at every home game and consider him to be a very good friend. You only have to look at the current hot topics on the messageboard and see the mixture of those contributing to it, and having their views listened to and respected by others. For example netoftheback, indianwells and jaytee, I believe, don’t know many other B&A members personally yet all are regular and important members of the board. Every week new members sign up, people join in and give their views and get involved in what B&A has to offer. This year we’ve seen more football matches and cricket matches etc than ever before and every year new faces appear and are welcomed into joining activities. These people aren’t hand picked! They join and make friends because they feel the community is something which is worthwhile to be a part of, and because they feel welcome. There are numerous examples of people joining B&A and making friends from it. The demographics of the B&A community can’t be rivalled. There are men, women, pensioners, school children, the religious and the atheist, the pessimists and the optimists. The only thing which connects us is our love for one football club (and for some members even that isn’t applicable!!); there are no other entry requirements. B&A is something I’m very passionate about. I’ve met so many people on here who have gone on to inspire, help or befriend me in the seven or so years I’ve been a part of it. As a result of B&A I know people from all corners of the Globe and from so many backgrounds that I don’t feel you can find in any way. B&A is never going to be the answer to all, but my God there’s so much to get out of it if you’re willing to get involved. Enjoy it. Best post Ive ever read on this message board Truly heartfelt. Gives you faith in in the power of society and the people that it consists of. You are exalted my good man! notworthy
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Post by Dan Francis on Sept 1, 2006 11:26:15 GMT 1
Dan Francis, Matt, JP, ProfessorPatPending, your boys have taken another hell of a beating. Erm excuse me, I'm only on break. I never actually quit as such so don't put me in with them - I'm still around, just not as much and only posting under pseudonyms relevant to the post. I'll be back once my new name's been set in stone (you have been warned!) Cheers luv.
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Post by redkopite on Sept 1, 2006 11:33:27 GMT 1
I'm obviously a Liverpool fan, have received loads of stick because i'm a Liverpool fan and because I have been a complete knob in general at times. I have deserved it 98% of the time. You just have to get on with it if you are going to stay on the messageboard. If people don't like us myddle, then hey, every community has it's idiots.
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Post by Dan Francis on Sept 1, 2006 11:35:04 GMT 1
Dan F - Can't afford to watch Shrewsbury ever but has a season ticket for burton. When people asked how they can hold this opinion they complained of a clique and ran away. It was not a clique. The reason people questioned them was because what they said made no sense whatsoever. Eh? No I didn't! I've been supporting the "No Clique" theory for about two years publically! Privately may have been different but that's what that was - in private! Only two people knew I was taking a sabbatical - Pricey and Pilch - and I'd said to both I'd be back with a new name and attitude within a few months. Certainly haven't run away. May not check the board as often and certainly have probably done about 4 posts since I deleted my account but that's not really running away, is it? And the post telling Myddle to go if he's going and stop asking for attention or stay if he's staying and shut up about it by "Everyone" was me - so that'd go against everything I stand for!
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Sept 1, 2006 11:50:18 GMT 1
i ahve quit this board good luck to all!! i have had another of pointless snipes aimed at me i see worse threads than mine and not a eye lid battered, i do one of summit that intrests i get hounded, im also dyslexic and spellin aint greta get hounded so i have 1 message left bye bye au revoir Be strong, be tough. Tell us why we should take you point of view on board. Remember. Faceless people behind a nickname and a computer screen. Easy to shout abuse at someone when you can do that. By the way, I wish that messiah bloke/ lass would do one!!
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Sept 1, 2006 11:51:29 GMT 1
Dan F - Can't afford to watch Shrewsbury ever but has a season ticket for burton. When people asked how they can hold this opinion they complained of a clique and ran away. It was not a clique. The reason people questioned them was because what they said made no sense whatsoever. Eh? No I didn't! I've been supporting the "No Clique" theory for about two years publically! Privately may have been different but that's what that was - in private! Only two people knew I was taking a sabbatical - Pricey and Pilch - and I'd said to both I'd be back with a new name and attitude within a few months. Certainly haven't run away. May not check the board as often and certainly have probably done about 4 posts since I deleted my account but that's not really running away, is it? And the post telling Myddle to go if he's going and stop asking for attention or stay if he's staying and shut up about it by "Everyone" was me - so that'd go against everything I stand for! While I'm at it, hasnt that Francis bloke been bared. If not why not. Burton. A38 Easy. Stay there!
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Post by burtonshrew on Sept 1, 2006 11:58:52 GMT 1
I'm sorry. I won't be any trouble. I promise.
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Post by nicko on Sept 1, 2006 12:27:12 GMT 1
Clique, small exculisive set, FACTION, group of people. As TBH said we all have a common purpose in that we all follow Salop, therefore imo we have a clique of around 3500-4000 on a regular basis. Within that group we have factions i.e who liked Ryan Lowe, Duane Darby and those who think Danny Hall is cr@p (Losers ) People who travel on the Lenny Bus, the train, with Chris Smith, or in their own car with family or friends, play for ASFC etc, etc. By defination then there are cliques as with all walks of life and is a fact of human nature but it's no bad thing, 'cos at the end of the day if we all got along life would be a whole lot more boring. Personally life is to bl00dy short to worry about it. Peace
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 1, 2006 13:18:50 GMT 1
If you can't take a couple of people taking the p**s, how on earth will you be able to cope with proper problems in real life? I believe The Shropshire Tenor made the exact same point last time somebody did this :-) Don't drag me into it, I might be accused of being part of the clique ;D Btw, I'm suprised to read that KL8 is 15. He comes across as much younger in his posts.
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Post by take me away on Sept 1, 2006 15:03:48 GMT 1
This is a difficult one, whilst from the outside b+a may look very cliquey, this is somewhat misleading. As has been said, you only have too look at the manner in which people from different walks of life, who support different football clubs mix with STFC fans on here. The Man united fan (can't recall his poster name) is one such example, treats members with respect, posts his opinions on differing threads and keeps in contact. he is as valued IMO to this community as say jamo, Ant pricey. Everyone brings something different to the board, be it wiggys' post about the good old days, my argumentative nature, Ants positive vibes, Jamos sarcasim or Myddle pent up frustration. All make the board what it is . Yes people have become very good friends, but what do you expect, we live (most of us) in a small community, in a small county supporting a small cause. It is bound to happen that friendships form. From my own personal experience, friends have been made, there have been differences along the way, but people are there when you need them, be it for advice, some company, lifts to a game, help staying over etc. You don't have to live in shrewsbury and attend every single STFC football game to earn peoples trust and respect. I'd consider it less of a clique and more of a cooperative, everyone brings something to the table, of what though we are not sure. P.s-there isn't anything wrong with disliking individuals, I dislike a lot of people as I am sure a lot of people dislike me Think the thrase is "s**t happens"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2006 20:47:14 GMT 1
You clearly stated that there are a bunch of do-gooders on here who see themselves as the 'official fans' of the club. MyddleShrews on the other hand you believe to be the guy who goes to the game and has a few beers with his mates afterwards. And thus is typical of the fanbase. That's your argument yeah? If so, I'd suggest you've never met any of these 'do-gooders' and have also never read any of MyddleShrews posts about the EBF. No, I wasn't aware of Myddles (presumably pro- EBF) comments. I had sympathy for Myddle as he seemed to be getting a lot of flack for his spelling and grammar. The do-gooders comment was ill judged, for which I apologise. Cheers pal :-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2006 20:48:36 GMT 1
Dan Francis, Matt, JP, ProfessorPatPending, your boys have taken another hell of a beating. Erm excuse me, I'm only on break. I never actually quit as such so don't put me in with them - I'm still around, just not as much and only posting under pseudonyms relevant to the post. I'll be back once my new name's been set in stone (you have been warned!) Cheers luv.
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Post by jamo on Sept 1, 2006 21:55:45 GMT 1
I presume you mean sarcasm ? are you Myddle in disguise ?
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Sept 1, 2006 22:03:26 GMT 1
I presume you mean sarcasm ? are you Myddle in disguise ? Someone with a university degree, believe it or not Jamo
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Post by jamo on Sept 1, 2006 22:06:25 GMT 1
Someone with a university degree, believe it or not Jamo Wouldn't be a degree in stupid headwear would it ?
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