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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2005 8:01:27 GMT 1
but no one has ever queried someones opinion FOR GP so why against?!?!!! to be honest this thread has gone against everything this board has tried to achieve...this board has gone out of its way to try and show there not a clique or dont 'gang up' on people with a difference of opinion, but if you have a different opinion on this board then you are gone through with a fine tooth comb until they try and make you think your wrong?!! im sorry if this is not the case, but this is this the way it seems?! no-one is having a go at ema. How can you believe an opinion though when it's only based on a fact that one person knows?
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Post by OldGit on May 19, 2005 8:14:52 GMT 1
Philosophically speaking, can something be said to be a fact if only one person knows it? Until someone has corroborated something, it remains a theory to my way of thinking. For example, if Rob thought Gripey was a wazzock, that would be a theory. If however, he could demonstrate that Gripey had gone to a curry house and had scampi and chips (without the peas), clearly the theory takes on a more factual basis (hypothetically speaking) ;D
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Post by Rantonshrew on May 19, 2005 8:24:23 GMT 1
This is all a bit annoying. Having read what GP has to say I now have a seed of doubt sown by someone who won't tell us why! STFC will never achieve anything at this rate, there has always been someone who has background info on the manager or players. To me its all gossip , no matter how well-informed it is. Even when you know certain facts you don't always know the reason behind it! The only truth will show on the pitch and GP and any young lads brought in will need our support not our suspicion!
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Post by Shrews and Royals on May 19, 2005 8:31:47 GMT 1
I can 100% tell you that in the world of football PLAYERS, MANAGERS, DIRECTORS, and STAFF will say things that are not true to:
a) pass the buck. b) give the impression that something is going on which isn't. c) deliberately mislead. d) undermine someone.
They will even use people they know well to either innocently or knowingly leak out the information.
I've witnessed the art at it's best!
It only reflects the world of work in general after all.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 19, 2005 8:38:07 GMT 1
I guess that since being teased in the playground people get slightly annoyed at the "I know something you don't know" attitude.
GP is undoubtedly playing the system and playing people because he has to do that to achieve something. He has got our board of directors byt he nuts and he has to exaggerate his point to make them listen
He had to clear away the deadwood and that is a tough call
In days when managers run off with players wives and assault youth team players I think GP is bordering on the angelic, and someone knowing something I don;t know won;t change my way of thinking, because I don;t know
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Post by x emz x on May 19, 2005 11:00:21 GMT 1
you dont know what ive "heard" and thats the way its gonna stay,(unless you get told it too!). i wont give you the satisfaction of tellin you anything, but what i will say, like i said to phil on msn, if you did the exact same thing and said " i got told something which questions my opinion of gp, but i dont wanna tell everyone via a messageboard because it may/may not be true", then i would respect that and leave it!! what i and bec have both heard ( and its not just 1 thing) is yet to be proved true. HOWEVER, it is up 2 me if i believe the person/people, who have told me the information, and as i have said, ive known these people a long time, and would definately trust what they so over gp. not because i dont like the bloke, purely because when it comes down to believin one or the other, id choose them who i have known longer! and it has nothing to do with a player i " enjoy watching" leavin the club.... i may be a female, but just because of that does not mean that i am likely to vent anger at gp for letting him go...i dont care. im sure if a bloke was saying this the whole " its because a player you like watching has left" wouldnt even come up in the " discussion"!! how can what ive heard be "bollox" if you have no proof as to what im saying is? you cant possibly decide that! just leave it be, my opinion, not yours at the end of the day. and if gp found out what id said and asked me to say it too his face, at least i'd have the balls to do it!!!!!
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Post by Bec on May 19, 2005 11:03:55 GMT 1
....and the winner for the total b******s of the day award is .........................Bec. thanks for that, just proved my point perfectly!
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Post by lazyshrew on May 19, 2005 11:09:11 GMT 1
I totaly agree with what guest bec said, a short while back i made my opinionms clear on Winston Churchill. I got a whole load of people telling me that i was wrong to think what i thought about him. Simply stated my opinion, only to be told it was wrong!
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Post by texmexshrew on May 19, 2005 11:22:51 GMT 1
if what you have heard causes you to have so much sceptism over GP then why not email Shrewsweb? Whitters set up a new feature whereby GP will answer any rumours doing rounds. This can be anonymously.
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Post by x emz x on May 19, 2005 11:40:23 GMT 1
if what you have heard causes you to have so much sceptism over GP then why not email Shrewsweb? Whitters set up a new feature whereby GP will answer any rumours doing rounds. This can be anonymously. because i dont feel the need to have to ask him anything that crosses my mind. it will all come out in due time i would imagine
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Post by mattmw on May 19, 2005 12:07:52 GMT 1
Mrs Tolley
As texmexshrew said - why not contact Shrews web or Peter's directly. Peter's clearly doesn't like rumours kept behind closed doors, so why not speak to him about what you have heard?
Its obviously something you feel quite strongly about - which has got other Town fans wondering whats going on.
You are clearly free to have any opinions about him that you want to have, but its getting to the stage where everyone needs to get this rumnor sorted out or its going to start effecting the club. If I was in your position I'd be straight round to the club asking what's going on.
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Post by x emz x on May 19, 2005 12:12:12 GMT 1
its not gonna effect the club at all. i mean after all im talking b****x, so u know, doesnt mean a thing.
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Post by Pilch on May 19, 2005 12:15:12 GMT 1
ema last thursday you had the opportunity to have it out with peters (just like you did with kate) why didn't you ? theres no point yapping on here that you know something if you intend on keeping it secret forever if you don't agree with what you know make it public and maybe you'll get a bit or full backing for your cause until then what you know is meaningless to anyone who doesn't so send me that pm
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 19, 2005 12:15:58 GMT 1
If its "not going to effect the club at all" this makes it even more pointless!!!! You have your view we have ours (well some of us) lets leave it at that and await this earthshattering thing thats got you so rilled up to come out!!!
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Post by Loud and Proud on May 19, 2005 12:16:26 GMT 1
but no one has ever queried someones opinion FOR GP so why against?!?!!! to be honest this thread has gone against everything this board has tried to achieve...this board has gone out of its way to try and show there not a clique or dont 'gang up' on people with a difference of opinion, but if you have a different opinion on this board then you are gone through with a fine tooth comb until they try and make you think your wrong?!! im sorry if this is not the case, but this is this the way it seems?! Well at last a point is made which is shown to be correct everytime anyone dares to have an opinion different to the clique. You stick to your opinion Emma and if I was you just don't try and justify it leave the little clique to argue amongst themselves.
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Post by Rantonshrew on May 19, 2005 12:17:05 GMT 1
so you don't know if its true or not! Thanks for that , you are entitled to have your opinion and I respect that . My opinion of GP will remain that he is the first manager in years to talk sense about the club and that he has my support in what he is trying to do. Unless I find out otherwise i have to trust him but I will always be sceptical and may question some of his decisions. STFC are a big part of all our lives but Its not like I am putting my life in GP's hands so I won't lose any sleep over it.
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Post by x emz x on May 19, 2005 12:18:14 GMT 1
because i left his meeting half way through......and why bring her into it, what i do and say is up to me and aint gonna be told what i should or shouldnt do or say!!! your all so bothered about what it is, yet im talking cr@p arent i? so why dont u all just drop it! and to be honest, i wouldnt be surprised if someone off here printed the whole bloody thing off and showed it him, because thats how low some would stoop! and like i said, at least id have the guts to tell him to his face what i think and not creep up his a**e!!!!!!!
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Post by mattmw on May 19, 2005 12:19:59 GMT 1
mrs tolley I'm confused Are you saying that what you have heard about Peter's wont effect the club at all?
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Post by x emz x on May 19, 2005 12:20:48 GMT 1
so you don't know if its true or not! no i dont know.....ive said, it basically comes down to believeing one over the other and like i said i trust the other person/people....but if i get proved wrong i will hold my hand up and say that. im not gonna retract everything ive said because i havent put the whole story on the messageboard!
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Post by x emz x on May 19, 2005 12:22:01 GMT 1
mrs tolley I'm confused Are you saying that what you have heard about Peter's wont effect the club at all? i dont understand myself-im saying, you all think im talking crap-thats fine- but to then say its gonna effect the club, how can it if im talking crap?
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Post by Pilch on May 19, 2005 12:22:37 GMT 1
because i left his meeting half way through......and why bring her into it, what i do and say is up to me and aint gonna be told what i should or shouldnt do or say!!! your all so bothered about what it is, yet im talking cr@p arent i? so why dont u all just drop it! and to be honest, i wouldnt be surprised if someone off here printed the whole bloody thing off and showed it him, because thats how low some would stoop! and like i said, at least id have the guts to tell him to his face what i think and not creep up his a**e!!!!!!! i only asked a question and just thought that you missed the perfect opportunity to confront peters, and mentioned 'phycho' as an example that you are not afraid to put someone right
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Post by x emz x on May 19, 2005 12:24:25 GMT 1
yea im not afriad to put people straight, but like i said, i dont have to make everything public!! if the oppourtnity arose to confront him-on his own- i would because that way no one else can stick their nose in and stir it all up a bit more.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 19, 2005 12:24:39 GMT 1
because i left his meeting half way through......and why bring her into it, what i do and say is up to me and aint gonna be told what i should or shouldnt do or say!!! your all so bothered about what it is, yet im talking cr@p arent i? so why dont u all just drop it! and to be honest, i wouldnt be surprised if someone off here printed the whole bloody thing off and showed it him, because thats how low some would stoop! and like i said, at least id have the guts to tell him to his face what i think and not creep up his a**e!!!!!!! right i was going to leave this But what the hell are you on about now Where you in a hole stop digging Who would print this thread off and show gary? Now you are talking "b******s" Em!!! You have managed to not only confuse everyone on this thread (which looking back has been entertaining ) but now i think you have confused your self
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Post by Bec on May 19, 2005 12:27:33 GMT 1
somehow the majority of posters on this thread have managed to turn emas opinion on a man into some huge great conspiracy theory!!!! the girls not a fan of the bloke, simple as that now please can we just drop it?!!!?!
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Post by x emz x on May 19, 2005 12:28:32 GMT 1
ive not managed to confuse myself...your all telling me im talking crap-which like i said is fine,do as you please! but then u lot keep coming back to it, and askin me questions about it etc etc, why wud u wanna know if its all a load of sh!t? huh?
as for people printing it off-just saying i wouldnt be surprised if it happened!!
yes entertaining for u, because your opinion literally "goes with the flow" mine however does not, so im an easy target to be questioned, thats fine. but u say how im talking sh!t yet you have no evidence that i am!!!!!!
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Post by forFsSake on May 19, 2005 12:28:32 GMT 1
This thread is very boring now................lets move on to something that is actually relevant to life.
Or why don't you all meet in a pub and discuss face to face rather than through your computer screens!!!
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Post by x emz x on May 19, 2005 12:30:27 GMT 1
exactly, im bored of having to try and argue with u all, when quite obviously i cant have a say because i haven't stated the full story-which i dont have to.lets just drop it thanks
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Post by GaryPeters on May 19, 2005 12:31:44 GMT 1
I've just had a print out handed to me. So what do You know about me MrsTolley ?
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Post by x emz x on May 19, 2005 12:33:22 GMT 1
I've just had a print out handed to me. So what do You know about me MrsTolley ? maybe if u could ask me to my face and not through a computer screen youd get more of a response!!! but there again-you wouldnt!
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 19, 2005 12:34:05 GMT 1
ive not managed to confuse myself...your all telling me im talking cr@p-which like i said is fine,do as you please! but then u lot keep coming back to it, and askin me questions about it etc etc, why wud u wanna know if its all a load of sh!t? huh? as for people printing it off-just saying i wouldnt be surprised if it happened!! yes entertaining for u, because your opinion literally "goes with the flow" mine however does not, so im an easy target to be questioned, thats fine. but u say how im talking sh!t yet you have no evidence that i am!!!!!! Cos im board at work!!! And yeah my opinian always go with the flow Darbys loved by all, Everyone hated jemo and Cramb, i have said things in the fanzine that have come back to bite me on the ass many times - so no i dont always agree with the flow!!!!! in fact im proabley the most argued with person around sometimes!! - fact is im not afriad to say the things i think!! just read any of the fanzines??? Ps i never used the phrase "talking s**t"!! Dont put words im my mouth! I will leave it - but fact is you started this whole thing a week or so back with not one shred of evidence to go on!!! and that all i was questioing - not unresonable!!
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