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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2005 13:07:00 GMT 1
Stewards are the worst paid in the League. They do however receive two match tickets to the sum of £24, usually given to people already going to the match. Add to that the continued employment of Freddie Hales at STFC (he tried to boot us out of the Players Bar when we'd hardly sat down at half-time) and we could do with a spring clean down the Meadow. Also, in case the board are reading this: www.acas.org.uk/rights/discipline.html#4www.dti.gov.uk/er/individual/fair-pl714.htm
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Post by jamo on Apr 24, 2005 13:12:50 GMT 1
Add to that the continued employment of Freddie Hales at STFC (he tried to boot us out of the Players Bar when we'd hardly sat down at half-time) and we could do with a spring clean down the Meadow. ) Who's he and what is his role at the club ?
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 24, 2005 13:19:32 GMT 1
Just a thought, if these complaints are to be inforced then the club will probably end up having to pay for outside stewards who have no connection with the club at all,(they get paid to watch the game at the mo) so when we move to the new ground, where as the current stewards might let you stand at the back as long as it doesn't bother anyone, any outside stewarding company is more likely to stick to there instructions and force you to sit, when we move this group will stick out like sore thumbs in the seats so will probably be much quieter. It will be easier won't it for the CCTV to pick them up. Its in Laptops hands now anyway, i'msure he will have words.
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Post by soupie on Apr 24, 2005 13:35:16 GMT 1
Who's he and what is his from welshshrew signed in as Soupie.
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Post by Mr T on Apr 24, 2005 13:47:12 GMT 1
the stewards did seem to have a long chat with a couple of people from this crowd in the buffet area, but i didn't actually see anyone being removed from the crowd.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Apr 24, 2005 15:02:29 GMT 1
If the stewards had a chat, then they are probably aware of the bottle incident and hopefully some action may be taken. However, the club needs to get to grips with the problem of that crowd whatever. It is quite clear that true fans do not want them there and those idiots have no real interest in football.
Chanting political slogans such as they were doing was clearly geared to seeing if they could creat a response from others in the crowd with the goal being a confrontation. The stewards must have heard that chanting and yet they did nothing to stop it.
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Post by x emz x on Apr 24, 2005 15:05:13 GMT 1
On closer examination the stains on Mrs Tolleys skirt looked nothing like coca cola hahaha duncans the one who tried 2 nick it....
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Post by pawlo on Apr 24, 2005 15:09:41 GMT 1
The stewards must have heard that chanting and yet they did nothing to stop it. Do the stewards actually no what that no surrender chant is all about, is it offensive? Ive never heard it being sung so dont know, or if i have, it hasnt registered. Dont like to play devils advocate, but is it more inflammatory than "we'll take the station and all thats in it,go get your boots on, be there in a minute, with bottles and hammers, hatchets and spanners........................................ What is it about no surrender that is offensive? Serious question.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2005 15:17:10 GMT 1
I don't find the chant offensive (pointless, yes), but each to their own I guess.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 24, 2005 15:27:15 GMT 1
As said earlier I think in the thread it is the Anthem of ebf/combat18, one of the reasons why my brother doesn't like the riverside, he still sports a partial ebf tattoo on his head, a doc martin boot foot print
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Post by pawlo on Apr 24, 2005 15:34:29 GMT 1
As said earlier I think in the thread it is the Anthem of ebf/combat18, one of the reasons why my brother doesn't like the riverside, he still sports a partial ebf tattoo on his head, a doc martin boot foot print Sorry meoleshrew, i have this awafull habit of not reading a whole thread, just the last page.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 24, 2005 15:43:24 GMT 1
Sorry meoleshrew, i have this awafull habit of not reading a whole thread, just the last page. its still sung at England matches, and boo'd kids even the older members mental age of a gnat
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2005 16:18:41 GMT 1
Couple of points here guys,
I find the IRA song very offensive, purley because none of the tossers who sing it have any idea of the foundation of the IRA, and have never faced anyone in the IRA, i have been (along with many other soldiers there no 1 target, which incidently involves my family, for 20 years) they have no right to sing that song and any of those knobs confronted by even the lowliest member of the IRA, and they would be off like a dirty shirt.......they have both no idea why they are singing it or the bottle to stand on the streets of andersontown and spout this crap.
As for the stewards, I do a little bit of stewarding at various grounds, so would consider my self to have a little more knowledge than most, I think that the 2 yesterday done a superb job, considering A) the wages they are paid, and B) the environment they have to work in. how many punches would you take for 15 quid for 5 hours work?? they confronted the group but could not identify the knob who thrrew it. Remember you get what you pay for. you want top class stewards you pay top class wages...
By the green guide STFC would just about cover there safety Certificate requirements, but i would suggest that at least another 20 are required. alos what is required next year is going to hit STFC and many other smaller clubs very hard. a football club wants its revenue to go towards the team affairs not stewarding. so do u want a team that does well and have a few weak stewards or a mediocre team with the best stewarding operation that is to envied... remember a steward can only be guarenteed 115 hours per year......
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Post by Guest on Apr 24, 2005 16:21:14 GMT 1
alos what is required next year is going to hit STFC and many other smaller clubs very hard. What is required next year?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2005 16:29:03 GMT 1
Security industry act 2001 requires that all securtity stewards are conflict management trained, and a minimum of CRB checked, add to this the requirement for the New Certificate in event day safety which replaces the FSQ, all in all it is about 60 hours teaching, this STFC stewards will all need to attend, and probably attend unpaid, then 2 live event assesments, the administration costs are huge.....CRB check alone costs around 40 per head, then you have registration, exam and certification costs per candidate.......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2005 16:30:09 GMT 1
Sorry meoleshrew, i have this awafull habit of not reading a whole thread, just the last page. Did you do that with the Labour manifesto as well?
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Post by Guest on Apr 24, 2005 16:32:35 GMT 1
Security industry act 2001 requires that all securtity stewards are conflict management trained, and a minimum of CRB checked, add to this the requirement for the New Certificate in event day safety which replaces the FSQ, all in all it is about 60 hours teaching, this STFC stewards will all need to attend, and probably attend unpaid, then 2 live event assesments, the administration costs are huge.....CRB check alone costs around 40 per head, then you have registration, exam and certification costs per candidate....... Thanks
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Post by pawlo on Apr 24, 2005 16:44:50 GMT 1
Did you do that with the Labour manifesto as well? Tit
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Post by Guest on Apr 24, 2005 18:14:37 GMT 1
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 24, 2005 18:54:45 GMT 1
Did you do that with the Labour manifesto as well? Pab wrote it
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Post by jbroch803 on Apr 24, 2005 18:59:57 GMT 1
I have just noticed that you have praised the Rochdale stewards. We get a lot of complaints about them because they make you sit down although they usually leave it when there is a lot of away fans. Always nice to see a compliment instead of a complaint.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Apr 24, 2005 19:05:10 GMT 1
I have just noticed that you have praised the Rochdale stewards. We get a lot of complaints about them because they make you sit down although they usually leave it when there is a lot of away fans. Always nice to see a compliment instead of a complaint. I think they got in the spirit of things, fancy dress. Although one female was a bit grumpy
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Post by fao HMAregarding your mess on Apr 24, 2005 20:39:56 GMT 1
regarding your message what the **** has the IRA got to do with Shrewsbury.?? Where you not about a few years ago when the IRA bombed shrews castle and tern hill barrocks, you pr**k, no wonder people sing the no surrender song, it's closer to home than you realise. Terrorism needs stamping out and gets publicised at football matches as it's a powerful media tool. clever stuff if you ask me, i know a lot of clever people who feel stongly about the IRA , don't underestimate people.
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Post by jamo on Apr 24, 2005 20:45:18 GMT 1
i know a lot of clever people who feel stongly about the IRA , don't underestimate people. I take it you're not one of them.
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Post by pawlo on Apr 24, 2005 20:47:50 GMT 1
In honesty, i dont think HMA ( ? geof ) is that old, and infact, most of the planks singing the song arnt old enough to remember either.
Wrexham fans have done more damage to shrewsbury than the IRA did.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Apr 24, 2005 20:48:34 GMT 1
regarding your message what the **** has the IRA got to do with Shrewsbury.?? Where you not about a few years ago when the IRA bombed shrews castle and tern hill barrocks, you pr**k, no wonder people sing the no surrender song, it's closer to home than you realise. Terrorism needs stamping out and gets publicised at football matches as it's a powerful media tool. clever stuff if you ask me, i know a lot of clever people who feel stongly about the IRA , don't underestimate people. HMA was about, but at 6 years of age I doubt it registered.
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Post by chrisj on Apr 24, 2005 20:53:06 GMT 1
I dont stand that close to that lot as most of you know bit seems to me that the booing has only made matters worse - they hardley ever used to sing that untill the booing started Now all the booing has done hes inflamed the situation where its provoked confruntion Not true GP. I started booing it about 5/6 years ago, got a lot of a load of s**t for it ("It's just about patriotism"), eventually others joined in and in time the 'song' almost disappeared. It made a comeback yesterday just because of St George's day, and because most of the braindead tossers singing it were p**sed enough to feel brave. PD is right - they're the most contemptible sort who like to sing about fighting but who'd cack themselves if they ever met a real member of the IRA - they cacked themselves when the big lad (Duncan?) went up to find out about the bottle. Anyway, isn't it those singing C18 songs who've provoked the confrontation, not those of us who don't want to hear that sort of s**t?
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 24, 2005 20:53:57 GMT 1
regarding your message what the **** has the IRA got to do with Shrewsbury.?? Where you not about a few years ago when the IRA bombed shrews castle and tern hill barrocks, you pr**k, no wonder people sing the no surrender song, it's closer to home than you realise. Terrorism needs stamping out and gets publicised at football matches as it's a powerful media tool. clever stuff if you ask me, i know a lot of clever people who feel stongly about the IRA , don't underestimate people. Join the army then before they are completley withdrawn from NI its 13 years since the castle was fire bombed and 16 years since Tern hill and since 1994 the IRA have been at the debating table I believe.
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Post by Salop on Apr 24, 2005 20:54:42 GMT 1
if you've actually seen who sings these songs all around Britain there mostly male 25-40 yrs old, riverside included, the younger lads sing it to look their one of the lads if you get me, i'm not sure if they know what the chant stands for. I'm told the club don't like the song!! however i'm not too fussed on the easy, easy chant.
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Post by welshshrew5 on Apr 24, 2005 20:58:34 GMT 1
regarding your message what the **** has the IRA got to do with Shrewsbury.?? Where you not about a few years ago when the IRA bombed shrews castle and tern hill barrocks, you pr**k, no wonder people sing the no surrender song, it's closer to home than you realise. Terrorism needs stamping out and gets publicised at football matches as it's a powerful media tool. clever stuff if you ask me, i know a lot of clever people who feel stongly about the IRA , don't underestimate people. So to summarise then, the Riverside continues to publicise the war on terrorism, and is helping resolve the troubles in Northern Ireland? A perfectly legitimate view. But unfortunately, has made you look like a total tit.
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