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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Oct 13, 2006 18:37:08 GMT 1
I share Jamo's views on the kit issue. When I close my eyes and think of STFC I see Arthur Rowley, Peter Broadbent, Alf Wood etc playing in blue and white.
I wasn't fussed when we changed to blue and amber and have grown to like it - unique as many of you say - but I wont be bothered if we change back.
It seems to me the issue is more lack of communication and consultation and I can understand the frustration and anger of those of you who worked so hard to help the club overcome objections to the new stadium.
As I have said many times in the past, the fans need to take a stake in the ownership of the club, it's the best way to get an input into decision making.
When the trust was set up I thought that this should be its number 1 objective and am disappointed that no progress has been made in this direction.
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Post by blum on Oct 13, 2006 18:41:53 GMT 1
For me I would prefer Blue & Amber (maybe sponsored by The West Bromwich Building Society, sponsors of the Amber Blue Account lol). Seriously though if it's down purely to cost then I think that is a shame, a brand new stadium with carte blanch (?) and the board decide white is cheaper ... There is a point to be made however, apologies if it was included in the last 8 (Eight) pages coz i didnt have time to read them all....BUT... bums on seats would make the argument irrelevant, if the grounds not full we take it upon ourselves to sit on a white one then no one will ever know..
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Post by Blue_is_the_colour on Oct 13, 2006 19:20:26 GMT 1
Thats not really the point though, wether there are bums on the seats,
Weve waited for aslong as i can remember for this new stadium to be built, and this stadium is going to be apart of STFC for a lot longer than most of us will be alive to go there - so why cant we have it right!
Were only going to get one chance!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2006 20:11:12 GMT 1
Does anyone have a rough idea how much the club will be spending on the seating? How much would blue, white and amber cost per unit? Could the cost difference be something that the B&A community can raise the cash to cover or would be be talking a number of thousands?
How many amber seats do we have in the main stand at the moment? Could they be recycled and used in the New Meadow?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2006 20:18:47 GMT 1
Does anyone have a rough idea how much the club will be spending on the seating? How much would blue, white and amber cost per unit? Could the cost difference be something that the B&A community can raise the cash to cover or would be be talking a number of thousands? How many amber seats do we have in the main stand at the moment? Could they be recycled and used in the New Meadow? Craig, it ain't a cost issue mate. It's simply because Roland prefers Blue and White. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2006 20:23:00 GMT 1
Will Roland admit that though or will the club use the "it's to save money" line? If so and someone steps in to offer to cover the difference then would the club turn it down?
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Post by Blue_is_the_colour on Oct 13, 2006 20:29:27 GMT 1
Thats a fair point, if it was possible for us to calculate a rough difference of the cost between Amber and White seating, - im sure that combined we could all raise more than enough to get amber seating.
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Post by jaytee on Oct 13, 2006 23:10:43 GMT 1
mattsnap2 mentioned Wolves. When the first stand was built, I believe it was the John Ireland stand, the seats were RED! I remember, because I lived in the street which was demolished to build that stand. And guess what, there was so much muttering from fans, they changed them. Can we start a thread, so that people who have written to the Club to complain, can register it, and we can gauge the opinion? Or have I had another s**t idea.
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Post by scooter on Oct 14, 2006 0:54:56 GMT 1
mattsnap2 mentioned Wolves. When the first stand was built, I believe it was the John Ireland stand, the seats were RED! I remember, because I lived in the street which was demolished to build that stand. And guess what, there was so much muttering from fans, they changed them. Can we start a thread, so that people who have written to the Club to complain, can register it, and we can gauge the opinion? Or have I had another sh!t idea. Wasn't it Molineux Street that was demolished ? I liked the old stand, it was very distinctive
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Post by guest on Oct 14, 2006 1:09:47 GMT 1
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Post by guest on Oct 14, 2006 1:15:01 GMT 1
and the replacement with red seats
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Post by guest on Oct 14, 2006 1:23:10 GMT 1
mattsnap2 mentioned Wolves. When the first stand was built, I believe it was the John Ireland stand, the seats were RED! I remember, because I lived in the street which was demolished to build that stand. Can you spot your house?
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Post by braindead on Oct 14, 2006 1:49:28 GMT 1
As I said, whilst i don't doubt Rolands financial impetus has helped the club I refuse to buy into the fact that the club would have gone down the pan owing to £900K....
Walton was sold 3 months after we got relegated or £500k+, and as ever there were players at the club which could have been hawked around, the wage bill could have reduced.
Most importantly two/three/four factors would have prevented the club dissappearing
1) being that the ground is on prime time development land in the middle of the town (regardless of the covenant)
2) someone always steps in to take over the mantle
3)£900K do me a favour, as has been seen before and since, clubs like Wolves and Bradford have wracked up far greater losses and still pulled through, hell even wrexham managed to survive what looked a game over scenario...
4)For £900K the club would simply have found another lending facility, there is always someone willing to step in...
As for us being in that position because the bigger clubs were screwing the smaller ones, that started back in 86/87 when the big clubs forced the hand of the league and not only managed to keep half of the tv money (for the top flight) but also managed to retain their gate receits.
Thats where it went wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2006 8:17:58 GMT 1
As I said, whilst i don't doubt Rolands financial impetus has helped the club I refuse to buy into the fact that the club would have gone down the pan owing to £900K.... Walton was sold 3 months after we got relegated or £500k+, and as ever there were players at the club which could have been hawked around, the wage bill could have reduced. Most importantly two/three/four factors would have prevented the club dissappearing 1) being that the ground is on prime time development land in the middle of the town (regardless of the covenant) 2) someone always steps in to take over the mantle 3)£900K do me a favour, as has been seen before and since, clubs like Wolves and Bradford have wracked up far greater losses and still pulled through, hell even wrexham managed to survive what looked a game over scenario... 4)For £900K the club would simply have found another lending facility, there is always someone willing to step in... As for us being in that position because the bigger clubs were screwing the smaller ones, that started back in 86/87 when the big clubs forced the hand of the league and not only managed to keep half of the tv money (for the top flight) but also managed to retain their gate receits. Thats where it went wrong. A good post. Roland helped us out of a very dark hole back in the day. But I also have trouble believing the plug would have been pulled due to a 6 figure sum of debt. And Roland was very lucky between 4 January 2003 and May 2004. Then again, we all were.
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Post by jaytee on Oct 14, 2006 8:49:52 GMT 1
mattsnap2 mentioned Wolves. When the first stand was built, I believe it was the John Ireland stand, the seats were RED! I remember, because I lived in the street which was demolished to build that stand. Can you spot your house? Blimey, That takes me back a bit! It wasn't my house, I was a young lodger there. I used to walk accross the road and watch Wolves reserves in midweek. It was a bad time to be a rival fan.. On Saturday, it wasn't wise to wear my Shrews scarf as I left the house to go to Gay Meadow. Guest, you may well remember the subway army.
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Post by Tim on Oct 14, 2006 9:21:38 GMT 1
I can't believe that to save a few quid the club is going to have blue and white seats at the New Meadow. It's a multi-million pound stadium for f sake - just do it properly! I'm afraid this issue is far bigger than just the colour of the seats though - it's obviously part of a major rebranding. I mean would you really want different coloured seats to the home kit? ? I have written to the club and to the Chronicle to express my views on this. The chronicle is a strong campaigning newspaper. I would urge every supporter to email or write to the editor to express their disgust over this. Perhaps they might take it on as a campaign?
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Oct 14, 2006 10:20:52 GMT 1
went to tranmere last night for my sins - on a tangent was amazed how many cars with tranmere stickers were driving down the A5 and filterd out when I got to Oswestry with a few still in Shrews and going on around the ring road as I headed home from Dobbies roundabout - ANYWAY - blue seats with Tranmere in white but ALL the asiles were painted in orange and dare I say it - it looked fine.
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Post by blueandamber on Oct 14, 2006 10:26:16 GMT 1
I've written a letter, and sent it earlier this morning.
I would be happy with amber asiles. but I doubt that will happen.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Oct 14, 2006 11:02:54 GMT 1
they have to be yellow or amber to comply with saftey certificates - what do you doubt it will happen..??
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Post by blueandamber on Oct 14, 2006 11:17:47 GMT 1
We haven't been listened to about the colour of the seats, why should they listen to us about the colour of the aisles?
That is assuming that white seats have been ordered.....
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Post by barrynic on Oct 14, 2006 11:30:27 GMT 1
Could it be that the Town have done some sort of deal with a major company of which their corporate colours are blue and white.
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Post by Choker on Oct 14, 2006 13:52:52 GMT 1
Could it be that the Town have done some sort of deal with a major company of which their corporate colours are blue and white. Heard there will be blue white and red seats. RMW anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2006 18:37:16 GMT 1
BTT cos some pilock unpinned.........
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Post by scooter on Oct 15, 2006 20:35:24 GMT 1
BTT cos some pilock unpinned......... You'll never get to be a moderator
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Post by Salop_Ian on Oct 16, 2006 16:09:45 GMT 1
As I said, whilst i don't doubt Rolands financial impetus has helped the club I refuse to buy into the fact that the club would have gone down the pan owing to £900K.... Walton was sold 3 months after we got relegated or £500k+, and as ever there were players at the club which could have been hawked around, the wage bill could have reduced. Most importantly two/three/four factors would have prevented the club dissappearing 1) being that the ground is on prime time development land in the middle of the town (regardless of the covenant) 2) someone always steps in to take over the mantle 3)£900K do me a favour, as has been seen before and since, clubs like Wolves and Bradford have wracked up far greater losses and still pulled through, hell even wrexham managed to survive what looked a game over scenario... 4)For £900K the club would simply have found another lending facility, there is always someone willing to step in... As for us being in that position because the bigger clubs were screwing the smaller ones, that started back in 86/87 when the big clubs forced the hand of the league and not only managed to keep half of the tv money (for the top flight) but also managed to retain their gate receits. Thats where it went wrong. £900k may not sound like a lot but you’ve got to take into account the size of the debt in relation to turnover. Town has had a very small turnover for a football league club – the last figure I saw quoted in as survey a few years back was £1.2m. On that figure you’d be talking about an overdraft amounting to 75% of turnover and that is unsustainable in any business. Don’t forget, as stated earlier – that it was £900k debt on the back of losing £250k in a GOOD year! Also remember the club had an average attendance around the 2,750 mark at the time. I can see the point that the club would probably have not folded because if RW hadn’t stepped in then somebody else would have. It is possible that a benevolent benefactor would have appeared who would have renewed the club and sent it upwards and onwards like at Doncaster. Alternatively it could have been an asset stripper who was only interested in developing Gay Meadow for personal profit. It’s interesting to mention Wrexham in this context. “Rescued” by people that didn’t have the club’s best interests at heart the club they go through years of turmoil, administration and court actions to try and stay alive. It could have been us!
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Post by adamshrew on Oct 16, 2006 16:19:00 GMT 1
its simply really
BLUE AND AMBER Will only do!
and i cant think for the life of me why it isnt anyway
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Post by adamshrew on Oct 16, 2006 16:21:20 GMT 1
blue and amber
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Post by Carter on Oct 18, 2006 19:09:05 GMT 1
As I said, whilst i don't doubt Rolands financial impetus has helped the club I refuse to buy into the fact that the club would have gone down the pan owing to £900K.... Walton was sold 3 months after we got relegated or £500k+, and as ever there were players at the club which could have been hawked around, the wage bill could have reduced. Most importantly two/three/four factors would have prevented the club dissappearing 1) being that the ground is on prime time development land in the middle of the town (regardless of the covenant) 2) someone always steps in to take over the mantle 3)£900K do me a favour, as has been seen before and since, clubs like Wolves and Bradford have wracked up far greater losses and still pulled through, hell even wrexham managed to survive what looked a game over scenario... 4)For £900K the club would simply have found another lending facility, there is always someone willing to step in... As for us being in that position because the bigger clubs were screwing the smaller ones, that started back in 86/87 when the big clubs forced the hand of the league and not only managed to keep half of the tv money (for the top flight) but also managed to retain their gate receits. Thats where it went wrong. A good post. Roland helped us out of a very dark hole back in the day. But I also have trouble believing the plug would have been pulled due to a 6 figure sum of debt. And Roland was very lucky between 4 January 2003 and May 2004. Then again, we all were. Whether on not Wycherley saved the club, there would definately be NO club without the fans... This always seemd to be forgotton whenever someone (esp Sayfritz) harps on about 'Saviour' Wycherley....
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Post by NeathShrew on Oct 18, 2006 21:36:16 GMT 1
Just a thought - if you ever watch the goals highlights on Sky and Torquay or Mansfield's stadiums are featured, they have some prominent yellow (a bit like faded amber, really!) seats which are usually mostly empty. Boy, do they stand out as looking empty!
Empty dark seats don't look "as empty". I cite Swansea's Morfa Stadium which has mostly dark grey (almost black) seats with a few white ones to spell out the names of the football and rugby teams - the empty white ones stand out, the dark grey empty ones look almost filled.
So, on those grounds alone, I'd join the lobby for all (dark) blue seats, and amber aisles. No spelling out the STFC or SALOP in any colour - personalise the stadium as Salop's with the blue and amber kit, get some blue and amber into the decor of the stadium itself, but not the seats.
I know we'd all like 10,000 turning up every match to cover over all the the seats ... but we do know that it can't happen every time. Full house for the Johnson Paints trophy 1st Round? End of season games whilst in mid-table (not Cola League 2, of course!). Even 6 - 7,000 crowds will leave an awful lot of empty seats towards the 4 corners.
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Post by handsoffmeadowenjoyment on Oct 24, 2006 15:16:01 GMT 1
Could it be that the Town have done some sort of deal with a major company of which their corporate colours are blue and white. Heard there will be blue white and red seats. RMW anyone? apparently not.
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