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Apr 25, 2006 12:58:44 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2006 12:58:44 GMT 1
Me plug My-Com? according to some I have neither the education or the intelligence too Have a look at the back of your new season ticket when you get it. Ask George to call me and I will come over for a chat.See you later. Ok mate, heading over there for about 4.30
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salopboy
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Apr 25, 2006 13:23:16 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 13:23:16 GMT 1
The old 'racist' thug', 'criminal' tag doesn't fit anymore -(if it ever really did at all) That just about sums it up for me ! Nick Griffin still denies the holocaust actually happened The Jewish holocaust? - I believe Nick Griffin changed his opinion about this some time ago. Certainly not anti-semitic - I saw an Jewish lady BNP councillor being interviewd on Sky news the other day. As for holocausts -What about the 21st century holocaust that's going on right now in Iraq? An estimated hundred thousand men, women and children have been slaughtered because of Blair's lust for power.The tories might be changing their stance on Iraq now that they've seen how unpopular this campaign has become -but they backed Blair's decision to attack Iraq to the hilt. Blair and his mob - by definition are war criminals and those in the tory 'opposition' who backed him aren't much better. So please don't compare something that Nick Griffin supposedly stated some time ago with Blairs crusade for oil that has resulted in thousands of Iaqi dead - as well as over one hundred of our own lads.
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Apr 25, 2006 13:26:51 GMT 1
Post by ChrisJ nli on Apr 25, 2006 13:26:51 GMT 1
So why raise that point that "90% of conflict is down to Islam" if it isn’t relevant or accurate? It’s absurd to suggestion that "90% of conflict is down to Islam". However, I can’t recall anyone on B&A suggesting that this is indeed the case? You posted this, no one else. Again, you seem to be making assumptions as to why some people maybe looking to vote BNP. My point is that I believe there are many different reasons why some people maybe looking to vote BNP and not because they are racist or that they believe such absurd statements as the one you mention about Islam. Really? What about this? - Didn't the BNP have a sikh to front their electron broadcast once, or have I got the wrong party? Yes they did -There's a suprisingly high number of black and Asian people who've said that they'll be voting BNP this year. I saw a clip on Sky news last week with a BNP canvasser knocking doors on a housing estate somewhere down south. Of the five houses he called on one person gave him the knock-back and the other four told him they'll be voting BNP -three of these people were Asian! Uncontrolled immigration has brought misery to millions in this country -black, white and Asian. Also Islamic hardliners have been allowed to grow powerful over the years - while both Labour and Conservative governments have lacked the guts to tackle this head on. Islam has a long bloody history -it's also responsible for about 90% of the conflicts in the world right now. There are few people better qualified than the Sikhs to give us an insight into the true nature of Islam- given the mass slaughter of the Sikh people at the hands of Islamists. So I suppose a Sikh gent on a BNP party political broadcast makes sense. May I assume an apology? I consider myself someone is more than willing to listen and understand someone point of view that differs from my own. If you can’t do that with regards to the BNP, then fair enough. I would rather have my attitude than someone who makes sweeping generalisations, assumptions and pigeon holes people at the drop of a hat because they see a need (because of the situation they find themselves in) to vote for one political party rather than another. For me, folk like you are just a dangerous as the racists who follow the BNP... Really? Then you have no idea just how dangerous these people are... Can you really not look at recent history and see what happens when you start treating people according to their racial category? I am neither a follower of the BNP or would I ever consider voting for them but I am very interested in why some people maybe now looking to vote BNP. If some people feel alienated by the three main parties and the BNP are the only party speaking to them on matters that concern them, then I can understand why they would vote for them… But earlier on in this thread you wrote: Sommats not right and if folk believe that a vote for the BNP is the only way they can get the issues that they are concerned about onto the political agenda then so be it and good luck to them. So for me, this is not a wasted vote for those who vote for the BNP if they get the result they seek...which is to get their concerns discussed and addressed... I do not see the point of slagging off the BNP, that’s easy. The real issue that needs to be discussed is why so many people may now be looking to vote for them. I do wish folk would stop going off about those who are looking to vote for the BNP, you may not experience the problems or share the concerns that some in this country do... Sounds as if many people on here think it’s an instant requirement to have a pop at anyone who suggests they are voting BNP. It doesn’t make people who vote for the BNP racist, it means they have concerns that only one political party seems to be willing to discuss with them... 'Good luck' to people who vote BNP? Hmmmm. Maybe you didn't intend it to come out that way, but that reads about as supportive of the BNP and their supporters as it can be without actually saying so. I am probably the most open-minded person you will ever meet. I really annoy many people by my refusal to be judgemental on most issues. I can normally see both sides beyond what is reasonable. Racism IMO is one of those rare cases where there isn't another side. I also believe in telling the truth so far as is possible and I believe there are more lies told on this issue than in just about any other area of political discourse. And I repeat, suport for the BNP is support for racists. Kickinpretty - I'm white British. I have friends and relatives who are not. It is irrelevant to my moral stance on racism. I do enter discussions on immigration and make no apology as I think it's important. As I said, this is the sort of forum on which people like the BNP 'test the water' and see what they can get away with. So, IMO it's important to challenge them as robustly as possible. Jonah - if there was genuinely no threat intended, I apologise for implying you might be using one. Nor did I intend to impugn your educational attainment (check out my posts on intelligence if you can find them) and yes, there are, and have been many crap schools (and teachers). I went to one myself. I've worked in one and have no time for timewasters who let children down. I do believe however that you have a narrow outlook and this is what I was referring to. I was frankly angered by your earlier post, especially in the context of some of your past efforts. Generally, so far as insults are concerned, I've found in the past that many members of this board use abuse, headbanging smilies etc as a substitue for rational argument. (As risible as I find his football opinions, Messiah has been a classic victim of this.) I use it at least to accompany an argument. If however there is a new board agreement that we all abide by, so will I. But I'll not do the double standards thing where others can say what they like, but I have to stick to drawing room decorum. Right, lunchtime over, back to work.
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Apr 25, 2006 13:46:53 GMT 1
Post by Jonah guest on Apr 25, 2006 13:46:53 GMT 1
'I do believe however that you have a narrow outlook and this is what I was referring to. I was frankly angered by your earlier post, especially in the context of some of your past efforts'.
Sure you have the right Jonah?
Sorry mate but you really do need to get a bit more rational with your thoughts and indeed get to know a few more people on here a little better before you fire off.
I have tried to explain to you before that my business involves contact with many nationalities and religions.I have friends/business contacts in many countries who I have a great deal of respect for.
This doesnt stop me having concerns about what is happening around me.
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Apr 25, 2006 14:29:25 GMT 1
Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 25, 2006 14:29:25 GMT 1
When people feel that they are disenfranchised and that their concerns are not being represented they either give up on politics or look to fringe parties for answers.
It's not good for democracy and it's what is happening now. The politician who spoke up over the weekend has belatedly realised this, amazing what the prospect of losing power will do!
I really enjoy the ethnic and cultural mix I experience in the South Manchester suburb where I live, however I think the experience of poor white people who live in inner city areas which are dominated by people who do not appear willing to compromise their own language. religion and culture in order to assimilate may be different.
I don't think it is racist to be concerned that the people most affected by immigration are those worst placed to deal with it and I think that it's a major and urgent challenge for both local and national politicians.
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Apr 25, 2006 14:30:07 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 25, 2006 14:30:07 GMT 1
ChrisJ…indeed, apologies. I missed the post with the '90% of the conflicts in the world right now'.
As to for the other points you make…again, I read it that you take as read that everyone who is voting BNP is a racist. This is something I do no believe is true…
If this is the only way that some folk believe they can draw attention to the problems and concerns they have and get them addressed then good on them. If the three main parties are not willing to talk to these people or address the problems they have and if the BNP are and if a vote for the BNP will help to turn this around, then I can understand why they would do it…and good luck to them…
If some people believe this is the best way they can get their voices heard then I can understand why they would look to vote for the BNP. I am not a supporter of the BNP no matter what you read into my posts.
I’ve seen a fair few times on B&A where you have launched attacks, personal attacks at that, at people who disagree with you and you seem apt at tarnishing people with the same brush through nothing more than generalisations. You have me down as a supporter of the BNP, which in turn I guess makes me a racist…laughable. Fair enough on such a topic if you feel so strongly about it. But as I say, folk like you worry me as much as those hardliners within the BNP. You’re as bad as each other…
Racism is repulsive and wicked, I am sure everyone on here would agreed. My point is that an attack on the BNP and its policies is fair enough. However, I think it is harsh to attack those people who may now see a need to vote BNP because of the situation they now find themselves in for reason perhaps we (and perhaps the three major political parties) do not understand or appreciate. I simply do not believe that everyone who may now be turning to the BNP is a racist...
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Apr 25, 2006 15:02:23 GMT 1
Post by WindsorShrew on Apr 25, 2006 15:02:23 GMT 1
That just about sums it up for me ! Nick Griffin still denies the holocaust actually happened So please don't compare something that Nick Griffin supposedly stated some time ago with Blairs crusade for oil that has resulted in thousands of Iaqi dead - as well as over one hundred of our own lads.
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Apr 25, 2006 15:04:29 GMT 1
Post by WindsorShrew on Apr 25, 2006 15:04:29 GMT 1
That just about sums it up for me ! Nick Griffin still denies the holocaust actually happened So please don't compare something that Nick Griffin supposedly stated some time ago with Blairs crusade for oil that has resulted in thousands of Iaqi dead - as well as over one hundred of our own lads. Errrm I didnt compare anything I think your confusing yourself.
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Apr 25, 2006 15:20:59 GMT 1
Post by theNOTORIOUSfbs on Apr 25, 2006 15:20:59 GMT 1
I'm afraid you have to have the likes of the BNP in a democracy. They flare up now and again like their old guise the NF in the 70's but this time they are taking advantage of Joe Public's genuine current affairs concerns.
Immigration A failing NHS which can't cope The loss of our national and social identity etc etc etc
I'm afraid you just have to face the facts that the way we are going the UK is sleepingwalking into segregation. The country cannot cope and people are concerned fron Westminster right down to the humble hamlet. I get bored with people over assessing the risk of the BNP. Common sense prevails in our country and would only allow them a protest wake-up call vote against the inept mainstream parties. Incidently, you hardly ever hear people moaning about the Commies? History has taught us and warned us that they present a more clear and present danger. Genocide attached to Marxist-socialist governments far outweighs the far right. Take a look at Rwanda, Zimbabwe, Chechnya etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
But in all honesty I think the protest vote will happen.
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Apr 25, 2006 16:06:50 GMT 1
Post by thenotoriousfbsoffline on Apr 25, 2006 16:06:50 GMT 1
PS If anyone thinks I am talking bollox about the Marxist genocide:-
300,000 Armenians from 1920
Stalin 300,000 Cossacks
Stalin 17m of his own people during the Red Terror
Mao of China 65 million souls
Cambodia
Yugoslavia
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salopboy
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Apr 25, 2006 16:37:00 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 16:37:00 GMT 1
So please don't compare something that Nick Griffin supposedly stated some time ago with Blairs crusade for oil that has resulted in thousands of Iaqi dead - as well as over one hundred of our own lads. Errrm I didnt compare anything I think your confusing yourself. That line wasn't aimed at you or anyone else in particular -I was speaking out loud-Apologies -I should have made that clear.
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Apr 25, 2006 16:41:22 GMT 1
Post by mikeinsheff on Apr 25, 2006 16:41:22 GMT 1
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salopboy
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Apr 25, 2006 17:03:19 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 17:03:19 GMT 1
Chrisj, Let me make it clear that I am not against any individual muslim -I'm not even against Islam as such. But I recognize the fact that Islam in it's present form (even in many of it's 'moderate' forms) is incompatible with the Western way of life.There are many decent muslim people in the world -I'm well aware of that - but the religion itself is extreme by it's very nature. Does stating this fact make me a hater of muslims? - No, it doesn't because more often than not it is the muslim people themselves who suffer for their religion .... and besides, as I've stated a number of times, I've always been opposed to the war with Iraq.
Most conflict in the world right now is either between muslims and non muslims or muslims and muslims -it's a fact. Take Sudan for example.... Do you have a clue what's going on there right now.If you want to talk about real racism then read about the plight of the black Sudanese people - What's more, this is going on right now- Although given the scarce media coverage that the Sudan crises has received, it's easy to pretend it doesn't exist.
Anyway my point is ... due to the extreme nature of Islam and it's incompatibility with Western, democratic societies -I think that the BNP have shown courage by being the only political party to publicly recognize this. Another reason why they could do well in this year's elections
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Apr 25, 2006 17:21:22 GMT 1
Post by stanners on Apr 25, 2006 17:21:22 GMT 1
New sky/yougov poll, 86% believe BNP have a place in British Politics.
55% agree with their 3 main policies:
1. Immigration should be stopped 2. Criminals must serve full sentences 3 British families should have housing priority over immigrant families
Sensible policies for a better Britain
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Apr 25, 2006 17:23:25 GMT 1
Post by kuliloach on Apr 25, 2006 17:23:25 GMT 1
That just about sums it up for me ! Nick Griffin still denies the holocaust actually happened The Jewish holocaust? - I believe Nick Griffin changed his opinion about this some time ago. Certainly not anti-semitic - I saw an Jewish lady BNP councillor being interviewd on Sky news the other day. So please don't compare something that Nick Griffin supposedly stated some time ago with Blairs crusade for oil that has resulted in thousands of Iaqi dead - as well as over one hundred of our own lads. He changed his opinion on the holocaust? No one who ever denied it happening can be respected in any way. The man is an animal.
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Apr 25, 2006 17:24:27 GMT 1
Post by Robin Friday on Apr 25, 2006 17:24:27 GMT 1
exactly how and why is islam incompatible with western life?
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salopboy
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Apr 25, 2006 17:35:48 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 17:35:48 GMT 1
A BBC programme that's fives years old ! - Not like the Beeb to have an agenda eh? Sorry but a few petty crimes committed by (mainly ex) members, a number of years ago doesn't come close to the vile crimes committed by members of the main three political parties. Let's see the long list of convicted thugs, fraudsters and perverts that infest/have infested the Lab/Con/Lib-Dems,
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Apr 25, 2006 17:36:12 GMT 1
Post by shrewslander on Apr 25, 2006 17:36:12 GMT 1
New sky/yougov poll, 86% believe BNP have a place in British Politics. 55% agree with their 3 main policies: 1. Immigration should be stopped 2. Criminals must serve full sentences 3 British families should have housing priority over immigrant families Sensible policies for a better Britain www.yougov.com/archives/pdf/omi060101069_1.pdfYou on about that poll? also the online poll on sky, have BNP supporters nothing better to do than keep pressing the yes vote button repeatedly, never like any poll you can vote again & again on.
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Apr 25, 2006 17:42:56 GMT 1
Post by kuliloach on Apr 25, 2006 17:42:56 GMT 1
A BBC programme that's fives years old ! - Not like the Beeb to have an agenda eh? Sorry but a few petty crimes committed by (mainly ex) members, a number of years ago doesn't come close to the vile crimes committed by members of the main three political parties. Let's see the long list of convicted thugs, fraudsters and perverts that infest/have infested the Lab/Con/Lib-Dems, Name one Lab/con/dems member who has been caught with grenades trying to blow up buildings? Your second in command has
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Apr 25, 2006 17:47:51 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 17:47:51 GMT 1
The Jewish holocaust? - I believe Nick Griffin changed his opinion about this some time ago. Certainly not anti-semitic - I saw an Jewish lady BNP councillor being interviewd on Sky news the other day. So please don't compare something that Nick Griffin supposedly stated some time ago with Blairs crusade for oil that has resulted in thousands of Iaqi dead - as well as over one hundred of our own lads. He changed his opinion on the holocaust? No one who ever denied it happening can be respected in any way. The man is an animal. Then what does that make Blair and x amount of Labour and Tory MPs? Blair is not only a 'holocaust denier' -he's a holocaust creater.If the more Tories would have opposed Blair's decision to ilegally wage war on Iraq, then he might of been stopped. But as instead the Tories backed him all the way. All have played a major part in the slaughter of thousands of Iraqi civillians and the deaths of 103 British soldiers. Get real! what Nick Griffin said a number of years back - or a petty crime committed by a former BNP member twenty years ago doesn't even come close to what these monsters have done
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Apr 25, 2006 18:00:08 GMT 1
Post by kuliloach on Apr 25, 2006 18:00:08 GMT 1
There is no comparison between the war in Iraq and the holocaust. I do not like Blair but he in no way deserves to be compared to Griffin. Carrying grenades is not a petty crime and I don't give a s**t how long ago griffin said it there is no excuse for what he said. I heard him this morning stating how if you are black or Asian you are not British. The man spends his whole life stirring up hatred and if you are stupid enough to think what he says is ok then you really are a prat. People like you make me ashamed to be from salop, ashamed to be English and ashamed to be white.
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Apr 25, 2006 18:00:22 GMT 1
Post by Guest from the west on Apr 25, 2006 18:00:22 GMT 1
gNick Griffin is a rascist thug iwth no redeeeming features that I know of The fact that the party survives and thrives is down to the ineptiude and incompetance and sometines sheer corruptedness of the major parties esp the current government Today we learn that millions of poor people have been overpaid Child Tax Credit and must pay it back Today we learn that over a 1000 foreign criminals including murders drug dealers rapists who should have been deported afterf finishing their sentances prison have been allowed to go free & remain here! It beggars all belief and the loathsome BNP will capitalise on facts like these as some more astute cabinet members realise A tradedy and a farce!
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Apr 25, 2006 18:11:14 GMT 1
Post by Johnny Fairplay on Apr 25, 2006 18:11:14 GMT 1
I won't be voting BNP, but if anyone wants to, good luck to them. This name calling is very boring. It usually means you haven't got a decent argument. I'd hate to be stood next to you lot in the pub, I wouldn.t get a word in!
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Apr 25, 2006 18:13:58 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 18:13:58 GMT 1
"My second in command"? As I've said, I'm a former Tory supporter who now agrees with the BNP and if I was able to I'd most likely vote for them too -Just as 1 in 4 of the British electorate have said that they might do.That doesn't make me a racist nor does it make millions of other would-be BNP voters racist.
I'm not a card-carrying BNP just a realist who's gien up all hope of any of the main three parties taking matters such as immigration in hand.Calling us all 'racists' is piddling in the wind really -because alot of people have had enough of this government's treatment of ordinary (mainly white, working-class) Britons.
Go ahead insult all you want but too many people are just too bloody fed up to be that bothered.
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Apr 25, 2006 18:18:05 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2006 18:18:05 GMT 1
Why are you unable to vote for the BNP?
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Apr 25, 2006 18:20:36 GMT 1
Post by rob on Apr 25, 2006 18:20:36 GMT 1
Salopboy you seem to be getting confused.
The holocaust was a result of a predetermined government policy to address the purcieved issue surrounding jewish people. It was deliberatly and carefully planned, carried out with care (the Nazis kept good records) and then covered up.
Invading another country with the aim of regime change, be it illegal or not, is not comparable to the holocaust, I have to say that i am starting to find your rather illogical comments quite offensive.
Unfortunatly for you, what Nick Griffin does and has said in the past is relevent. He has been the figurehead of your party for so long, and has traditionally been the spokesman on all things BNP. Therefore everything he says, not only in public, but also at your private rallies are of course relevent.
Anyone can put on a front for the cameras and the nation, its what they are really like away from the cameras and press that gives you an insight into their personalities and the make up of the political party. Now what we can see, is that the BNP is a party that is united behind one policy, that policy is centred around nationality, they are a one trick pony, and have a less than sucessful track record when gaining council seats.
As for assylem seekers being granted housing quicker than locals. Well IMO too bloody right, these people have too be given priority,they know no one, they are in a strange country, they have no money and no shelter, anything that can be done to help them acclimatise into the local community and settle in britain should be encouraged. As for people waiting for council housing, how many are actually homeless ?-so they actually have somewhere to live.
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Apr 25, 2006 18:26:03 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 18:26:03 GMT 1
Three recent news headlines:
*Pregnant suicide bomber kill eight
*Killers free to live in UK
*One in four voters would consider voting for the BNP
....has the penny dropped yet?
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Apr 25, 2006 18:33:14 GMT 1
Post by rob on Apr 25, 2006 18:33:14 GMT 1
Thats an interesting statement.
would consider voting for the BNP, so what one in four people have probably considered killing their younger sibbling...doesn't mean they are ever going to though.
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Apr 25, 2006 18:33:49 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2006 18:33:49 GMT 1
Three recent news headlines: *Pregnant suicide bomber kill eight *Killers free to live in UK *One in four voters would consider voting for the BNP ....has the penny dropped yet? Salopboy, what about the White man causing holocausts in Iraq?
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Apr 25, 2006 18:33:54 GMT 1
Post by salopboy on Apr 25, 2006 18:33:54 GMT 1
Holocaust: holos, Whole + kaustos, Burnt . Great destruction of life, esp by fire.
What has any holocaust, 20th or 21st century, got to do with me or the millions of other potential BNP voters? -Nothing! Our concerns are about the crises facing us here in Britain right now.
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