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Post by welshshrew5 on Mar 13, 2006 23:23:18 GMT 1
it is from my point of view and obviously yours but if you step back and look at it from the messiah's point of view,it seems like he wants to see skill,flare and possibly a forward who can score a few goals,a Tony Kelly style of midfielder - when he got the ball there was an air of antipation that you just don,t get with our "battlers" (ok Edwards is getting there) we all want different things from our trip down the Meadow. If the moaners stopped going it would be nearly empty on match days. This though is an entirely different argument to the one of whether the Messiah's initial post was ridiculous (it was by the way :-) and is for another night
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Post by handsoffmeadowenjoyment on Mar 13, 2006 23:31:50 GMT 1
it is from my point of view and obviously yours but if you step back and look at it from the messiah's point of view,it seems like he wants to see skill,flare and possibly a forward who can score a few goals,a Tony Kelly style of midfielder - when he got the ball there was an air of antipation that you just don,t get with our "battlers" (ok Edwards is getting there) we all want different things from our trip down the Meadow. If the moaners stopped going it would be nearly empty on match days. This though is an entirely different argument to the one of whether the Messiah's initial post was ridiculous (it was by the way :-) and is for another night after McClen has set up all 3 goals for our forwards on Saturday,we will not hear from him for a few weeks.
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Post by The messiah on Mar 14, 2006 0:47:52 GMT 1
I got slated in the press in March 2003, when I wanted Ratcliffe out, I was proven right on that occasion, because we subsequently went down. Town fans didnt call for his sacking until the night we went down.!!! I just don`t see any excitement,entertainment, progression. All this cr@p about Rome wasn`t built in a day, and `learning curve`, and `young squad can only get better`, is just rubbish. Football doesnt work like that. Why do people think we will suddenly be challenging for promotion next season. If we lose Joe in goal, as seems likely, it will be even harder than this year. Town fans are the most naive, easily satisfied , fans in the country Right, balls to this then. a) Excitement. Since the turn of the year, did you go to Carlisle away and home, Darlington and Oxford away, Leyton Orient at home, or Peterborough at home? b) Expectations. We have one of the lowest wage bills in the division and this means we have had to build a side on young players or more experienced players who needed a career kick-start. Explain how you would change this. c) Releases. Which players wouldn't you have released and why. d) Achievements. Explain why keeping the football club in the League last year with three weeks to go wasn't a massive achievement given that we were bottom in October. e) Progression. Given that we have signed two excellent centre halves, developed players such as Herd, Ashton, Hart, Langmead and Edwards, in a very short space of time, explain why there is no progression. f) Tell me how much it would cost to sack Gary Peters. Thanks Right here are my answers. a. Went to all the home games, didn`t go to any of the away games. The 3 games you mention were all quite exciting, but the quality of play was very poor, except for the 2nd half against Peterboro, where I accept we were good. The fact that we have failed to beat a team below us, merely proves that Peters teams don`t have the creativity and flair to break down these defensive teams. Bury,Torquay,Macclesfield aare all examples of this B. Not sure where you get your facts about wage bills, but we must pay some decent money to be able to afford players like Sorvel, who was offered another year at Crewe. Money wasted in my opinion. C. wouldnt have released Aiston until I had a better replacement, to let our only winger go, and not bring anyone in until January was criminal. Also wouldn`t have let Ben Smith or Lowe go. Both flair players who would have been more use in the games against the lower teams, at breaking them down with a bit of magic D. Quinn was sacked very early in last season. Although we were bottom, we only needed a couple of wins at that stage to put us up about 8 places. My point is that Peters did a decent job at keeping us up, but that is solely where his skills lie. He is a good manager at stopping relegation, not so good at getting teams promoted, where it needs a bit more nous E. we have taken on some half decent young players, but they are totally unproven and all have neglogible transfer value. The jury is still out on most of his signings, with the exception of ashton,herd and Hope. The experienced players he has signed have by and large dissapointed. My view is that Peters makes a good youth team coach, but can`t seem to get the best out of seasoned pro`s. F. I have no idea, but its proably not as much as you think. I hope that has answered your questions
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Post by gregtheshrew on Mar 14, 2006 0:58:29 GMT 1
Messiah how do you explain the fact that he took Preston up from this division using the same gameplan as he is using now and those same players took that team into the Championship?
You can't as you are a ****ing numptie c***.After the day i have had i am entitled to take it out on a c*** who calls himself the messiah.
God works in ****ing mysterious ways.The .
Off you go TBH.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2006 1:16:17 GMT 1
Messiah, I still struggle to see why you think Paul Merson would be a good appointment as manager of our football club. Surely if PM was manager at Town and we had the results that Walsall had under his leadership you'd be on here calling for his head?
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Post by nickjonesey on Mar 14, 2006 9:32:36 GMT 1
If we take a step back, consider our league position and the massive transformation in 1st team (and squad), is it realistic to expect fluid, sexy football at this stage?
GP said he would be satisfied with mid table this season. Job almost done. If we are not playing more consistently against all comers next season, we will not achieve the playoff place that is the goal.
We will have another four or five new faces between now and next transfer window that could just be the flair and goals we are crying out for.
Keep the faith with The Board and GP and in 12 months time, if we are still mid- table with no prospect of a new ground, we will then really be able to judge and seek change if it is needed.
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Post by Minor on Mar 14, 2006 9:35:45 GMT 1
That was Saturday's squad I think Minor Thank you for that Mr Thomas.
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Post by The messiah on Mar 14, 2006 11:11:35 GMT 1
The funny thing is, I was at uni in Preston between 1992 and 1995, and was a semi regular at deepdale. That was the days of the artificial pitch. Preston did play attacking football, I saw a 5-4 against Bradford,3-3 v Blackpool, 6-2 v Port vale, something like 32 goals in 5 games at 1 point I remember. My mate was doing a journalism degree and Fair play to Peters he arranged a Q an A with him after the game. 11 years on what a transformation. Sells our wingers,stifles our attacking threat, plays 3 centre backs at home ahainst a bottom 3 team. The man is a pale shadow of his former self
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Post by Dale on Mar 14, 2006 11:18:42 GMT 1
I think the only time I've really got annoyed with GP this season was when he disrespected our LDV Trophy game by fielding a inexperienced or 'weakened' side depending on which way you look at it, the final returns to Wembley for next season and I expect him to treat it with a bit more respect, after all we are trading at a loss arent we?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 14, 2006 11:22:26 GMT 1
A member of the executive club just over 30 years of age? That narrows it down a tad.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Mar 14, 2006 11:22:39 GMT 1
You would have been watching John Becks side during those years mainly.
GP took over on the 2nd December 1994 and was moved 'upstairs' in 1998 when David Moyes took over.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 14, 2006 11:25:00 GMT 1
So what if were not an entertaining team over the course of a season, we never have been in my opinion even in the seasons we got promoted from the conference or just missed out on play offs,
Last genuinely season long entertaining year was the League promotion year (and that was ages ago now!!) . All the rest has been average fare…. Still that’s what I love about lower league and this club in general….
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2006 11:28:02 GMT 1
I agree Glyn. We never know what to expect from our teams. We have ups and downs in every season. Hopes are always raised at the start of the season but we are a small club wuth small resources so we will never reach the highest levels in play or league status.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 14, 2006 11:49:50 GMT 1
We all want to see flair players, attacking football and lots of goals, but I feel the realistic option for clubs at our level is organisation and teamwork.
To repeat the argument I used earlier, where do we get the creative and goalscoring players we want?
If they are established players then they will be in demand and out of our financial reach. If GP manages to unearth a gem or 2 from someones reserve or youth team them how long can we keep them?
I was one of the people who liked Aiston and Lowe for their entertainment value, but I had to accept the argument that they did not contribute to a winning League team.
My view is that our best bet is to build a team without stars but capable of grinding out 1 - 0's. If we get promoted as boring, boring Shrewsbury how many will complain?
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Post by The messiah on Mar 14, 2006 12:10:57 GMT 1
We all want to see flair players, attacking football and lots of goals, but I feel the realistic option for clubs at our level is organisation and teamwork. To repeat the argument I used earlier, where do we get the creative and goalscoring players we want? If they are established players then they will be in demand and out of our financial reach. If GP manages to unearth a gem or 2 from someones reserve or youth team them how long can we keep them? I was one of the people who liked Aiston and Lowe for their entertainment value, but I had to accept the argument that they did not contribute to a winning League team. My view is that our best bet is to build a team without stars but capable of grinding out 1 - 0's. If we get promoted as boring, boring Shrewsbury how many will complain? That may satisfy you, but I would hate that. Who wants to be another Cambridge. Whats to stop us playing football and getting promoted. Sout!hend are doing it 2 years running, Crewe have done it for years. Sean of Brosely- yes you are right- executive member at 31 with shares in the club, and a £200,000 mortgage free apartment in the town centre. I would be worried if I was you lot. The boardroom could be beckoning in the next few years!
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Post by MartinB on Mar 14, 2006 12:27:35 GMT 1
We all want to see flair players, attacking football and lots of goals, but I feel the realistic option for clubs at our level is organisation and teamwork. To repeat the argument I used earlier, where do we get the creative and goalscoring players we want? If they are established players then they will be in demand and out of our financial reach. If GP manages to unearth a gem or 2 from someones reserve or youth team them how long can we keep them? I was one of the people who liked Aiston and Lowe for their entertainment value, but I had to accept the argument that they did not contribute to a winning League team. My view is that our best bet is to build a team without stars but capable of grinding out 1 - 0's. If we get promoted as boring, boring Shrewsbury how many will complain? That may satisfy you, but I would hate that. Who wants to be another Cambridge. Whats to stop us playing football and getting promoted. Sout!hend are doing it 2 years running, Crewe have done it for years. Sean of Brosely- yes you are right- executive member at 31 with shares in the club, and a £200,000 mortgage free apartment in the town centre. I would be worried if I was you lot. The boardroom could be beckoning in the next few years! Try comparing Southend's finances and ours. Do you think we can afford players like Shaun Goater, Spencer Prior, Efe Sodje, Lee Bradbury, Kevin Maher? They have also been very lucky in the low number of injuries they have suffered over the past two years. Add on to that not paying the rent on their ground and it's a different ball game.
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Post by indianwells on Mar 14, 2006 12:28:45 GMT 1
We play unatractive "Hoofball" at Grimsby these days but if we win at Rochdale tonight we go top. Yes it would be nice to play flowing,attractive football but getting out of this league is more important.Horses for courses and all that.
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Post by The messiah on Mar 14, 2006 12:32:42 GMT 1
I agree getting promoted is some consolation for playing ugly football.But we are playing ugly football, and are not getting the results to back it up
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Post by Messiah Messiah Messiah on Mar 14, 2006 12:34:11 GMT 1
Sean of Brosely- yes you are right- executive member at 31 with shares in the club, and a £200,000 mortgage free apartment in the town centre. I would be worried if I was you lot. The boardroom could be beckoning in the next few years! [/quote]
Why should we be worried, you know everything Messiah. Hoaxer Fool
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 14, 2006 12:35:46 GMT 1
I agree getting promoted is some consolation for playing ugly football.But we are playing ugly football, and are not getting the results to back it up Because you are so wealthy and so important why don't you just ring up Roland and complain to him? What has the value of your home got to do with your opinions on what to expect from a financially prudent league two club which is developing a youthful team ?
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Post by jamo on Mar 14, 2006 12:36:01 GMT 1
I would be worried if I was you lot. The boardroom could be beckoning in the next few years! Scared we just well may be if your contributions on this thread are an indication of your judgement. Think we'll stick with Roland thanks.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Mar 14, 2006 12:37:22 GMT 1
The extent of personal detail in that post fingers one person. In which case the posts are a hoax.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2006 12:49:10 GMT 1
The extent of personal detail in that post fingers one person. In which case the posts are a hoax. The IP address on that post is also much different to the Messiah's last few posts. Messiah - I suggest you register so someone can't impersonate you
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Post by The messiah on Mar 14, 2006 13:16:17 GMT 1
All posts on here came from me the Messiah. Some of the earlyones may be from my works laptop.
The Messiah only tells the truth, there are no lies, no exaggerations.
The Messiah is here to stay.
I will not be registering for safety reasons
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 14, 2006 13:21:10 GMT 1
I will not be registering for safety reasons Don't you feel safe in your £200,000 town centre apartment? You don't even have to worry about interest rates now you don't have a mortgage! I am currently drinking some pressed apple juice which I bought from a national supermarket chain. It cost £1.14. I just thought I would share that to add credence to what I think about Gary Peters.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 14, 2006 13:25:32 GMT 1
I will not be registering for safety reasons Don't you feel safe in your £200,000 town centre apartment? You don't even have to worry about interest rates now you don't have a mortgage! I am currently drinking some pressed apple juice which I bought from a national supermarket chain. It cost £1.14. I just thought I would share that to add credence to what I think about Gary Peters. If thats the case I had a bacon Roll this morning, its cost one pound fifty I think Gary Peters is great.... notworthy
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Post by The messiah on Mar 14, 2006 13:32:45 GMT 1
The messiah did not wish to sound arrogant and big headed, he was merely answering those who questioned whether he was an executive member at 30. Whether someone has money or doesn`t is completely irrelevant to their views. I know my views may be in a minority, but I have answered all the questions thrown at me to the best of my ability.
Those are my views, eventually I believe I will be proved right, but if im not then fine, that means Town will be doing well. We shall see......
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Post by IRJBA Elsewhere on Mar 14, 2006 13:34:08 GMT 1
Only black coffee for me and I don't own any property at all. I clearly don't know anything about football at all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2006 13:37:03 GMT 1
I've got two cats and rent a tip of a house in Telford if that helps?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 14, 2006 13:46:06 GMT 1
The messiah did not wish to sound arrogant and big headed, he was merely answering those who questioned whether he was an executive member at 30. Whether someone has money or doesn`t is completely irrelevant to their views. I know my views may be in a minority, but I have answered all the questions thrown at me to the best of my ability. Those are my views, eventually I believe I will be proved right, but if im not then fine, that means Town will be doing well. We shall see...... Its pretty easy to sit back and say i think the manager is not doing an entertaining job and will be sacked...... Eventually its bound to happen, and you can say i told you so.... WOW!!!
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