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Post by Stue_P on Feb 5, 2004 20:33:51 GMT 1
I got this off confguide. And i reckon it would be a cracking idea for the town. I'd definatly buy them if it was a good game! Plugging away with the matchday DVDs sturdy himself [ martinlea@blueyonder.co.uk ] Thu Feb 5 17:22:25 2004 authenticated user: STURDY HIMSELF (id=858) [ views 137 ] [ Message 91641, follow-up to none - post followup ] Ive proved this works. I now produce the Matchday DVDs for Donny and a few others, and at Donny they are the second biggest seller after replica kits. Whats the problem you ask? Football Clubs Admin. i'm trying no to deal with the Conference direct as i reckon they'll only put money on top so the clubs will make less cash themselves. if ideal with the clubs they can make the profit on this and the fans can have all the best home games on DVD (and sell the losses to the team that beat them still making money, lol) i provide them on a gorgeous printed DVD, Club Badged Sleeve with your players on, Photo Slideshows as a DVD extra, a teamsheet menu and even shrink wrapped and every club i speak too sees the profit margin in them. They are even xbox and PS2 compatible. But can i get the clubs to get it sorted? No, it gets put on the back burner and not done with everyone (only Scarboro, Sc***horpe and Morecambe are getting it sorted.) Its as simple as them to send me a VHS of the game and some photos and giving it a chance with just a batch of 10 and watch them fly off the shelves. I even keep a master copy so they can just email me and ill stick another 10 or whatever in the post. Im trying to get this sorted with Conference clubs because most of you know i was happiest in the Conference and its my way back in. Do me a favour, send them my website addy or email address www.tape2dvdr.co.uk info@tape2dvdr.co.uk and tell them you'd buy them (if you would) and to at least talk to me rather than just dismissing it as Spam. Cheers man who has been trying to deal with football clubs admin Sturdy. [edited by sturdy himself Thu Feb 5 17:22:35 2004] [ post followup ]
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Post by kickinpretty on Feb 5, 2004 21:25:22 GMT 1
Things are already in the pipeline for this kind of thing so dont worry, it will be done by Shrewsbury for Shrewsbury, the more people involved the more people cream off, the less the club makes.
Next season may well see DVD's available, you will have to wait and see.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 5, 2004 22:22:53 GMT 1
So...does that mean they will be or they won't be? What kind of answer is that Kickin our kid? As to whether I'd be interested depends, of course, on the price...defo appealing to us exiles mind...
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Post by LeeTUFC on Feb 5, 2004 22:51:55 GMT 1
Things are already in the pipeline for this kind of thing so dont worry, it will be done by Shrewsbury for Shrewsbury, the more people involved the more people cream off, the less the club makes. Next season may well see DVD's available, you will have to wait and see. thats not a nice thing to say, as your implying that sturdy is only doing it for personal gain but as a lover of conference football he is trying to help conf clubs make money - he said he wouldnt do a personal copy for me as hwe wanted to make the club money through the videos they have i think we should applaud him not try and suggest he just wants to make money
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Post by ginboomerang on Feb 5, 2004 23:00:49 GMT 1
would be a top seller if we can persuade Amanda Holden to do a topless autograph signing session.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2004 0:00:37 GMT 1
thats not a nice thing to say, as your implying that sturdy is only doing it for personal gain but as a lover of conference football he is trying to help conf clubs make money - he said he wouldnt do a personal copy for me as hwe wanted to make the club money through the videos they have i think we should applaud him not try and suggest he just wants to make money I don't think Kickin's suggested that Lee. I think he's suggesting that if the same idea was implemented by Shrewsbury Town then all of the profit goes to Shrewsbury Town as opposed to some of it being out-sourced.
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Post by kickinpretty2 on Feb 6, 2004 0:17:00 GMT 1
Stutty, what im saying is that it has been discussed at the club and an opportunity may arise in the near future for the club to do DVD's of home games for next season.
Ant is correct Lee, what is the point in employing a third party when DVD production could be offered to the club @cost.
The sale of DVD's would IMHO be a huge money spinner for the club and even more so if they can get them for cost price.
I did notice a figure of £6 per DVD on his site, to be fair he has to make a living, but that sort of cost isnt a good enough deal for STFC, the whole point of the exercise is that they make a decent profit out of it.
If you cut that price by 3/4 then you will arrive at a cost price figure so you can see that there is a huge differance in potential revenues earned from that guys deal and a deal already being discussed albeit at a very early stage, it may not even happen.
What would you do Lee? Go for cost price or this other guys deal?
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Post by LeeTUFC on Feb 6, 2004 0:18:11 GMT 1
fair enough but there's only one guy doing it and he wants to do it to make money for conference clubs so think he deserved a bit of recognition for it
sorry for sounding harsh kickin
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Post by ginboomerang on Feb 6, 2004 0:20:00 GMT 1
an unfair question, is he a loyal devoted fan promoting his club, or is he a profiteering snake?
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Post by kickinpretty2 on Feb 6, 2004 0:20:12 GMT 1
No Probs Lee, but i would suggest at £6 a time hes actually making a bit of cash for himself - But like i said hes got to earn a living.
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Post by stury himself on Feb 6, 2004 1:02:13 GMT 1
"Things are already in the pipeline for this kind of thing so dont worry, it will be done by Shrewsbury for Shrewsbury, the more people involved the more people cream off, the less the club makes."
how long as it been in the pipeline? this is the point. the difference is I've DONE it and produced them for third division clubs, who have already banked the money from them.
At 6 quid a time i do make a profit, but as an example every production company you will speak too will charge you 18 quid per dvd (How do i know?where do you think i get my tech skill from?) So for the rest of the season you will not make any money out of this while Barnet, who signed up today realising how good the deal was will.
Now there's good business sense, lol.
I only intend to work for 10 clubs, ive alredy signed 4 so im half way there. There is every possibility that
A: your idea wil lsimply waste away into nothing and not happen. B: The person you think will do it doesnt have my experience and doesnt know how to get 96% compatability from a DVDr (its tricky) or how to digitally transition menus professionally, etc etc.
No one makes any money by saying "we're already looking at this for next season possibly maybe"
I'm saying ive already done it, ive already proven it works and the clubs i'm working for are already making the money becasue of the fact I already did it, not planned to think about it, lol.
Another Confrence club ahs decided to do it themselves, they are going to charge 19 quid for a product that i can gaurantee is inferior to mine because i know how they are doing it.
100% profit isnt a good enough deal for STFC, so you opt for none? Or a possibility of some profit next season?
there is a big difference between buying cheap DVDR disks, and producng a professionaly authored and packaged product.
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Post by mattsnapper V21 on Feb 6, 2004 1:09:38 GMT 1
sorry - but
you get what you pay for
VHS to DVD..? u having a joke.?
VHS is only 18.5% of the raw signal hitting the chip once its passed through the lens of the camera
and home produced DVDs dont normally last for more than 5 months cause of dust proplems
sorry I disagree
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Post by Pilch on Feb 6, 2004 1:13:13 GMT 1
i have to agree with matt
i can capture vhs onto the pc
and to be honest it is s**te
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Post by sturdy himself on Feb 6, 2004 1:14:31 GMT 1
Im sorry, I've just read the 3/4 of £6 bit.
your fans are going to love that product when they see what the other clubs are getting.
And i'm genuinely not being arrogant or clever when i say that. Doncaster tried a few cheapo cost cutting methods but the returns and fan complaints was why i got involved, lol.
I won't contact Shrewsbury after all ( I was going too) but honestly good luck with it, I'm not after conquering the world with this football side as I get paid for the other stuff.
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Post by sturdy himself on Feb 6, 2004 1:20:15 GMT 1
"i have to agree with matt
i can capture vhs onto the pc
and to be honest it is sh*te "
you need to adjust your precog ability mate, who said anything about capturing to a P.C
actually i normally work in Digibeta (industry Standard) but football clubs just cant provide it.
DV comes second i guess, but you cant expect a club to sacrifice its originals. So I get the source the ckub sends me, you thnk i worship VHS, lol. Very negative insulting people here arent you, and very very sure of your technical superiority over someone youve never met.
No, you just insult and diss the idea, no problem. it wasnt me who started this thread here and I've provided a service (that you could obviously do better but never got round to).
Like i said, Shrewsbury ar happy with 100% of nothing profit, maybe at least this post will galvanise all you people into doing a better job than me of the enxt home game, and ill buy one with interest.
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Post by LeeTUFC on Feb 6, 2004 1:22:09 GMT 1
'ave 'em sturdy!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2004 1:23:38 GMT 1
Calm down calm down Sturdy.
Pilch didn't insult anyone - rather he gave an opinion on a process. Evidently he wasn't correct, but he certainly wasn't insulting anyone.
For the record I do agree with what has been said to date on this thread. I appreciate what you're trying to do Sturdy but until the club's own DVD production starts I'm sure the sales of VHSs of the games will continue to bring in some money.
Mattsnapper also has a lot of knowledge in this field Sturdy, and Kickin knows what he's on about too. I'm sure STFC will do well out of it come what may.
All the best with your venture.
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Post by sturdy himself on Feb 6, 2004 1:29:28 GMT 1
In life whenever you do something there is always. A: someone who had the idea in the pipleline but never did it
B: Someone willing to diss the idea instantly
C: people who believe they know how todo it and are willing to tell you how to do your job.
even though they are usually at the most 50% right.
No offence , I can live without Shrewsbury as this isnt a world conquering money making monster scheme but you get what you pay for.
as ive said ive put out hundreds of these and its been a success already because im not dumb enough to think capturing VHS with a PC is the way to do it for example (okay that was offensive).
Theres no problem for getting someone to work at cost, great incentive for pushing the boundaries of quality it isnt but it will make you money, possibly, next season, if it comes off.
i just didnt like or deserve all the negative stuff, ive made clubs money, ive made me money, I've made fans happy. thats it.
Simplicity itself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2004 1:36:03 GMT 1
Sturdy, come back at the start of next season and judge what's happened or not.
For all of their short comings the commercial side of STFC is getting much, much better.
If the fans let a potential idea like this go then we'll be the ones kicking ourselves.
Good luck.
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Post by sturdy himself on Feb 6, 2004 1:38:31 GMT 1
"Mattsnapper also has a lot of knowledge in this field Sturdy, and Kickin knows what he's on about too. I'm sure STFC will do well out of it come what may."
If i can give him a tip then?
theres a quick way to sort the compatability errors with burnt DVDs, its down to the software you demux and remux with. This is the bit that causes problems if you dont get it spot on, with returns and stuff.
He may already knows this (im not assuming superiority here) but if he wants to know how I got round it tell him to drop me an email.
Once that was sorted (I'd always designed the menus and interactives okay) it was a breeze.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Feb 6, 2004 1:40:56 GMT 1
sturdy... forget your A's, B's and C's You need to film in Digi Betacam or at least put your stuff through an Avid Suite to retain the quality on DVD. Have you an Avid..? Final Cut Pro will do but for your time and energy you want to be selling at than £6 a copy..! The only way to make money with quality is to go to the Stokes and WBAs and have a calculator and bank manager behind you. Your fan base needs to be 12,000+. Conference quality I think. Why spend the time making teamsheets etc and trying to make it look professional for £6...? Why not £9.99. You want to make £100... would you prefer to sell two items at £50 or twenty-five at £4..? You make the products matey.. ill be your business manager and pay you £6 and ill keep the rest. Have you wondered why some clubs have not got back to you..!? PS if you can help shift 300+ 3hr documentaries on Shrewsbury Town FC filmed on DigiBeta and scourced from original 35mm film and xferrd to DigiBetaCam and crushed on an Avid then get back to me ! nice idea, but people want quality. sell yourself better, bullsh*t about digibeta and not VHS ! Sell for £9.99 and people may take you more seriously. Its similar to buying a Lada.
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Post by sturdy himself on Feb 6, 2004 1:52:14 GMT 1
i dont need to sell myself better on this one, i didnt even want to get into Digibeta conversations as thats another job at another rate for another company. Its done in the spare time (hence the limit on clubs im looking for) so it doesnt effect other commitments.
You wont have to pay me £6 mate, I've got enough other worked sourced, this is something i actually want to do, although the concept seems hard to grasp to most people.
maybe i have misjudged and should have stuck to the big paying jobs, but keep your £6 in your pocket mate, lol, and have a burger and Bovril with it.
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Post by sturdy himself on Feb 6, 2004 2:01:19 GMT 1
hang on, who actually went through and actually made 300+ documentaries about Shrewsbury Town? Please don't tell me that's someone who just offered to be my busines manager?
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Feb 6, 2004 2:02:32 GMT 1
sorry sturdy, you seem a nice ok bloke... have u got a nice bank of DVD burners then..? are you using 4.7GB DVD's..? ( I need better though!) if you can answer these.. then get back to me..! my email is on my profile details
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Post by sturdy himself on Feb 6, 2004 2:16:26 GMT 1
Yeah i only use DVDrs at that size mostly. ive got a couple of 1-7s fitted with pioneers (the acards) that get printed on direct by a couple of R300s (preferred the r200 it was quieter) Works well for even bif=gger companies, had a nice deal with Rolls Royce go through for a staff catalogue.
I dropped out of it all in my late 20's (long story, wife got ill, time needed at home etc etc) but get to use all the media colleges gear if i agree to take students through the basics. It gives me free use of the digibeta stuff and free premises as long as i dont object to stupid questions between 9 and 4 (hence the lack of overheads).
Dont really use the 1-7s that much as i tend to design a master and ship out duplication (this Conference thing is what i use them for solely now) to other companies for a bulk fee. I'm pondering full time again now the wife is better, but as i dont have to pay for premises or equipment im under no pressure.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 6, 2004 2:50:26 GMT 1
yes calm down indeed i can't really capture vhs onto the pc i was just agreeing with matt we are a clique on here and hate outsiders to be honest when i first read the post i thought it was an arrogant wind up
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 6, 2004 9:42:04 GMT 1
How much do Doncaster Rovers and other clubs sell these DVD's for...anyone know?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2004 9:44:18 GMT 1
Right, time to add my two-pence worth.
Maybe this is in the pipeline for STFC, I don't want to sound negative but how many time have we heard this before? For example - look at the retro shirts idea. It took Shakey to successfully sort out the idea of the retros etc.... before the Town have actually got round to do doing their own.
Why not sell the DVD's that Sturdy is offering to do? Admittedly I don't know much about the processes that go into making the DVD's but if (just say if - not trying to be negative Sturdy) they are poor quality then STFC will be able to learn from this.
Other clubs e.g. Doncaster have recieved good merchandise, why can't we take a chance? STFC will still recieve a cut of the money which is more than what we're making at the moment by saying 'something's in the pipeline'
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Post by sturdy himself on Feb 6, 2004 9:52:26 GMT 1
Rovers sell the DVDs for 12 quid.
If i do individual games for fans i charge 15 quid, hence deaking with yuor club makes it cheaper and you know your club are making a profit.
As has been pointed out VHS isnt ideal but it makes a "Good Enough" product in the absence of true digital. Adding the photo slideshow makes it a nicer package.
It wasn't arrogance that got me posting this, I've just proved it works and with other commitments i can work for 10 clubs. It does, ive never denied ,make me a nice little earner too but as has been pointed out its a lot of work for those rates and it is underselling myself, i just want to do it.
Most people in the Confeence know me, thats why the other clubs trusted I'd make the best product I could. i never met your fans as we passed at the end of the season.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 6, 2004 10:24:18 GMT 1
12 sheets is well too much for Town games unless they stick a camera up on the Riverside to get decent pictures of the game...
I have considered purchasing videos of Town games but with the location of the camera position I'd never consider it...when the camera is filming from the Main Stand the obstruction of the roof supports makes viewing a tad annoying (for me anyhows).
As much as I love the Town and will follow ém through thick and thin I'm not prepared to give money to them unless it's value for money...I'm fed up that if you wish to purchase something from the Town you normally find the item to be of low quality and overpriced...the replica kit is one example, the videos of the games are another...some may say admission to the games to be another!! ;D
Is it worth introducing such DVD's if they will be no demand...how many videos of the games do we sell today? Nowt against you sturdy our kid, but I just don't see a demand for this at Shrewsbury Town at the moment...when we have the new ground, then yep...
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