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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 4, 2004 12:54:23 GMT 1
He's the 1st team coach Peter
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Jan 4, 2004 12:55:36 GMT 1
He's the 1st team coach Peter driver
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 4, 2004 13:00:20 GMT 1
Good news about Vaughan What exactly does a first team coach do?! Nothing that a manager and his so called assistant couldnt I imagine, its the most blatant PR stunt Ive seen in a while, and the more I think about it, JQ seems to be very good at saying the right things to the fans, but how often does he actually back it up with actions, or do we get to see the benefits of it? And there is no way that it is a coincidence that Luke Rodgers first major slump has come under his management. Hmmm....
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Post by Vodkavic on Jan 4, 2004 13:03:49 GMT 1
Yesterday's result was a fcuking disgrace.
But a thread suggesting Quinn should be sacked is just naive and stupid.
What I hope comes out of yesterday is Quinn realising that we need cover at the back. Rioch isn't good enough; and if one of Tinno or Ridler has a bad game or is injured we're simply not good enough at the back. Against anybody. Our goals conceded until yesterday gave an impression that we were solid in defence, but the reality is very different - Rarely this season have we looked completely comfortable there, except against very poor opposition.
Quinn has time to sort it out (although not much), so let him do it. This is not the same situation as with Ratcliffe.
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Post by Shakey_in_Herts on Jan 4, 2004 13:09:21 GMT 1
Peter was that "question unanswered smoothe over" aimed at me.
Well here is a question for you. Why do all fans when somebody says, ain't the man for the job and goes against their own opinion, always reply with, well who is?
We can all throw names in, our own favourites, silly answers, wishful thinking applicants and others that we read about in the press. But we don't have any say in who it's going to be so our opinion is just that opinion.
My opinion was and still is Quinn ain't the man for STFC. Who is, well personally i would love to have seen an ex Town player, Atkins (but that would have still meant a position for Bates and he is not the answer), McGinlay, Heathcote is some capacity. Somebody who really has the club in his heart and knows what it means to the supporters.
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 4, 2004 13:13:28 GMT 1
I didnt say 'smooth over' i just said 'smooth' with a winky face, to show I was joking, didnt mean offence!
And by Atkins do you mean Ian or Mark? Because if you mean Mark then I will be absolutely delighted, finally someone who agrees with me ;D
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Post by RuytonShrew on Jan 4, 2004 13:15:44 GMT 1
He meant Ian!!! Thought you'd got over MAAS! What about setting up JQAS (pronounced Jackass)
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Post by Theoneandonly on Jan 4, 2004 13:19:09 GMT 1
I have discovered a list of what jobs Dave Cooke does. Take part in my poll, and find out the mysterious life of Dave Cooke...... ;D
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Post by gregtheshrew on Jan 4, 2004 13:22:38 GMT 1
I can't honestly see what we would gain by sacking Quinn at this stage of the season.If we were in mid-table obscurity i may have a different view but we are still in a play-off spot.Yes the result yesterday was a disgrace and must not be allowed to happen again,but to sack Quinn on the back of one result would be as ludicrous as giving Ratcliffe an extension for beating Everton.You have to give Quinn till the end of the season at least and then maybe look at the situation.
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 4, 2004 13:24:52 GMT 1
Officialy MAAS is no more, but the spirit will always live on Chris, Spiderman will never die And I dont think I really wanted him as manager anyway actually, tho Im still sticking by the fact he is better than O'Connor, and his wages were considerably less!!
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Post by RuytonShrew on Jan 4, 2004 13:28:06 GMT 1
I think O'Connor has done OK and is better then Atkins.
Can't comment on yesterday as wasn't there cos of work but I was in the pub last night with Stu Dunn when he got back and he said O'Connor was the only outfield player who could claim any credit from that game...
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 4, 2004 13:33:19 GMT 1
Aye O'Connor is OK I wont question that, but there is very little to choose between him and Spidey. Granted O'Connor is better at breaking up play and getting stuck in but I dont think he matches Atkins for distribution and keeping things calm.
And while we're at it, we (yes I include myself in this) gave Andy Thompson a stupid amount of abuse last season, but oh how I wish we had him now!
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Post by RuytonShrew on Jan 4, 2004 13:38:23 GMT 1
I take your point over wages but that's not the way of the world. Someone like Beckham say is on £100,000 a week but even he is not 100 times beeter than O'Connor. (Bad comparison I know!) You have to pay a lot more to get a slightly better player.
Thompson, I was always a fan of his before he came to Shrewsbury. But he was past his best unfortunately...
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 4, 2004 13:42:07 GMT 1
I dont think we will ever settle the Atkins v O'Connor row, mainly because Im not going to back down ;D
I agree that Thommo was past his best, that was obvious, but him vs Greg Rioch? And I'm a bit disappointed we made no effort to sign Alex Smith when he was on a free, we should be able to match Chester financially and he has been a revelation for them this season, we missed out badly there I think...
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 4, 2004 13:43:21 GMT 1
And when you look at how much Atkins was on (£700 per week) and O'Connor (£1,500 I believe) then Im sticking by Atkins, even if O'Connor is slightly the better as you think, he is nowhere near £800 a week better. Now who's spreading unsubstantiated rumours?
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Post by True_Shrew on Jan 4, 2004 13:43:41 GMT 1
Sorry Frankwell CP but I think your avin' a bit of a laugh with all this Sacking malarkey, The issue lies with players not the manager.
STFC pay them very good wages and put the blame of yesterday on Quinn is beyond me, the players let Quinny, the supporters and most of all the name of STFC down- he's asked them to do a job and they proper ****ed it up.
This little witchunt that is circulating around STFC at the moment about Quinny no being the right man is bollox, we've played half a season and we are 5th - and still very much incontention for the title. Yeseterday was unacceptable but to start looking at the backroom staff, the car parking attendant, the catering staff, the bloke who fetches the ball when it goes into the river, the BAR STAFF, then you were not wacthing yesterdays game as it was players who let you down not Qunny.
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 4, 2004 13:45:57 GMT 1
It's not unsubstantiated at all its fact, and it is also fact that O'Connor was offered to another Conference club (Im honestly not sure who it was) who turned him down because 'he doesnt have the legs anymore'
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Post by Shakey_in_Herts on Jan 4, 2004 13:48:02 GMT 1
Pete there was no offence taken, just nobody answered my question Thompson now is better than Rioch imo and Atkins thats Mark, produced more for the team than O'Connor has so far. imo ;D
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 4, 2004 13:48:51 GMT 1
Frankwell CP, absolute legend ;D
MAAS MAAS MAAS
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 4, 2004 13:51:00 GMT 1
It's not unsubstantiated at all its fact, and it is also fact that O'Connor was offered to another Conference club (Im honestly not sure who it was) who turned him down because 'he doesnt have the legs anymore' Sorry Peter, didn't realise you are now the club accountant O'Connor was offered deals by several 2nd division clubs, inluding Port Vale, QPR and Wrexham, he played 30+ games for the gippos in the 1st division last year, I doubt his legs have packed up just yet
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 4, 2004 13:51:07 GMT 1
I thought O'Connor had a terrible game (as did they all) but the lad can't do it on his own. We need Tolley back ASAP big time in place of Sedge (was he on the pitch yesterday?) in the middle of the park...we're missing him more than I thought we would.
Thought Quinn was a little naive yesterday and should have changed things as early as the 10th minute. Obvious to anyone there that Cramb and Banim weren't going to make any impression on the game with the strength and hight of the D&R back four...I hate to see Quinn play but I was hoping he'd have brought himself (or Darby) on yesterday early doors. Nowt was sticking up front, Cramb and Banim couldn't get into the game and hold the ball up for us which meant it were just coming stright back at us time and time again.
Our back line just couldn't cope with their front two, simple as...they were very good and ran us ragged. Sometimes you just have to put your hands up and say well played to 'em.
Not into sacking Quinn meself but I still find it hard to understand why people go on about that this is not the time, what good would it do, its too late to do this...why? Didn't we hear the same arguements last season? Why is it different to last season? We had expections last season (to stay up) and we have expections this season (to go up)...if they're not being met then we need to act. Nows not the time, mind...
The most important thing for me is how the lads now react after such a thrashing. I hope it'll be in a positive manner and we will get back on track asap. Hereford got a footballing lesson from us and look how they reacted...I hope we see something along the same lines from the Town!!
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 4, 2004 13:55:27 GMT 1
I dont think his legs have packed up either, hence the confused type smiley. I still get the impression O'Connor has more to offer than he has so far though, because on current evidence you could never tell he played 30+ Div 1 games last season. I'll gladly stick by him but it was always going to be hard for him to fully gain my support simply because of who he replaced
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Post by Shakey_in_Herts on Jan 4, 2004 14:05:43 GMT 1
True Shrew please show me where i have said Sack Quinn. All i have done is raised questions and stuck to my opinion, which is just that, my opinion that he ain't the man for the job I have tried to even up the debate by asking why he shouldn't be sacked, but never said, sack him. PPP i didn't realise that you were O'Connors agent, knowing which clubs he turned down. The comment about his legs have gone was made by a very respected , by you aswell i believe, Conference manager who also wasn't prepared to pay his wage demands. There you go about unsubstantiated rumour. Why is what Pete said a rumour?
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 4, 2004 14:10:57 GMT 1
True Shrew please show me where i have said Sack Quinn. All i have done is raised questions and stuck to my opinion, which is just that, my opinion that he ain't the man for the job I have tried to even up the debate by asking why he shouldn't be sacked, but never said, sack him. PPP i didn't realise that you were O'Connors agent, knowing which clubs he turned down. The comment about his legs have gone was made by a very respected , by you aswell i believe, Conference manager who also wasn't prepared to pay his wage demands. There you go about unsubstantiated rumour. Why is what Pete said a rumour? I've certainly never said anything about his legs having gone, i'm a big fan of O'Connor and, as I said yesterday, he'd be one of the first 2 or 3 names on the teamsheet for me The clubs who offered deals to O'Connor is public knowledge, it was reported in the press and by the clubs themselves at the time For what Peter said to have much basis he would need inside knowledge of the club's accounts or know someone who has, not impossible but very unlikely, rumours about who earns what are two a penny on football messageboards
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 4, 2004 14:15:23 GMT 1
I don't know any club accountants Prof, but I promise it is fact, I would never post something I wasnt sure about, especially on a sensitive subject such as how much someone is getting paid. I think we should leave the wage issue alone actually before someone comes out with something libellous/slanderous (cant think which one is correct here)
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 4, 2004 14:20:49 GMT 1
Fair enough Peter
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2004 14:26:30 GMT 1
I don't know any club accountants Prof, but I promise it is fact, I would never post something I wasnt sure about, especially on a sensitive subject such as how much someone is getting paid. I think we should leave the wage issue alone actually before someone comes out with something libellous/slanderous (cant think which one is correct here) Pete - you can't say what you have then slag people off about un-substantiated rumours.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2004 14:30:58 GMT 1
Pete, when did you become the financial accountant? I'm glad we didn't go in for Alex Smith, he was good going forward but IMO Smith lacks more defencively than even Rioch!
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 4, 2004 14:30:59 GMT 1
Like I said, its not un-substantiated! When I next see you I will gladly tell you the source, and I have various other things I could tell you about the current situation, but as FranwellCP implied earlier, perhaps a public internet website isn't the best place to discuss things like this! But I absolutely promise you it is not un-substantiated, why would I make up a lie about someones wages, it would be stupid and liable to prosecution I would have thought?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2004 14:36:41 GMT 1
Like I said, its not un-substantiated! When I next see you I will gladly tell you the source, and I have various other things I could tell you about the current situation, but as FranwellCP implied earlier, perhaps a public internet website isn't the best place to discuss things like this! But I absolutely promise you it is not un-substantiated, why would I make up a lie about someones wages, it would be stupid and liable to prosecution I would have thought? I know who your source is Pete and I know that he/ she wouldn't have lied to you. But why expect other people to believe your facts/ source then rubbish other peoples? You can't have your cake and eat it.
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