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Post by telfordSHREWS on Jan 3, 2004 22:22:43 GMT 1
Darby came on for cramb midway through the 2nd half. probably something to do with crambs booking , after he was flagged offside by the lino, he then decided from 15 yards to place the ball on the floor and launch it at him .....Que yellow card and a spat out dummy.
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Post by georgiesaint on Jan 3, 2004 22:25:43 GMT 1
I said right at the start of the season Quinn should manage and not play,why does he do it is it a big ego trip?its got to stop,i'm not questioning his managerial skills or his playing prowess but 2 jobs at this level don't work,hang the boots up quinnny.
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Post by Theoneandonly on Jan 3, 2004 22:44:35 GMT 1
why does the image of the file from this thread indicate that there is an image on this thread? Anyone knw- just curious....
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Post by Vics Fan on Jan 3, 2004 22:59:23 GMT 1
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SACK QUINN.... then we can have him back!!
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Post by grinfish on Jan 3, 2004 23:00:33 GMT 1
You sure? You got 1 point more than us today didn't you?
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 3, 2004 23:02:41 GMT 1
Quinn buys himself time with the commitment to getting the players in on a Sunday. However I doubt that he is up to the job.
But let us put to bed this nonsense about "one bad result." Results have been better than performances all season. What this result shows that Quinn is failing to change our fortunes and little wonder given the chopping and changing of tactics and personnel, and the gap betwen rheteric and action.
I voted "Yes" - the man is a paper tiger. Sadly it isn't going happen.
More than that, rather than fulmintaing about how angry we feel, I think it is about time that a fans organisation started putting its head above the parapet and getting its comments in the local press about the present situation. I would like to think that we can make our voice heard without asking the club for pemission first. If it cannot be the Umbrella groups then it could be the blue and amber website.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 3, 2004 23:16:49 GMT 1
Well said SeanB
For me i can say the Leigh (a), Margate (a), Forest Green(h), Tamworth (both), are points we could have easily lost and thats not counting those dropped badly at stevenage, Daggers, Exeter, Telford, Woking and aldershot.
Sorry but i can count the games that we have played to a good standard that most fans expenct on one hand
Hereford home Gravesend away Scunny away (unlucky to lose) Morcambe away Chester for a time
I will not count the Northwich games as there are the worst team i have ever seen play
So the one result stuff is rubbish.
He should stay though for now but i am at the stage where if i have to watch drivle like this for much longer or drive 3-4 hours for another hammering i will be adding my and the lads i travel with to the voices calling for Quinne to go. He has a lot of work to do starting with a squad first team resuffle and putting some drive commitment and passion in the team, training must be steped up and the arrogance of players such of cramb (see todays little tantrum) must be removed.
I will not be fooled into giveing managers any more time than is nessesary again like last season many people were - it may or may not be time for people to wake up and realise that this might not be the brand new begining but another (!) transition time
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Post by Pilch on Jan 3, 2004 23:26:16 GMT 1
lets just wait and hope it was a one off 5-0 hammerings do happen
we lost 5-0 to blackpool in 79 and won the league
and man u have been hammered 5-0 a few times recently on thier way to the championship
top 5 was and still is our target
tinno had a nightmare first half mossy got suckered into giving a pen away i think darby should have come on before quinn but did nothing when he did come on rioch touched the ball once and gave howie a hospital pass in which howie got hurt cramb was having a sulk (like at chester) jody & sam couldn't cross to save their lives a few missed sitters quinny looked the best player and howie saved us from a record defeat
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 3, 2004 23:32:26 GMT 1
Its like i said its not about the things (so so many) that when wrong today but about the same errors and mistakes and performance levels that i see ever week for the last 2 months.
I think today was the top of the mountain of problems that we have all coming together at onece and hopefully this will not occer again but thats not to say it will not. and by a few missed sitters do you mean the 2 headed chances which were directed into the ground by quinny and Ridler - that was shamefull finishing and the only 2 chances for us in the whole game!
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Post by theoldcodger on Jan 3, 2004 23:55:27 GMT 1
One point I can't remember anyone posting is that a certain Mr Watts is now at Dagenham having gone there for b****r all. Came on as sub. Any chance he might have briefed them on the best tactics to adopt and which players to put under pressure? Surely not.
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Post by Gorf Dag Red on Jan 3, 2004 23:56:24 GMT 1
but then again how many of the other teams in this league who are going for promotion lost 5-0 at a club who recently lost 2-1 at home to Leigh and who Aldershot just did the double over? I'm telling you, we played no where near as well against those teams as we did against you!! We were awesome today and the the best I've seen at the Daggers this season.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 3, 2004 23:57:45 GMT 1
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Post by theoldcodger on Jan 4, 2004 0:37:40 GMT 1
Didn't realise the club had paid him off as well. Thought he wanted to go for personal reasons so how come Town coughed up cash? Read that Karl agreed a settlement before leaving and signing for Woking for nowt. Seems a funny way to run a business.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 4, 2004 1:28:48 GMT 1
No I'm with ant on this one..............sensible comment and about time Prof........well done i just ptrinted it out and framed it along witht he one where Ant booed them off once in a lifetime experience!
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Post by Dale on Jan 4, 2004 1:40:29 GMT 1
The pay off Watts received would have gone a long way to aid his florists shop then.
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Post by Shakey_in_Herts on Jan 4, 2004 10:29:54 GMT 1
The cracks have now well and truely been opened. I know what Cooke and Bates do now........ very good at papering over them cracks but must have forgotten yesterday. This has been coming and still people want to defend Quinn and his two muppets. Why is nobody except Sean asking questions? What is really going on ? Think we need to know.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Jan 4, 2004 10:42:08 GMT 1
What is really going on We lost 5-0 and Quinn has them in for extra training. Did not see that last season. Would have interfered with the managers Sunday morning game of Golf. We are still in the Top 5 and have a few days to sort things out before another league game. As for further up the thread for the benefit of the oneandonly I called JP a lot more than a prat in a telephone conversation last night and we agreed to disagree.
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Post by Shakey_in_Herts on Jan 4, 2004 10:55:33 GMT 1
There you go, defending yesterday by harping back to last season. After we lost 6-0 at Boston Ratcliffe had them all in on the Sunday, messing up his Christmas shopping plans. We won the next game 4-1 and lost the one after that 5-1, before our finest hour (and a half). So what's it for? Why is he getting them in? For the benefit of whom? To a pease the supporters, to get Wycherley off his back. Sorry but to defend yesterday is to condone it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2004 11:01:25 GMT 1
No one is defending yesterday's performance or result.
But to sack Quinn would be a ridiculous over-reaction to our current situation.
Talking of what certain responses would achieve - what the hell would sacking a manager at this point of the season while in our current position achieve?
Absolutely nothing.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Jan 4, 2004 11:04:56 GMT 1
I am not defending it and cannot comment too much as I was not present.
Let us see what happens next game which is not a must win.
I would think the idea of getting them in today is so JQ can point a few things out while it is still fresh in the brain.
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Post by Shakey_in_Herts on Jan 4, 2004 11:17:21 GMT 1
Just a question for you Ant, why would sacking him be an over reaction? There are many managers over recent years who haven't had as long as him, had as much money to spend or been able to sign the quality players that we have. We all slag off players as bad signings, why are they bad players when they come to us with a good pedigree? Where is the motivation for such a talented squad coming from? Where is our settled formation that successful teams stick to and win things playing? Where is our togetherness and team spirit? Many wanted Quinn to be the next Messiah, but he isn't doing it. So why not sack him? Btw i am not saying sack him just raising a few points. Although i will stick to what i said publically in September. Quinn isn't the man for the job
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2004 11:21:12 GMT 1
A total over-reaction.
Firstly it would cost plenty of money.
Secondly any new maager that comes in is going to want to re-shape the squad and bring in his own players - he hasn't got time to do that now.
Thirdly - show me any move like sacking a manager now which has proved to be a success and I'll show you 5 similar moves that haven't worked.
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Post by shrewforever on Jan 4, 2004 12:35:51 GMT 1
Well you do read some stuff on here dont ya.............
Seems to me our biggest problem at the moment is that between them Quinn,Cooke,Bates,Father Xmas whoever they dont seem to have a great idea of what our best team is and what is the best tactical plan for us to play to.
Having said that its not been easy lately re Lukes performances and injuries and other injuries to players and inconsistent performances i.e Street and Lowe etc.
Someone does need to get a hold and come up with a set type of play for the team and some consistency in tactics apart from that I personally have no complaint about JQ other of course the left back issue.........
As for sack him...........not worthy of comment..........
and as to whoever said he aint the man for the job,thats easy to say,now finish the sentance by telling us who is.........................
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Post by pawlo on Jan 4, 2004 12:37:51 GMT 1
Cant remenber the last time I left the Meadow thinking " that was a good game". Might have been Everton. I feel very dissappointed in the way we have played. We seem to under achieve at every oppertunity. Cant say I think Quinn should be sacked, after all, 5th in the league aint bad, but if we had played to anything like our potential we wouldnt be sat behind the 4 teams above us. Quinn needs to get stuck into the players, surely at this level 100% effort would be enough to prevent a 5 nil drubbing.
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Post by Shakey_in_Herts on Jan 4, 2004 12:38:40 GMT 1
OK so we keep him because of a money issue. Don't seem to have had a problem splashing the cash so far and that money arguement is an excuse for keeping somebody in a job that isn't cutting it. In the best interests of the club?
We have the best squad of players in the conference. Most of us recognise where we need to strengthen. So why would a new manager want to change much?
And for every success there are 5 unsuccessful, yea right but that isn't answering the question. So a new appointment wouldn't be a success because of previous history. That attitude is not in the best interests of the club either, we will never know unless it happens.
Then if it is another wrong one, whos fault is that?
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 4, 2004 12:46:00 GMT 1
and as to whoever said he aint the man for the job,thats easy to say,now finish the sentance by telling us who is......................... Notice how that managed to go un-answered, very smooth
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Jan 4, 2004 12:48:50 GMT 1
Plenty were calling for the reinstatement of Chic Bates last summer and raving when it happened, you don't hear much from them these days?
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Post by Theoneandonly on Jan 4, 2004 12:50:22 GMT 1
Notice how that managed to go un-answered, very smooth Jan Molby ! ;D
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Post by peterjones1 on Jan 4, 2004 12:51:54 GMT 1
Only being 16 I dont know much about Bates 'glorious' Salop past, so I wasnt really caught in the wave of euphoria when he returned, nor was I disappointed when he left in the first place. What is his role exactly? Please says hes not back in charge of the youth side, who were looking awesome last season without him
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Jan 4, 2004 12:53:22 GMT 1
No Nigel Vaughan is still at the healm there.
What do Bates and Cooke do? No I'll pass
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