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Post by ianwhit on Jan 5, 2004 23:59:35 GMT 1
A damn stupid comment from Ian. thought i'd join the rest of you though i do think it's valid, will you be joining the celebrations or will you all stay at home and have a good old moan.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 6, 2004 0:14:15 GMT 1
I don't think its valid at all Ian, but let's wait and find out - the energy I put into the celebrations will depend on how old I am when I have something to celebrate.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 6, 2004 1:19:12 GMT 1
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Post by Staly on Jan 6, 2004 11:14:54 GMT 1
The most telling moment of the season so far, for me, was after the first goal went in against Leigh away. We thought we'd won it, we stopped playing. Its moments like that that make us travelling fans, who give up time and money that we can ill afford, get angry.
I'll be celebrating like mad if and when we go back up, for the same reasons I'm angry now...
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Post by Salop on Jan 6, 2004 11:53:02 GMT 1
Although I agree with allot that’s been written on this thread it sometimes annoys me that people seem to think they know better than Jimmy. Sean started off with he’s changing tactics and not sticking with the Rodgers-Cramb partnership then goes on about the fact that he’s sticking with players that aren’t performing. To be honest Sean your contradicting yourself as one player that hasn’t performed this season is Luke himself.
The fact is we aren’t in training every day, we don’t see players form and attitude off the field so many of the decisions that mystify some of us might be due to that fact. I thought we played well in both the Northwich games despite the lack of opposition, who incidentally drew with Aldershot at the weekend.
For once I agree that everyone is well within their rights to have a go and even Boo. Losing to a team of part timers that are on half the wages of our guys by that margin is an insult to the town supporters who travelled. They need to be aware of how much anger and hurt they have created by that performance. Such a negative response will hopefully push them to work harder as a team in training and on the pitch. But just the same as one win doesn’t make a season, one horrific defeat doesn’t ruin it. Lets just try to get over it now and hope that Jimmy can put it right.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jan 6, 2004 13:54:24 GMT 1
If Luke is injured then he shouldn't be playing. However if he is in bad form then he needs to play his way into good form. One thing about Luke is you cannot fault his commitment during the game. He may make wrong decisions when he has the ball but there is that minimum standard of effort throughout the game.
I haven't contradicted myself at all - its the players who have not shown that same sort of baseline commitment that Quinn sticks with even when he shuffles around the tactics.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 6, 2004 13:56:36 GMT 1
After a 5-0 thrashing there are bound to be negative comments aren’t there, it’s inevitable? I would be very surprised if some did't expect some backlash to such lackluster performance. We were taught a footballing lesson by a mid-table, part-time team. Bound to be some reaction…
Think it was clear that Quinn brought the players back on to the park right after the final whistle so the players could hear the boos and comments from the crowds. He knows that that performance wasn’t good enough and I’m sure he knew what the response would be…the lads been in football long enough. Some Town fans wanted to vent their disapproval and Quinn wanted to make sure that the players understood how the supporters felt.
It’s a very good thread this with an excellent comment from davefromalty.
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Post by MartinB on Jan 6, 2004 20:57:32 GMT 1
What response is expected after we have been humiliated by a part-time team? The people who post on here are loyal, passionate about the club and aching for some success. We have been on the slide for 15+ years and were hoping for some improvement but the situation now looks the same as last season. There is confusion, no fight and precious little decent football to give us hope. We struggle to beat the likes of Leigh and Tamworth with their paltry resources. Why do we have 6 strikers in the squad, 1 left back and no cover at centre back? Why does a 44 year old start in front of an expensively recruited striker? Confused? I am. Off the pitch the New Meadow saga drags on and it looks like Telford are passing us on the way up. The management and players should be on their knees to thank fans who are making this the best supported club in the Conference despite the dross that is served up Dave, I think this wins the award for best post in the last 12 months. I wish I could have put it so well. We can see it, Garry Hill of Dagenham can see it, why can't the Board. I'll probably start Shrewforever off now
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Post by shrewforever on Jan 6, 2004 21:05:53 GMT 1
Its ok Martin the Prozac are kicking in................
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Post by MartinB on Jan 6, 2004 21:08:36 GMT 1
Shame I thought the fun was going to start
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Post by faginy on Jan 6, 2004 22:12:40 GMT 1
fagin - i'll give you a race! you're a cruel cruel person
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jan 6, 2004 22:59:40 GMT 1
I didn't go to Dagenham, but I did go to Boston 12 months ago, nothing can have been as bad as that. Quite frankly if any of you thought we were going to walk this league, then you don't know your history. None of the recent clubs that went down to Conf have gone straight up, and at start of season I'd have settled for 5th position at this stage with games in hand, averaging nearly 2 points per game and odds on for a play off place. Don't forget we've got 10 games left at home, only 7 away.
Yes there are question marks about the team, but I for one have confidence in JQ.
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Post by guest on Jan 6, 2004 23:20:51 GMT 1
i went to boston and dagenham nottshrew and i have to say that there was very little between the two(imo). the embarassment and despair was just as bad on saturday the only difference was last season we were expecting bad results. i still think those who booed the team when they came out for the second half should have a think about the word "support" its not about telling dagenham how much we hate telford/wrexham/wolves or even cockneys! we should all concentrate a little more on cheering the team on and save all our moaning for on here. lets get a "trophy run" going on saturday with some positive singing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2004 23:32:53 GMT 1
i went to boston and dagenham nottshrew and i have to say that there was very little between the two(imo). the embarassment and despair was just as bad on saturday the only difference was last season we were expecting bad results. i still think those who booed the team when they came out for the second half should have a think about the word "support" its not about telling dagenham how much we hate telford/wrexham/wolves or even cockneys! we should all concentrate a little more on cheering the team on and save all our moaning for on here. lets get a "trophy run" going on saturday with some positive singing. I booed at the end but agree booing at the start of the second half was peculiar and wasn't on. The difference between the Boston and daggers games are that daggers were a good 10 places below us in the league - quite worrying. Also a good point about supporting the team instead of slagging other teams off. I used to join in the singing of every song home and away but now I can't be arsed with the 'we hate....' etc... and only join in with the songs supporting players of the Town.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 7, 2004 0:48:56 GMT 1
you're a cruel cruel person on Mariokart?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by LeeTUFC on Jan 7, 2004 1:55:08 GMT 1
don't want to spoilt these precedings, but it may be better the channel our aggression into our bottom of the toilet bowl football club and not make it personal to each other oh what the hell... ps PPP - you are victor meldrew's long lost brother LeeTUFC, come back when you are old enough to shave oi !! i shave!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 7, 2004 1:56:15 GMT 1
i wondered how long that would take you! hee hee hee
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Post by grinfish on Jan 7, 2004 2:00:49 GMT 1
Besides, he means your face.... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Mark on Jan 7, 2004 2:02:52 GMT 1
Ian, I've read several of your posts on here in the past. I do find your attitude surprising seeing as you can't be arsed (or choose to ignore) some of the questions raised by correspondents on the official Shrewsbury Town message board. Does your job require any kind of 'customer relations' skills because I'm sorry to say that if you were representing my company, you'd be down the road by now mate. Sorry to bring you down and that but I really think your employment is a bit of a waste of the club's/supporters money.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 7, 2004 2:17:38 GMT 1
Ian, I've read several of your posts on here in the past. I do find your attitude surprising seeing as you can't be arsed (or choose to ignore) some of the questions raised by correspondents on the official Shrewsbury Town message board. Does your job require any kind of 'customer relations' skills because I'm sorry to say that if you were representing my company, you'd be down the road by now mate. Sorry to bring you down and that but I really think your employment is a bit of a waste of the club's/supporters money. I think that is way out of order, sorry, that's really annoyed me, here comes a rant, you have been warned you gotta remember Ian was a fan long before he was an employee of the club, and any opinions on here come as a fan not as an employee of the club I can understand you disagreeing with him, even thinking he's a right %$&^&*% along with it, you are entitled to that, but to question his employment is way too far, not the right thing to say, not the right place to say it you may not like his attitue, you may not like what he says, you may not like him, but the programme is many many many many times better than last year, it's even worth buying now! he will add information or challenge stuff on here that isn't true, but then people don't believe him anyway surely the askjimmy section you refer to really needs jimmy to answer questions, and us to ask them, and we know jimmy has refused to answer questions about players or tactics he knows stuff we don't, we hear rumours he doesn't, he knows all these people personally and some of the harsh stuff said on here must get to him The other thing about Ian, is that he really won't give a toss what you think about him either, rightly or wrongly, and he'll carry on working on the programme for saturday if he acts like this in a professional context then sure, report him, get angry, do whatever you want, but he's a fan on a fans board talking to other fans so get off your high horse and if the website is so upsetting for you then offer to write a section for it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2004 14:37:05 GMT 1
Totally Agree with TBH. Ian is a top guy in an awkward position which imho he handles very well. He may be a little brash at times as we all are, but please do not question his loyalty, commitment and let Roland justify his employment which is making the club money. Give the guy a break......
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Post by DiglisShrew on Jan 7, 2004 14:45:47 GMT 1
Which arm / leg ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2004 14:49:53 GMT 1
why not 1 of each....... ;D
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Post by ianwhit on Jan 7, 2004 17:41:46 GMT 1
Ian, I've read several of your posts on here in the past. I do find your attitude surprising seeing as you can't be arsed (or choose to ignore) some of the questions raised by correspondents on the official Shrewsbury Town message board. Does your job require any kind of 'customer relations' skills because I'm sorry to say that if you were representing my company, you'd be down the road by now mate. Sorry to bring you down and that but I really think your employment is a bit of a waste of the club's/supporters money. my job is to do the website, programme, and the things connected to that i.e. interviews, arrange commentary, press etc. if you think either of those is sub standard then i'm not doign my job. there's nothing in my jobspec about being fans liason or the like. i tend to come on messageboards becuase i've been doing it for the last 10-11 years and try to help where i can. yes i miss things as i'm human, i take it yours is the post about the station end? i try to answer questions or get people like judy to go on there more and answer things and it's something i'll keep trying to do. pr skills, hmmm, i'm not a bad communicator when i need to be but what i post on an unoffical board is usually going to be my own personal thoughts, which i think i 'm entitled to do. if you send me an email direct asking a question i'll reply to it as soon as i can (unless your name is downward or kirby if you would rather my wages be used on a player then please write to the chairman stating that and put your name to it, i've got no problem with that but probably won't see a reply as you can't be arsed to register.
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Post by shrewforever on Jan 7, 2004 19:03:30 GMT 1
Totally with TBH on this..................related post bang out of order,simple as............... Ian does talk alot of bollox on here at times,in fact as most of us do.......apart from me of course ............. but to make comment on his job responsibilities and subsequent performance is nothing short of crass stupidity...................simply because that is a matter purely between himself and his employers,and has absolutely nothing to do with anybody on here.............
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Post by skipwithrob on Jan 7, 2004 19:11:46 GMT 1
Ya man is still entitled to his opinion to be fair to him.
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Post by shrewforever on Jan 7, 2004 19:22:11 GMT 1
Fine having the opinion Rob..................... appropriate to air it on here ................ we'll all have our opinions on that ,I think I've made mine clear..........
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Post by Selleck on Jan 7, 2004 20:35:01 GMT 1
Does anyone remember how s**te the official web-site was before Whitters arrived?
And I seem to remember hearing that the club is now earning money from the site. I can't recall the exact figure, but it was a lot more than I'd guess Ian's wages are...
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jan 7, 2004 20:42:14 GMT 1
Unfair and uncalled for criticism of Ian. My own experience of Ian (and Judy) is that they are efficient, professional and friendly when asked, via appropriate channels, to do something.
I hope Ian isn't put off posting in his private capacity, we should all be mature and intelligent enough to realise that he can't slag off his employer nor can he break the duty of trust he owes to work colleagues by spreading tittle tattle on here - much as we'd like him to.
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Post by d00bie on Jan 7, 2004 20:50:22 GMT 1
And above all Ian has a [shadow=red,left,300]laptop[/shadow] so show respect lads ;D
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