|
Post by jamo on Mar 15, 2004 12:16:28 GMT 1
I don't normally take much notice of junk mail that comes through my door , but on Friday of last week i had a BNP political pamphlet in the letter box, unfortunately i didn't witness the person delivering it or i would have told them where to stick it. Has anyone else had anything similar, what the hell's going on with our town, i can't see Shrewsbury being a fertile area for this type of party The last thing i want for my neighbourhood is a load of National Front bully boy's masquerading under a different name.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2004 12:19:44 GMT 1
Out of interest, what did the flyer describve as the main policies of the BNP?
It's not a nice thought that the BNP are claiming so many supporters through the country at the moment. Although no longer living in Shrewsbury I hate to think the BNP would be able to get any foot into the door of the political arena in the town
|
|
|
Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 15, 2004 12:21:34 GMT 1
I have been told that the BNP look at footy/general mesage boards for an area and judge weather they have any people who would be intrested in an alternative vote in the area - if so a look over here in the last 3 months would have given them plenty of reasons to think that they could have a chance ( not in a rasist way - just that we all hate the cons and want them out) Its all our fault ps that first bit is true!!!
|
|
|
Post by jamo on Mar 15, 2004 12:25:23 GMT 1
The main gist of the literature was racial diatribe against asylum seekers and immigrants getting all manner of benefits at the expense of resident pensioners. I was genuinely surprised when i saw it, i live in a typical middle class suburb of the town which i would have thought was totally unsuitable recriuting ground for parties such as this. I guess it shows their level of confidence at the moment and they're just testing the water. I seem to remember a BNP candidate standing in the Oswestry area at the last election.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2004 12:36:34 GMT 1
Yep, despite Nick Griffin living in the area, the BNP profile is pretty low around here.
In the majority of cases, the BNP candidates do a decent job of making themselves entirely uncredible candiates through their lack of intelligence and eloquence.
And whilst their troop leader Griffin is much more intelligent and media-friendly (he appears much less right-wing than many old-school Tories!), his holocaust denials always tend to put him on sticky ground in serious discussions.
His daughter was handing out BNP literature round a Mid Wales high school apparantly, so at least he's got one convert.
|
|
|
Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 15, 2004 14:04:10 GMT 1
Oh, those tewwible wacists.
What has happened in Birmingham, London, Luton, Slough, Leicester, Bradfortistan, Oldhamabad, Manchester (etc....) has to come to small market towns eventually. F'rinstance, Kings Lynn, a backwater if ever there was one is now home to thousands of Chinese.
Still, if you think Salop could benefit from some Handsworth style diversity then tut tut at these terrible "racists". But don't say nobody warned you when Shrewsbury either turns beige or gentryfies beyond the means of locals as it fills up with white-flight ex-urbanites.
|
|
|
Post by jamo on Mar 15, 2004 14:09:38 GMT 1
Surely all those Towns and Cities that you mention are all the richer for the multi cultural populations that live there. This whole island has been populated by immigration for centuries, that's what makes us the counntry that we are.
|
|
|
Post by El Huracán!!!! on Mar 15, 2004 14:18:58 GMT 1
Does anyone think that cynicalshrew is the alter ego of a regular poster on here - most of the comments are - boarderline offensive and not something that most of us would want to put!!!!! - so its easy to hide behind a guest name - just a thought!
|
|
|
Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 15, 2004 14:31:08 GMT 1
Oh, those tewwible wacists. What has happened in Birmingham, London, Luton, Slough, Leicester, Bradfortistan, Oldhamabad, Manchester (etc....) has to come to small market towns eventually. F'rinstance, Kings Lynn, a backwater if ever there was one is now home to thousands of Chinese. Still, if you think Salop could benefit from some Handsworth style diversity then tut tut at these terrible "racists". But don't say nobody warned you when Shrewsbury either turns beige or gentryfies beyond the means of locals as it fills up with white-flight ex-urbanites. if a family has been suffering torture at the hands of the burmese government because Daddy is in the democracy movement then I would willingly have them on my street If an single male has done a runenr from Morocco to try and earn some extra cash in the UK then that is a different story The BNP is widely regarded as a racist party with racist views of people who are not white english. The BNP is using Asylum Seekers as an excuse for it's usual drivel. No-one wants people illegally entering the land and taking benefits, fair enough. But we do want skilled people witha flair for enterprise coming here to bring development and fresh impetus into our economy and culture. "Send them back" should have died int he 1960s, and using a genuine issue on the public's mind to push forward plain racism is out of order.
|
|
|
Post by jamo on Mar 15, 2004 14:44:39 GMT 1
Well done TBH ,it's refreshing to know that other's share the same sentiments as myself. People really need to see this sort of thing for what it is, rascist crap that has no place in Shropshire or anywhere else in this country.
|
|
|
Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 15, 2004 14:46:30 GMT 1
Surely all those Towns and Cities that you mention are all the richer for the multi cultural populations that live there. . Quite. I'm sure the typical resident of Harlescott surveys his bland white streets and wishes the neighbourhood enjoyed the diversity of Handsworth.
|
|
|
Post by jamo on Mar 15, 2004 14:49:29 GMT 1
Quite. I'm sure the typical resident of Harlescott surveys his bland white streets and wishes the neighbourhood enjoyed the diversity of Handsworth. You've never left Telford have you ?
|
|
|
Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 15, 2004 14:53:03 GMT 1
Asylum is a smokescreen for the enormous large scale immigration that is rapidly changing the face of Britain, for which the aim must be to make indigenous Britons a minority in their own country (I can see no other explanation when we are asked to 'celebrate' becoming a minority in our own cities).
Home secrataries can promise to "crack-down" on Asylum to ease the fears of the multitude. Of course the multitude really aren't bothered whether those who are legal, illegal, asylum seekers or whatever, more they fear loss of their own culture, identity and way of life. But the "Asylum seeker" scam it muddies the waters for a bit whilst hundreds of thousands of work permits are issued annually.
Of course, if you are happy for small town England to follow the cities in turning brown - and believe that any opposition to this is unreasonable - then keep calling the BNP "Nazis". I'm sure Salop will be a much better place with more diversity!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2004 14:55:33 GMT 1
Good to see that CynicalShrew takes a wonderfully simplistic view to the causes of social deprivation i.e. 'it's the darkies' I would send a random insult his way at this point, but it may be a bit cliquey, so will leave it to someone else.....
|
|
|
Post by AFCwimbleton on Mar 15, 2004 15:07:53 GMT 1
I wouldnt say poeple fear a loss of culture because of immigration. Face the facts WE ARE IN THE 21st CENTURY. THe world is a small place.. Immigrants ARE British culture.. and add to the fantastic variety of our island.
I'd like to also say what were many " indigenous " Britons doing in the 19th and early 20th century - going to other countries and claiming them to be " British "... is this immigration?
|
|
|
Post by grinfish on Mar 15, 2004 15:10:51 GMT 1
To echo TBH's words, Those who have a right to be here are welcome - Those who are truly escaping suffering at the hands of those in power in their own countries, those who bring more to the nation than they take, and those who we owe a debt ( who rebuilt our country after WWII when so many British men died? How many thousands/millions of our old Imperial/colonial friends gave their lives to support our (and their) wish to liberate Europe, nay, the World!).
Those who come here for an easy meal-ticket and to abuse our benevolence and our duty to help our fellow man in his time of need, are not welcome, as they take what could be given to others, and make those of us who are willing to support those who do need it more apathetic of helping out, because we end up seeing our money, our labour and our sympathy being stolen from those we want to give it to.
Edit: And don't forget, we're all Franco-Roman Vikings really!
|
|
|
Post by Bilbo on Mar 15, 2004 15:11:08 GMT 1
!! If you won't say Welshshrew I will
|
|
|
Post by jamo on Mar 15, 2004 15:16:34 GMT 1
!! If you won't say Welshshrew I will Steady on old chap, Welshshrew isn't a , he's a very polite young man.
|
|
|
Post by AFCwimbleton on Mar 15, 2004 15:23:10 GMT 1
Edit: And don't forget, we're all Franco-Roman Vikings really!
I agree.. thats what I hate about the " its our county so get out " attitude that a minority have.. if you trace it back all people are immigrants.
|
|
|
Post by Bilbo on Mar 15, 2004 15:26:26 GMT 1
Steady on old chap, Welshshrew isn't a , he's a very polite young man. I was refering to Cynical_Shrew for his racist slant Jamo
|
|
|
Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 15, 2004 15:30:04 GMT 1
Erm...There is only one race, the human race...
...Race is a social construct...
...We need immigrants to do the jobs that the British are too lazy to do, like cleaning and fruit picking...
...We need skilled immigrants to do the jobs like NHS doctors and engineers which the British are too thick to do...
...We all came from Africa originally...
...Inner city crime is caused by racism and poverty...
...Diversity gives us strength...
...define British culture...
...we should send all the angles, saxons and vikings back...
(How am I doing?)
|
|
|
Post by jamo on Mar 15, 2004 15:35:22 GMT 1
Steady on old chap, Welshshrew isn't a , he's a very polite young man. I was refering to Cynical_Shrew for his racist slant Jamo I was only joking Billbo, good to see you on saturday. Exactly how many pasties did you eat in the end?
|
|
|
Post by Bilbo on Mar 15, 2004 15:38:08 GMT 1
Only the one mate.......... They weren't that nice
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2004 15:45:03 GMT 1
He's an interesting fellar this CynicalShrew. Obviously thinks he's intelligent by taking some common-sensical arguments that are made in favour of the rights of asylum seekers, and by presenting them as raw one-liners, is attempting to de-value them, whilst trying to show his awareness of the issues. However, he is clearly unable to construct any kind of coherent argument (about anything actually) and thus ends up looking thick as the proverbial pig-sh!t. Oh, and Billbo, stop calling me a .
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2004 15:52:11 GMT 1
I think MartinB's young daughter once put it best by saying "It's what's on the inside that counts"
It doesn't matter what you look like, where you're from, how intelligent you are, if you like football or not - it's about what you're like as a person, if you make the right decisions.
Becuase someone is black or from another country why should we alienate them?
|
|
|
Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 15, 2004 15:55:25 GMT 1
I have more in common with an Indian migrant shop keeper on Soho Road in Handsworth who works 16 hours days to provide for his 6 children than I do with you. He works hard down at the Gurdwara giving food to homeless people in the city centre and he is saving up for his Kids to go to Uni because he wants them to have a better opportunity than he had when his family fled the Punjab after the formation of Pakistan.
He speak broken English, play silly music in his shop and eat strange food but at least he will never judge me for being white, and is glad for the opportunity this country gave him.
|
|
|
Post by wiganshrew2 on Mar 15, 2004 16:08:38 GMT 1
Sorry to harp on about The Daily Mail- but right wing tabloids with a hypocritcal attitude tend to do the BNP's "spadework" for them by brainwashing people into a state of fear and panic about the numbers of illegal immigrants entering the country.
At the same time, they proclaim that they are not racist. Not all people who live in middle class suburbs are as intelligent as our poster, here.
I know some of people around here (which is supposed to be a middle class suburb of Wigan) who soak up everything that the Daily Mail says, like a sponge.
All it would take is for a BNP candidate to emerge who didn't seem extreme and ,"Talked some common sense." It's very worrying.
I have friends who are third generation Italian immigrants, and they had a hard time as children. Thir mother made sure they had clean clothes every day, sometimes twice a day, because of the "dirty Italians" jibes. (This was after the second world war.) I'd say they are far more intelligent than I am- and they have always worked really hard. There are plenty of British -born people working the system, with no intention of working.
|
|
|
Post by Joe Totale on Mar 15, 2004 16:52:04 GMT 1
The BNP are a bunch of one-eyed racists - in the case of their "fuhrer" Nick Griffin this is quite literally true!
Don't waste your time in Shropshire because we're not interested in your tiresome bigotry and Nazi worship.
The BNP are simply a bunch of inadequates with tiny penises trying to make themselves look big by carrying copies of Mein Kampf around the place.
If you hate modern Britain so much it's you lot that should f*** off and leave the rest of us to get on peacefully with our lives.
By the way if you're looking for an all-white paradise I hear there's plenty of space in Antarctica - although some of the penguins do have black stripes!
|
|
|
Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 15, 2004 16:55:06 GMT 1
There are plenty of coherent anti-immigration arguments out there, about how immigration is bad for social cohesion and national identity, gives us little (if any) economic benefit, about racial differences in cognitive ability and behaviour which leads to higher crime rates amongst certain groups, and self-segregation. The most obvious one, is that whites prefer the company of their own kind, particularly evident when even those who had previously mouthed lip-service to the joys of diversity will move from an ethnically diverse neighbourhood to the suburbs or countryside when their children reach school age citing "bad schools" and "crime".
I've made the point (that none of you seem to understand) that the powers that be care little about "asylum" other than as a divertionary tactic away from the main issue which is immigration of all forms (mostly legal) which runs at hundreds of thousands a year. Of course, in making "asylum" an issue, the establishment allows patriotic parties to also tag on to it as it is now a "legitimate concern", hmm... hoist by their own petard. Still, most BNP members and voters are wise to the fact that asylum is a side issue to that of the dispossesion of the British people.
Look at the mill towns of Lancashire and Yorkshire, plenty of racial tension there but I'm sure 99% of immigrants are there legally and are up to the second, third and fourth generations.
OK this has bugger all to do with football, but be thankful that Shrewsbury is free of the problems that other parts of the country suffer/ diversity that they enjoy. And don't be so narrow minded as to think those who disagree with your parroting of fashionable PeeCee shibboleths as "Nazis", "racists", "thugs" etc.
|
|
|
Post by Bilbo on Mar 15, 2004 17:03:13 GMT 1
I have my doubts that you are even a STFC fan. Maybe if you are so proud of your beliefs you could meet us all at the BridgeBuilder in Telford tomorrow and Introduce yourself. But in truth I think you are just some S**Tstirrer coming on here for the wind-up.
|
|