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Post by welshshrew5 on Dec 20, 2004 20:51:04 GMT 1
I personally don't give a toss what league the majority of our players are playing in next year. I don't care if our Directors can 'hold their heads up high'. And much as I have a heck of a lot of respect for him, I don't care if Gary Peters in managing a Football League side next year. What I do care deeply and passionately about though, is that Shrewsbury Town need to be a Football League side next season. And to that end, I will be giving total positive support to the team over the next few games. If that means cheering when we go 3-0 down at Bury, or continuing to support John Grant/Duane Darby when they screw up yet again, then so be it for now. It's going to be tough and will mean trying to go against natural reactions. But will it help Shrewsbury on the pitch? I think it might, and it ain't going to cost me much to have a go.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2004 20:51:19 GMT 1
The individual personal insults that some players faced from their own fans is not right at all.
John Grant came in for some awful abuse from plenty on Saturday. Yes he's a poor footballer but I don't think anyone can deny that he gives 100%.
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Dec 20, 2004 21:07:01 GMT 1
CAMPO You've got it in one my friend ! We've got small town fatalism based on 15 years of continuous going backwards. For all of GPs' fine and moral boosting words we unfortunatly have a group of negative supporters,most of whom stand on the Riverside between the Wakeman End and the halfway line IMO,who just want to slag off and criticise everything that's happening on the pitch
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Post by pawlo on Dec 20, 2004 21:10:45 GMT 1
I dont subscribe to this idea that the crowd can sway a game.
This is the kind of tosh that quinn used to come out with, we lost cos the fans booed us off at half time.
Performances are down to one thing and one thing only. The players.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2004 21:40:26 GMT 1
I dont subscribe to this idea that the crowd can sway a game. This is the kind of tosh that quinn used to come out with, we lost cos the fans booed us off at half time. Performances are down to one thing and one thing only. The players. Here Here. Yes there are a fair few moaners in the Riverside/Wakeman-many of these supporters are how can I put this more 'experienced' supporters (my dad was one) who have supported the club for 10, 20, 30, 40 years+ in the relativly short period of time I have been a town fan I have seen us play in THREE divisions. Think what it must be like for older fans who remember Rowley Dolby, Griffin, Hackett, Broadbent, Atkins, Bates, King, Cross, Turner, Chapman and in the case of my dad some guy called Sammy Crooks . No wonder they moan they have seen legends replaced by Joblings, Peers, Grants etc. Whilst I give my total support (ok,ok I let rip around the 80th min on Sat but hey I had to get up early and was hungover-I HAD THE RIGHT TO BE MAD ) I can certainly understand the frustration and indeed anger of the clubs older supporters.
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Post by tom_leather on Dec 20, 2004 22:17:27 GMT 1
I dont subscribe to this idea that the crowd can sway a game. This is the kind of tosh that quinn used to come out with, we lost cos the fans booed us off at half time. Performances are down to one thing and one thing only. The players. It is the players at the end of the day, but if you were playing, and you knew you weren't playing well ,then the crowd start shouting unnecessary personal crap at you, then in my opinion you aren't likely to want to perform for them. how can 'you're only worth ten grand tolley cos your s**t' or '**** off back to the conference sedgemore' or 'you can't ****ing pass the ball lowe' etc etc be beneficial for the teams performance? if you don't like it, don't go. simpel as that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2004 23:12:07 GMT 1
I dont subscribe to this idea that the crowd can sway a game. This is the kind of tosh that quinn used to come out with, we lost cos the fans booed us off at half time. Performances are down to one thing and one thing only. The players. Nope. Check the home/away wins percentages Pab mate. Its psychological. Players prefer to play at a familiar place where they receive encouragement. Although strangely enough, in the immediate post-war years, when players had no real concept of 'home', the figures for home/away wins were remarkably similar. Am I boring anyone yet?.....
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Post by Wiggynotloggedinyet on Dec 21, 2004 11:42:34 GMT 1
The individual personal insults that some players faced from their own fans is not right at all. John Grant came in for some awful abuse from plenty on Saturday. Yes he's a poor footballer but I don't think anyone can deny that he gives 100%. Agree entirely, Ant. Though a poor footballer shouldn't be playing football- the same, in my line of work, for instance, a poor teacher should be weeded out by inspectors. It's sad, when lads like Grant give it all they've got and still can't hack it- but surely it's a job for the manager- and done as kindly as possible. (Whereas a player who's just lazy and shows no commitment deserves to be booted out without ceremony!!) But the personal abuse doesn't help, and it can only be very bad for the morale of the whole team.
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Post by gra on Dec 21, 2004 13:53:14 GMT 1
paul evans used to get all kinds of abuse from some sections of the crowd, nicky butt at old trafford got abuse, you will always get fans who will shout out stupid comments, 99% of them out of pure frustration, these players are doing something a fan can only dream of, when a pass goes astray, or a shot is missed, you get frustrated and unfortunately you can`t call the person next to you a stupid tw*t, the players are the ones who take the blame, but you cannot condone abuse on a personal level
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Post by stainesr on Dec 21, 2004 15:09:34 GMT 1
I think there ought to be some sort of campaign, either led by the club or this message board to try and stop people abusing our players. Tomleather, I heard the guy you were referring to and what he was saying was totally out of order. A bit of constructive criticism is fine at times but out and out abuse is depressing for all who hear it, including the players. It's totally senseless. The guy was screaming at Tolley for not making enough tackles etc, and getting angry if he misplaced a pass, then the moment he kept possession for more than 10 secs he started screaming that Tolley too long. The lad could not do anything right in the eyes of this fan and he was trying his hardest in a game where he was having a nightmare because he lacked the support of O'Connor, who is more of a ball winning player.
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Post by stainesr on Dec 21, 2004 15:14:11 GMT 1
The other thing to remember is that because of the size of the GM, we are only a few metres away from the players and they can hear everything. Mind you I liked the are you santa in disguise stuff they were saying to the referee's assistant.
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Post by BA 4eva on Dec 21, 2004 15:18:24 GMT 1
I remember Rushden away in 2002. 1,300 Town fans, 50 locked out. The noise was amazing, I have never seen support like it. By half time we were 3-0 down (could have been 10) so getting behind the lads does not always work. The Toon army are amazing aren't they? The last 3 or 4 games they have been booing and jeering long before the end. A decade or so ago they were getting 15,000. Where were the other 37,000 when they were struggling in Div 1? The only time I have experience anything like that this season was the Grimsby game (19th October). We went 1-0 down and for a few seconds the whole ground was silent, and then the Riverside started shouting "Come on Salop" and everyone got behind the team! We drew the game 1-1, but it wasnt enough to save poor old Jimmy!
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Post by townfan63 on Dec 21, 2004 15:31:17 GMT 1
Slagging off the players definitely won't help. Gary Peters has come in and is trying to pull everyone together and the team responded by giving their all and winning the first game against Swansea, unfortunately with the supporters getting on the players backs all of his work gets undone. If I was playing football and had just been gee'd up by the new manager to give my all and for everyone to pull together I'd get p!!55ed off if the crowd started getting on my back again as soon as I made a mistake. Come on lads (and lasses) - for forks sake let's get behind the team and let them concentrate their energies on trying to improve their game and minimise mistakes!! Positive vibes do make all the difference but you can't expect miracles - we aren't going to win every game but if everyone just keeps getting on the player's backs we won't win many at all!!!!
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Post by stainesr on Dec 21, 2004 16:32:10 GMT 1
I stuck some comments on this issue on News of the Shrews. I am updating it again now so thought I'd let you know...
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Dec 21, 2004 18:34:41 GMT 1
About the team at the moment: mattsnapper being as you are Gary Peters' number 1 fan, why have we in our last 2 home games played worse then we did at home under quinn? Oh, please NOOOOOOOO!! We're surely not G.P. bashing already? Most people were pleased when Peters was appointed. "Fortress Meadow" was only really true last season, surely? We had two key players out- Sammy and Mossy. G.P. is NOT, as I understand it, capable of turning water into wine yet!!
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Post by skunkie on Dec 21, 2004 19:51:14 GMT 1
we all have to be honest about what we see, for myself i can see a squad of players struggling to make the grade this year.A team devoid of fresh ideas,the same team that stuggled against the might of Telford and others in the Conference.We see a lack of dedication from the Pros and can see the pitfall of relegation from the stands.as fans it shows the passion that in some ways being positive and negative can motivate different types of people.we must never fear to voice any opinion about the side.What GP says in private must remain his council until he feels confident to tell others.I for one eagerly await the changes in fortune to hold my head up as a Shrewsbury fan and the team owes us that above all.
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